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Post by boraddict on Jan 6, 2020 18:42:11 GMT -6
Thank you for the challenge. Okay, my analysis is the following:
Please notice that in Rev. 15:3 they sing not only the song of Moses but also the song of the Lamb and this song is referenced in Rev. 5:9-13.
Since the song of the Lamb pertains to Jesus being worthy to unseal those sealed portions of the book (see v. 5:9), and those sealed portions are expounded upon in (the following chapter) Chapter 16, then it is reasonable that the song of Moses also has an application to the unsealed events of Chapter 16.
Secondly, since the sea of glass and the defeat of the beast exists in Rev. 15:2, then it is reasonable that the beast has been defeated prior to the sea of glass as referenced in Rev. 4:6. This indicates that the beast has been defeated prior to Chapters 4 and 5 suggesting that the beast was defeated when Christ paid the price at the cross; when he was worthy to open the scroll (see Rev. 5:6).
Third, since Moses led the children of Israel, and Christ paid the price, then these two songs as applied to the unsealed portions of the scroll in Chapter 16 show that the (last days) children of Israel are witness to the events of Chapter 16.
Fourth, since the new song as referenced in Rev. 5:9 links to Rev. 14:3 and these singing the new song are the 144,000, then the 144,00 are present at Rev. 15:2 and participate in the singing of the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb at Rev. 15:3.
Therefore, the song of Moses shows us that the last days children of Israel, Christian and Jew alike, are witness to the unsealed portions of the scroll as referenced in Chapter 16.
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Post by canada on Jan 9, 2020 16:06:43 GMT -6
Why would the victors over the beast, image, mark and number of his name sing the Song of Moses? Rev 15:3
I believe the answer lays in the text of Moses Song itself. Deut 32
It says (in part) ... Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God ... He is the ROCK, His work is perfect for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.
vs 17-18 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
vs 31-34 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges. For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter: their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. (the RC wine of it's "miracle" of transubstantiation) is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
vs 37 And He shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted.
When God destroys Vatican City, then God will say ... where are your gods, your rock in whom you trusted.
Here is wisdom. Let he who hath understanding count the number ... ... Rev 13:18. There is a real biblical peter (and Mary) and there is the blasphemous distortion the Church of Rome has made of them.
Jesus changed Saul's name to Paul ... but Jesus "added" peter to Simon ... why? The meaning of the word added to Simon means pebble or rock and small rocks were used to count or calculate during biblical times.
Each and every pope sits in the "chair of peter" and wears the "ring of peter". The "papal peter" is the living, speaking "image of peter". Peter literally dies, but then becomes "alive" through the papal peters.
Other than Satan himself, who else did Jesus refer to as Satan? To peter, Jesus stated ... get thee behind me Satan. Mathew 16:23.
The language of the Church of Rome is Latin. The original six Latin numbers I V X L C D sum at ... 666. Not a coincidence. There are several interpretations of the 153 fish in John 21:11 but only peter is associated with the ... "counting".
The disciples were instructed to cast their net on the right side and the count was 153.
If you calculate our numbers from 1 to 26 (A - Z) the sum is ... 351 If you cast your eyes from the right side you will perceive ... 153
The following numerical examples using simple English wherein A=1 B=2 C=3 etc results in:
THE IMAGE OF PETER = 153 A NUMBERING SIGN = 153 APPLY WISDOM = 153 THE GREAT WHORE = 153
COUNT THE BEAST = 153 NUMERIC PROOF = 153 LETTER NUMBER = 153 PSALM OF MOSES = 153
The "psalm of Moses" is noted in ... Rev ... 15:3
The Reformers were correct about the popes. The papacy is anti Christ sitting in their "temple" claiming to be as God (vicarious) in the place of Christ and the Church of Rome is the great harlot church described in Revelation.
I expect God to destroy Vatican City in the very near future and the followers of Rome will cry out ... where is our rock in whom we trusted.
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Post by canada on Jan 10, 2020 19:12:41 GMT -6
Correction: "count the number" summing at 153 should have been COUNT THE BEAST = 153 Another numerical example would be ... TO REVEAL SATAN = 153
In a passage following the counting of the 153 fish by peter is the following:
Verily, verily, I say unto thee (peter) When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walked whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be OLD, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and ANOTHER shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. John 21:18.
This spake Jesus, how Peter's death would glorify God. John 21:19
Are you old enough to remember when popes were literally "carried".
There are theologians within the Church of Rome that believe this refers to the Church of Rome in its "old age", and that their church becomes apostate in the last days. They believe these verses are one indication of that. Also, some Roman Catholic (and Protestant) theologians agree that "Babylon" in scripture is a reference to papal Rome.
PS ... Just as Jesus came in the name of his Father, our parents determine our “name”.
In fulfillment of prophecy, upon the election of a pope, he is asked – “what name do you wish to be called?” He chooses, and therefore “comes in his own name”.
Jesus said I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43
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Post by canada on Mar 22, 2020 20:04:09 GMT -6
Neither shall he regard the God of his Fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god for he shall magnify himself above all. He is the living "image of Peter", sitting in the Chair of Peter, sitting in his temple claiming to be as God.
Quotes declaring Pope infallible
“The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as Supreme Pastor and teacher of all the faithful--who confirms his brethren in the faith--he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals....The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, ‘they exercise the supreme Magisterium,’ above all in an Ecumenical Council.
When the Church through its supreme Magistrium proposes a doctrine ‘for belief as being divinely revealed,’ and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions ‘must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.’ This infallibility extends as far as the doposit of divine revelation itself.”
Catechism of the Catholic Church, #891, 1994 edition.
"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth."
Quoted in the New York Catechism.
“The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,” (which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith. No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—“The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.” -Ignaz von Dollinger,
“A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich” 1871; as quoted in MacDougall,
The Acton Newman Relations (Fordham University Press) pp. 119,120.
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Thursday, May 11, 2006
POPE CLAIMS TO BE GOD ON EARTH
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God."
Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope."
On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power."
Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.
"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.
These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."
Father A. Pereira says: "It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title 'Lord God the Pope,' for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII."
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
Pope Nicholas I declared: "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man."
Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.
"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man .... he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', pp.25-29
"The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires... complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself."
Leo VIII, «On the Chief Duties of Christians as Citizens», Encyclical letter, 1890
"God separates those whom the Roman Pontiff, who exercises the functions, not of mere man, but of the true God...dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority."
Decretals of Gregory IX», Book 1, Chapter 7.3
"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum)."
Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)
"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods."
The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36
"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh."
Catholic National July 1895
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty"
Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894
"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth."
Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109
Roman Catholic Canon Law stipulates through Pope Innocent III that the Roman pontiff is
"the vicegerent upon earth, not a mere man, but of a very God;" and in a gloss on the passage it is explained that this is because he is the vicegerent of Christ, who is "very God and very man." Decretales Domini Gregorii translatione Episcoporum, (on the transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Devretales, col. 205
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land... He is the vicegerent (replacement) of Christ, who is not only a Priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords."
La Civilia Cattolica, March 18, 1871, quoted in Leonard Woosely Bacaon, An inside view of the Vatican Council (American Tract Society ed.), p.229
"Christ entrusted His office to the chief pontiff;... but all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Christ;... therefore the chief pontiff, who is His vicar, will have this power."
Corpus Juris chap. 1 column 29, translated from a gloss on the words Porro Subesse Romano Pontiff
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land . . . He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"
La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.
"All the faithful must believe that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff [the Pope] possesses the primacy over the whole world, and the Roman Pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and is true vicar of Christ, and heed of the whole church, and father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter to rule, feed, and govern the universal Church by Jesus Christ our Lord."
First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ, "Eternal Pastor," published in the fourth session of the Vatican Council, 1870, chap. 3, in Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom. vol. 2, p. 262.
“The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,” (which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith. No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—“The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.”
Ignaz von Dollinger, “A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich” 1871; as quoted in MacDougall,
"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth."
(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958).
"This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate."
(Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, page 653).
"Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).
"We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world."
A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, "The Most Holy Councils," col. 1167.
"But as for you and your companions, you certainly sin, if, having heard the decrees of the Apostolic See, and of the universal Church, and the same is confirmed by Holy Writ, you refuse to follow them; for, though your fathers were holy, do you think that their small number, in a corner of the remotest island, is to be preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout the world? And if that Columba of yours (and, I may say, ours also, if he was Christ's servant), was a holy man and powerful in miracles, yet could he be preferred before the most blessed prince of the Apostles to whom Our Lord said 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and to thee I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven'?" When Wilfrid had spoken thus, the king said, "Is it true Colman, that these words were spoken to Peter by Our Lord?" He answered, "It is true, O king!" Then says he, "Can you show any such power given to your Columba?" Colman answered, "None." Then added the king, "Do you both agree that these words were principally directed to Peter, and that the keys of heaven were given to him by Our Lord?" They both answered. "We do." Then the king concluded, "And I also say unto you, that he is the door-keeper, whom I will not contradict, but will, as far as I know and am able, in all things obey his decrees, lest, when I come to the gates of the kingdom of heaven, there should be none to open them, he being my adversary who is proved to have the keys."
(St. Bede, Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation, quoted in Readings from Church History, Volume I, edited by Fr. Colman Barry, O.S.B., The Newman Press, Westminster, MD, 1966, p. 273.)
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THE POPE CLAIMS TO BE CHRIST ON EARTH
"In founders and foundresses [of the consecrated orders of nuns and priests, etc.] we see a constant and lively sense of the Church, which they manifest by their full participation in all aspects of the Church's life, and in their ready obedience to the bishops and especially to the Roman Pontiff. Against this background of love towards Holy Church, 'the pillar and bulwark of the truth' (1 Timothy 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for 'THE LORD POPE', the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called 'SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH', the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola, and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: 'I am a daughter of the Church'. We can also understand the deep desire of Saint Theresa of the Child Jesus: 'In the heart of the Church, my mother, I will be love'. These testimonies are representative of the full ecclesial communion which the Saints, founders and foundresses, have shared in diverse and often difficult times and circumstances. They are examples which consecrated persons need constantly to recall if they are to resist the particularly strong centrifugal and disruptive forces at work today. A distinctive aspect of ecclesial communion is allegiance of mind and heart to the magisterium of the bishops, an allegiance which must be lived honestly and clearly testified to before the People of God by all consecrated persons, especially those involved in theological research, teaching, publishing, catechesis and the use of the means of social communication. Because consecrated persons have a special place in the church, their attitude in this regard is of immense importance for the whole people of God" (Pope John Paul II, "Apostolic Exhortation on the Consecrated Life and Its Mission in the Church and in the World," to the bishops and clergy, religious orders and congregations, societies of apostolic life, secular institutes, and all the faithful, given in Rome, at Saint Peter's, March 25, 1996)
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Friday, April 14, 2006
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Post by mike on Jun 22, 2020 7:35:23 GMT -6
A New Testament quiz ... Matthew 23:9 KJV:
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
This is not rocket science folks. I'm not sure what the purpose of your post was Canada...is it in reference to Fathers Day? If not please help explain further so as I can understand your purpose. If it is in reference to Fathers Day, please consider the entirety of the passage and the context which Jesus was speaking as well as who the audience was Matt 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.Jesus is speaking to his followers and a host of people who may be followers and others may be 'curious'. Regardless of this He is making statements about who we revere, who we follow, who we respect and give honor and eminence in our lives. We should not confuse this verse with others which could seemingly conflict with this. for when we have conflict in scripture it is our understanding that is not accurate and further study is required to understand the Word in more depth. Please do not misunderstand my response. None of us, not a single one is complete in our understanding of the full Word of God. We are all in different places in our walks. In this case I am seeing that the verse youve quoted contradicts with other such as Ex 20:12, Mark 7:10, Matt 19:19, Eph 6:2 among others. I see this we are to honor and respect those who impart into our lives as an example of how to live after the command of the Lord. What really helps me see this contradiction further, requiring resolution would be what Paul says here:1 Cor 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
I believe that this brings clarity and completeness to what the Lord said. The multitude may have understood this (Matt 23:9), likely the disciples did however for our benefit - those not there to hear this or understanding the culture back in those days have the completeness of the Word to best understand the message. Paul here tells us to follow the example, his example. Paul would tell us "Do as I do" the pharisees would say "Do as I say, not as I do" - Jesus was warning against this. |
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Post by canada on Oct 21, 2020 16:26:44 GMT -6
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. Rev 13:12. KJV
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. Rev. 13:13
Are you a futurist and literally watching for this fire or, are you an historicist who did observe this event?
According to the Church Of Rome, Peter is their rock and first pope upon whom they built their "church".
When Peter literally died, they perform a "mighty miracle" by healing his deadly wound by creating an "image of Peter" in the form of their successive popes ... their "papal peters", sitting in the chair of Peter and wearing the ring of Peter.
And how does the pope cause fire to come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men?
Note that the fire does not come down from heaven above, but rather from "heaven on the earth".
To the devout Roman Catholic, Vatican City is their "heaven on the earth", with it's huge bronze statue of "Peter", bowed down to and kissed by so many devotees that it's toe is near worn off.
According to their teaching, the unusual papal "mitre" with it's two "tongues" represent the tongues of fire that came upon those on the day of Pentecost. And that is how he causes fire to come down from heaven on the earth ... "in the sight of men".
I too was a futurist for my first ten years of research into Revelation, but became an historicist ... not because they have all the answers, but I believe they are closer to the truth than the other systems of interpretation.
Perhaps this will become more clear when God finally destroys Vatican City ... Mystery, Babylon. Rev. 17 & 18.
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Post by canada on Nov 20, 2020 13:13:27 GMT -6
If it were possible even the very elect would be deceived.
Are you aware of the meaning of the word "Christmas"? According to the Catholic Encyclopedia it means the "mass" of Christ ... the death of Christ. When one says "merry Christmas" they, unknowingly are saying "merry death of Christ".
Origin of the word
The word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131. In Dutch it is Kerstmis, in Latin Dies Natalis, whence comes the French Noël, and Italian Il natale; in German Weihnachtsfest, from the preceeding sacred vigil. The term Yule is of disputed origin. It is unconnected with any word meaning "wheel". The name in Anglo-Saxon was geol, feast: geola, the name of a month (cf. Icelandic iol a feast in December).
Early celebration
Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church. Irenaeus and Tertullian omit it from their lists of feasts; Origen, glancing perhaps at the discreditable imperial Natalitia, asserts (in Lev. Hom. viii in Migne, P.G., XII, 495) that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday; Arnobius (VII, 32 in P.L., V, 1264) can still ridicule the "birthdays
I was among the deceived, but when I learned the meaning of this phrase I ceased using it.
This is another spin ... another con job by the Church Of Rome upon believing Protestants.
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