Genesis 2:15-20 describes how God placed Adam in the garden to take care of it, told him which tree not to eat from, created the beasts, Adam named them, then God created Eve because none of other other creatures were a suitable mate. So, in a way you are correct, but it all took place on day six.
I think that Genesis 1:1-2:3 is the story of how God created all things, each day exactly as it says. Genesis 2:7-25 is the details of day six.
Perhaps God told Adam about the trees, and then Adam told Eve. That seems reasonable that Adam functioned as a prophet to Eve; and that God did not specifically instruct Eve but through Adam. You know, like God talked to Moses and then Moses talked to the people.
BORA - It does seem fairly clear that God spoke directly to Adam, Eve perhaps even Cain and others. Speculating (which is what we do a lot of here) is okay, just do not go down the rabbit hole to far Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Secondly, perhaps Adam was not a witness to the creation of the animals but then named them afterwards.
Birds and fish were on day 5, land animals day 6 with man after the land animals. Gen 1:20-26
Oh, and another thing. If Job lived after the flood and he was referencing the dinosaurs, then where exactly were the pairs of dinosaurs placed on the Ark? Two T-Rex on the Ark, I don't think so.
Noah was on the ark for about a year. As reepicheep states (a tad incorrectly) they couldve brought eggs on board the ark, however that is slightly inconsistent with Gen 7:9 but I wouldnt be dogmatic about all the animals going into the ark as I would have to ignore Gen 7:1-5 where the instructions are given and verse 5 states Noah carried out the command of the Lord. Reptiles lay eggs and take anywhere from 1-4 years to reproduce. It is not a stretch to think that if not eggs were brought on the ark, the animals were juvenile just prior to reproductive age and upon exit of the ark they became reproductively active. The pictures in childrens books of Noahs ark are cartoon like and should be treated as such. Full grown elephants, hippos etc. were highly unlikely on board the ark
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Let me give you an entirely different perspective on this. This is the short version.
Read what is written in Revelation 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
So Death and Hades (Hell) give up their dead, then it is Death and Hades that are cast into the Lake of Fire. Is the Lake of Fire a term for Hell? Can Hell be cast into itself?
Annihilationism essentially 'eternal death', which contradicts 1 Corinthians 15:26.
What is the "Lake of Fire" then? If you look at the historical understanding of that phrase, it's something that Dante (where we get much of our theology of Hell) got wrong. The term was used by ancient writers to describe an actual physical place that at the time had a lot of seismic activity. It has calmed down so much that we today call it the Dead Sea. Back in the 1st Century and earlier, it was a place of fire where people who wanted to cast away things forever so they no longer had any influence in the world - idols and useless things.
Also, the word "torment" is the Greek word for a touchstone that was used to test gold and precious metals. It's not torment as medieval fiction writers envisioned it, where the God of love actively subjects people to the worst physical pain imaginable for eternity with no hope of forgiveness (contrary to Matthew 18:21-22). BTW Read Revelation 14:10 - people will be "touchstoned" in the presence of Jesus and His angels. It's a test of genuineness and "the inner conviction one feels when they are presented with something contrary to their nature". "Fire" is used in the Bible as a picture of judgement and conviction. Like when we say someone was "burned" in a mocking way.
So God does not actively subject people to eternal conscious torment. What essentially will happen is that unbelievers will become aware of the full presence of God and have internal conviction about how short they come to His glory, because they don't have the covering of faith in Jesus. They may also dwell in eternity somewhere outside of the presence of God.
This is the summarized version, a more detailed analysis of this perspective was written here.
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Also, the Greek and Hebrew words for "angel" simply mean "messenger". They're not words that carry ontological meaning. It can refer to both human and spirit messengers, or possibly even radio/satellite broadcasts in Revelation 14:6.
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Thanks for sharing that perspective and article on the topic socalexile. I have been leaning that way for a while now but this helps even more. For me the difficulty was reconciling things like Rev 22:11, 14-15
Boymaker2: I have been waiting for UFO proof. I think thus is there pretense for our vanishing.
Feb 24, 2021 11:07:19 GMT -6
mike: Boymaker - I recall you see the rapture as pre-Trib (IIRC-could be wrong tho). UFO would only make sense in that context. What if rapture is late Trib, or pre-Wrath? Just curious
Feb 24, 2021 11:21:37 GMT -6
yardstick: corrected, boymaker
Feb 24, 2021 12:17:42 GMT -6
bernie: mike/yardstick: I've always been taught and believed we vanish at the Rapture. Somewhere recently I read, our clothing remains, and somewhere else, our dead bodies remain. I looked in the "Rapture" section on the board but didn't see anything?
Feb 24, 2021 13:18:08 GMT -6
Boymaker2: Mike, I don't have a plan B, LOL! I am just going with the flow. Having been raised in New Age, I just expect that "ascended masters" will play a part in the great delusion. We've been primed for this for generations.
Feb 24, 2021 14:01:26 GMT -6
EnochWalked: If the Rapture occurs after the start of Tribulation, I imagine there will be so much general chaos and/or media control by the AC that many wouldn't notice that the Christians are missing. Especially if there's a lockdown, or Christianity is illegal.
Feb 24, 2021 15:54:40 GMT -6
yardstick: @ew: I expect the chaos to be present and we get yanked out of it. Meanwhile everyone else is yelling "peace!"; "safety!"; and clamoring for someone to give them a fix to the problem. Hence, why I believe covid is a practice run.
Feb 24, 2021 18:13:13 GMT -6
EnochWalked: YS: That makes a lot of sense, thank you. I imagine that the AC does give a sort of illusory "peace and safety" at least briefly, and maybe that hubris allows him to declare himself a god and be accepted as such by many.
Feb 24, 2021 18:51:43 GMT -6