Psalm 83 War thread

May 8, 2018 19:52:19 GMT -6 yardstick said:

Oct 26, 2017 8:20:09 GMT -6 yardstick said:

Ask 'how far along' are the developments for these counties, in terms of teaming up to attack Israel:

Edom, Moab, Ammon, Amalek, Hagrites - Jordan
Ishmaelites - Saudi Arabia or Jordan
Philistia - Gaza Strip
Byblos, Tyre - Lebanon
Assyria - Turkey

Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/756/israel-watch#ixzz4wciqbBzi

The only guys I do not see news articles on about actively plotting against Israel, is Turkey.

have a look at Psalm 83

biblehub.com/niv/psalms/83.htm

It looks also like Assyria appears to be 'late to the party' - last to join up.

So we should probably be watching for an end to the shenanigans in Turkey, prior to Turkey joining the coalition.

With pres. trump extracting the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal, I felt prompted to review my hypothesis about the Psalm 83 war and the Isaiah 17 destruction of Damascus. I went back to the map links in one of my other posts, to review the geographic identities of the above 'players' and I realized something:

I can't read a map.

The Assyrian empire shown on the map below is only part of the story. That part of the story shows that at that time, the Assyrian empire was modern day northern Iraq

Assyria 1450 BC

Modern Map of Middle East - look at northern Iraq

Later on, the Assyrian empire expanded. It is currently referred to as the 'Middle Assyrian Empire". Check out this map and compare.
1392-954 BC

Finally, the "Neo-Assyrian empire" territory as shown on the map below clearly indicates the subjugation of the 10 northern tribes and the independence of the last two tribes, prior to their conquest by Babylon. The time period is given as
911 BC–609 BC

Psalm 83 appears to have been written by "Asaph" who, according to the articles below, served in the temple as a levite during the reign of King David and King Solomon. That means that Psalm 83 had to have been written between 1010 and 931 BC (~70 years, huh)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_83

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalms_of_Asaph

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David and per biblehub.com/1_kings/2-11.htm  (c. 1010 - 970 BCE)
 11The days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years he reigned in Hebron and thirty-three years he reigned in Jerusalem.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon  (c. 970–931 BCE)

The commentary of the Psa 83/Asaph wikipedia articles seem to indicate that Asaph was afraid of being conquered by the Assyrians. However, it does not look like the peoples of the surrounding countryside were 'conspiring' against Israel when they were probably more concerned with saving their own skins from the Assyrians.

If Asaph wrote Psalm 83 between 1010 and 931 BC; he would have identified Assyria based upon what Assyria's dominion was during that time. We need a map of that time period.

Topographical map (note where the two small lakes are, then compare to other maps as reference points)

824 BC map

967-934 BC map
(read the section called "Bronze Age Collapse" with an eye for the timeline - specifically commentary on Tiglath Pileser II - Israel was in no danger of imminent invasion or conquest during this period).

Tiglath Pileser's son, Ashur-dan II reigned between 934-912 BC. According to the article, he was the king responsible for beginning the re-expansion of the Assyrian empire, prior to the Medo-Persian conquest of Assyria. Check out this map to see the timeline of conquests, and the territory controlled by Assyria after the time Asaph wrote Psalms 83.

What does it all mean?

The maps above show the expansion and contraction of the Assyrian empire during the time when Asaph could have written Psalm 83. In my initial analysis, I had hypothesized that Assyria was Turkey.  I now believe (looking at the historic timeline of when Asaph could have written Psalm 83) that more than likely the Assyrian Empire was not Turkey. It was northwestern IRAN west to eastern SYRIA. So, I am updating my hypothesis to:

Edom, Moab, Ammon, Amalek, Hagrites - Jordan
Ishmaelites - Saudi Arabia or Jordan
Philistia - Gaza Strip
Byblos, Tyre - Lebanon
Assyria - Iran and/or Syria

There is also, IMHO, a possibility that Assyria could be classified as northern Iraq. So watch for an invasion of northern Iraq by either Turkey, or Iran, or someone else. Did anyone notice where Mosul is? I've heard Mosul is modern day Nineveh.

EDIT:  It may have been Kabul, I forget.

Here are a couple pictures. I do not know the actual size...was it a city or a province...

www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/1/14/Iraq_sm_2007.jpg/300px-Iraq_sm_2007.jpg

2.bp.blogspot.com/-eTOJ8Y7QYVg/U6qh3S7nr2I/AAAAAAAABko/NtV24HjJnRs/s1600/Nineveh.jpg

May 10, 2018 15:16:37 GMT -6 fitz said:

May 10, 2018 12:57:17 GMT -6 disciple4life said:

I don't know if I'm the only one on this site who doesn't think Syria and Iran, will simply ignore this massive, unprecedented counter-attack?? It seems now that they have been publicly humiliated, stripped naked and had their beards shaved off, and made a world-wide laughing stock.
It's very very interesting, - the article in Washington Post, said that Israel's counter-attack was massive and unprecedented. Amir Tsarfati said the same - "Don't think that anyone can attack Israel and expect a 'proportionate' counter attack."
One IDF General/ commander said "You give us rain, and you'll get a Flood.

The article said that Israel launched 70 separate attacks. Hehehe. I'm sure this was intentionally corresponding to their 70th B-day. Syria/ Iran should be glad that they are not celebrating their 300th anniversary.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-launches-massive-military-strike-against-iranian-targets-in-syria/ar-AAx31tl?ocid=ientp

In other news, a Chihuahua dressed in a tutu attacked a Grisly Bear, and said "Hold my beer and watch this."

It's sure heating up.
Man, oh man, it seems like labor pains.
J D Farag said that the thing about labor pains - they increase in frequency and intensity -- That's what we are seeing now.

I just don't see any scenario where Russia, Turkey, Iran or Syria says - "OK, guys, let's all just put our sabers away, and go back to soccer. We'll just ignore this one, huge counter attack, but don't do it again.

D4L...It's so interesting you say that! Talking to my dad last night about these things...Amir is convinced that the Psalm 83 war was fulfilled in 1948. This is the only point I disagree with him on. I think it's being fulfilled today...started last night, perhaps. But, if Israel mops up Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc. in short order...maybe, just maybe Putin starts to pull out and go home. Especially if Israel cripples or kills Assad.

And IF he does that, watch for the hook in his jaw to be set, turning him around to come back for the Gog-Magog event. I think Putin or Erdogan is Gog. We shall see...or, maybe we will be watching from a different location by then.

Thanks fitz !!   That's very interesting about Amir, if he does indeed believe that.  He did a fantastic, stellar teaching on Gog of Magog - the best I've ever hear or read, and it clear's up so so many things.   In his view, and I'd agree Gog of Magog passages have dual fulfillment. Both passages are very very different, and describe different events.  One at the start of the tribulation, or close.  Maybe just shortly after the rapture.     

- the second passage is about the end of the tribulation and the picture described and the events are totally different.   It's well worth your time. 

Also Steve Ciocolanti did a very compelling, but short video teaching on "Why Gog of Magog is Turkey, NOT Russia.   I'm with you, fitz, I definitely think it's an alliance and Russia is part, but the key descriptions - Gomer, Beth Togarma, are clearly in Turkey, and the seven churches of Revelation were all in Turkey.   Hmmmm.  Now we have the prophecy fulfilled in December - right before our eyes - of the never-before alliance of Russia, Turkey and Iran.    All the players are in place.  

I sure don't see how this latest attack and massive counter-attack/ retaliation will just fade away - die down, or that things just go back to status quo.   

I know nothing will delay or speed up God's perfect timing and he is sovereign - but I'm so so hoping for a Pentecost harpazo.   

As the Otter I am, who leans strongly to the Feasts all connected to the Rapture/ 2nd coming, I sure don't see how we can wait until Yom Teruah/  Feast of Trumpets. 

The only thing more annoying/ disturbing than people who talk about [so-called] Palestinians (Jordanians & Arabs) is that people seem to think that in any other scenario in any other country, Mexico, Poland, Germany, Spain, Holland, Norway, etc, that if 35,000 people all stormed the border throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails/ fire bombs, that the country being attacked would not/ should not retaliate ?? ?

They have a whole country already, - it's called Jordan.
At this point 37 [Monday alone, 52] Arab/ Jordanian protesters have been killed, and according to article more than 1200 injured.     Whaaaaaaat?? Are they counting getting a whiff of tear gas??   1200 people who would not have injured if they had not stormed the border, or thrown rocks and Molotov cocktails.     

This doesn't even pass the laugh test. www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/14/palestinian-protesters-killed-ahead-us-embassy-opening-in-jerusalem.html

*** I felt I should edit (clarify the comment)   I do not mean to imply in any way, to mock, or make fun of any deaths.  This is horrific.   This senseless violence and loss of life is actually made worse by the fact that the people are being used as pawns by Hamas - a world-recognized terrorist group.  

The death toll for Monday was 52.  These were not 'so-called Palestinians or Hobbits, or Elves - they were arabs - 95% are Jordanian Arabs, and Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and other places. 

This is a recent quote from a well-known and respected end-times teacher.  His quote was public on social media, but i don't have permission to quote him.  

            The "People of Palestine" fallacy is the largest propaganda bonanza on the earth today, perhaps only recently eclipsed by climate change being a result of human behavior. 
            The majority of the Arabs in Israel are from surrounding Arab nations who migrated there when the entrepreneurial Jews started to make a success of the land, mostly from the Kibbutz that were large plots of land purchased from the financially bankrupt Ottoman Empire before WW1. Suddenly there was work to be found when the Jews emptied out large areas of boggy marsh pits and swamp land that nobody wanted, which became rich in soil and incredibly fertile. The Jews began to make the desert bloom and Tel Aviv was nothing but sand dunes. The Arabs flocked there for work and opportunity. When Israel declared independence these same Arab nations expelled the Jews out and stole their land/possessions in those countries."

The very term "Palestinian" was admittedly created by Arafat as propaganda to create a false victim.  Every time people use it, they are spreading anti-semitic propaganda.   I realize that many people are just simply not informed.  

This is relevant to the thread because they pose a very real threat to Israel and the Jewish people.  They are not interested in peace or a two-state solution. They only want the total destruction of Israel. 

May 17, 2018 6:59:59 GMT -6 venge said:

I am not on the ground and I would assume none of you are either. Media reports are not always accurate and there is biased from both sides. I only ask those questions because we are talking justification for death. Not prison, or jail, or other punishment. To assume every single attack is one to be met by force...circumstance needs to be looked at. Defense is one thing. I’m not arguing against Israel’s to defend herself....I am saying they need to act with tact and with as much restraint as possible. Surely, if people have guns on you, defend yourself as ye are justified in use of arms. Stones, defend yourself but don’t kill.

I agree venge that there CAN be some bias on both sides of the Media. However, my brother, we have to be honest and look at facts.

Hamas is a known, world-recognized terrorist, who calls for the total destruction of Israel. They called for people to come to the border with the clear intent of not only violence, but breaking through the border and killing Israelis.

The entire concept of so-called "Palestinians" is admitted propaganda, a term literally made up of whole cloth by Arafat to advance the anti-Semitic agenda and create a false victim.  Many people use the term due to total ignorance - but once you know the facts, to keep using a false, anti-Semitic term perpetuates the propaganda.

They issued multiple warnings to the people in Gaza, not to storm the border, and that if they did, there would be consequences.

Hamas is using women and children as shields, and furthermore, instead of using money for infrastructure, hospitals and schools, they are using the money for bombs and terror tunnels.

What we know is that while no-news agency is perfect, the major Alphabet News / Mainstream News are extremely leftist and anti-Semitic, and regularly and knowingly omits facts and distorts the truth.

Amir Tsarfati is a solid born again believer, and a widely-respected teacher on End times, who lives there, knows the culture and the language, and was a colonel in the Israeli Air Force, and the former Lieutenant Gov of Jericho.  

-  He's not simply some pastor on the ground, he's a native born Israeli, and he has very solid, high level connections who are confirming all this - what we already know about the Jordanian Arabs and other groups that are the paws on Hamas - the so-called Palestinians.  They are not interested in protests, or peace, or land.  Their only goal is the total annihilation of Israel.