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Post by uscgvet on Sept 29, 2019 19:14:43 GMT -6
I was having a discussion with my mother about John 15:15.
She stated that with this verse, we, gentile believers, are friends of God. I said that Jesus said that to the apostles directly, in the flesh, just like the Lord said the same thing to Abraham directly.
I'm about to give her this question and wanted to hear you guy's thoughts first:
What did Jesus show John in Revelation 10:4?
John knows what happened... I don't.
How could John 15:15 apply to me when I don't know what God revealed to Jesus who then revealed to John in Rev 10:4...?
Edit:
Let's add Rev 1:1 for context
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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Post by breathoflife on Sept 30, 2019 5:44:17 GMT -6
It’s a whole new ball game and having gone through so far are pretty intense. Now you are not merely servants who must serve I have made you sons with all the demands that positon of son calls to us. The Lord always calls His people to count the cost of following Him, everything and all of us. God bless
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Post by venge on Sept 30, 2019 7:15:21 GMT -6
I was having a discussion with my mother about John 15:15. She stated that with this verse, we, gentile believers, are friends of God. I said that Jesus said that to the apostles directly, in the flesh, just like the Lord said the same thing to Abraham directly. I'm about to give her this question and wanted to hear you guy's thoughts first: What did Jesus show John in Revelation 10:4? John knows what happened... I don't. How could John 15:15 apply to me when I don't know what God revealed to Jesus who then revealed to John in Rev 10:4...? Edit: Let's add Rev 1:1 for context The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: I agree with your mother. Though Christ spoke to the apostles, the message clearly speaks to anyone who does his commandments per verse 14. If we are the sons of God, and we reign with Christ..wouldn’t we be his friends for servants don’t reign with their Lord. |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 30, 2019 9:07:23 GMT -6
I was having a discussion with my mother about John 15:15. She stated that with this verse, we, gentile believers, are friends of God. I said that Jesus said that to the apostles directly, in the flesh, just like the Lord said the same thing to Abraham directly. I'm about to give her this question and wanted to hear you guy's thoughts first: What did Jesus show John in Revelation 10:4? John knows what happened... I don't. How could John 15:15 apply to me when I don't know what God revealed to Jesus who then revealed to John in Rev 10:4...? Edit: Let's add Rev 1:1 for context The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: uscgvet, you have answered your own question. Since you do not know what the Lord is doing then you are not a friend but a servant, and the Book of Revelation is shown to you; a servant. Shown to you that you might be more than a servant; a friend. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (The Father) gave unto him (Lord Jesus), to show unto his servants (the angel, John, and you and I) things which must shortly come to pass; and he (Lord Jesus) sent and signified it (the revelation from God the Father) by his (Lord Jesus') angel (the one with the loud voice throughout the book) unto his servant John (whom wrote the revelation for us to read). Thus, we are all servants with respect to the events of the Book of Revelation. That is, until we understand the work and then we are his friend. So it seems that a friend is an individual that knows what God is doing and a servant is in the dark but serves more from the point of faith. The friend designation shows a knowledge of the events and does not act out of faith but knowledge. Since no one knows when Christ will return then we are all servants in this regard. So at times we participate as a friend and at other times we participate as a servant. However, if Christ states that he does not know us then that is bad news. Being a servant is a very good thing and being a friend to Christ with respect to some things is even better. But I doubt that anyone meets the designation of "friend" to Christ in all things. |
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Post by Natalie on Sept 30, 2019 9:20:45 GMT -6
For some reason only John was shown certain things. None of the other disciples were shown any of the visions John saw, yet they were still His friends.
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Post by stormyknight on Sept 30, 2019 9:23:43 GMT -6
I was having a discussion with my mother about John 15:15. She stated that with this verse, we, gentile believers, are friends of God. I said that Jesus said that to the apostles directly, in the flesh, just like the Lord said the same thing to Abraham directly. I'm about to give her this question and wanted to hear you guy's thoughts first: What did Jesus show John in Revelation 10:4? John knows what happened... I don't. How could John 15:15 apply to me when I don't know what God revealed to Jesus who then revealed to John in Rev 10:4...?Edit: Let's add Rev 1:1 for context The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: uscgvet, you have answered your own question. Since you do not know what the Lord is doing then you are not a friend but a servant, and the Book of Revelation is shown to you; a servant. Shown to you that you might be more than a servant; a friend. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (The Father) gave unto him (Lord Jesus), to show unto his servants (the angel, John, and you and I) things which must shortly come to pass; and he (Lord Jesus) sent and signified it (the revelation from God the Father) by his (Lord Jesus') angel (the one with the loud voice throughout the book) unto his servant John (whom wrote the revelation for us to read). Thus, we are all servants with respect to the events of the Book of Revelation. That is, until we understand the work and then we are his friend. So it seems that a friend is an individual that knows what God is doing and a servant is in the dark but serves more from the point of faith. The friend designation shows a knowledge of the events and does not act out of faith but knowledge. Since no one knows when Christ will return then we are all servants in this regard. So at times we participate as a friend and at other times we participate as a servant. If I may add: Jesus said in verse 14 of John 15 that "You are my friends if you do what I command you." What did he command? verse 12, "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you." It's as simple as that. |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 30, 2019 9:27:09 GMT -6
With regard to the gospel of salvation we are Christ's friends; however, with regard to the time of his return we are his servants. It seems that the friend designation applies to us in some things but not all things.
Likewise, in our relationship we are friends. But, if you gave me a task that I did not understand then I would be your servant.
Notice that John in Revelation 1:1 is not a friend but a servant.
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 30, 2019 9:34:07 GMT -6
All excellent points everyone.
Thank you.
That's what I needed.
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Post by breathoflife on Sept 30, 2019 14:05:08 GMT -6
uscgvet, you have answered your own question. Since you do not know what the Lord is doing then you are not a friend but a servant, and the Book of Revelation is shown to you; a servant. Shown to you that you might be more than a servant; a friend. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (The Father) gave unto him (Lord Jesus), to show unto his servants (the angel, John, and you and I) things which must shortly come to pass; and he (Lord Jesus) sent and signified it (the revelation from God the Father) by his (Lord Jesus') angel (the one with the loud voice throughout the book) unto his servant John (whom wrote the revelation for us to read). Thus, we are all servants with respect to the events of the Book of Revelation. That is, until we understand the work and then we are his friend. So it seems that a friend is an individual that knows what God is doing and a servant is in the dark but serves more from the point of faith. The friend designation shows a knowledge of the events and does not act out of faith but knowledge. Since no one knows when Christ will return then we are all servants in this regard. So at times we participate as a friend and at other times we participate as a servant. If I may add: Jesus said in verse 14 of John 15 that "You are my friends if you do what I command you." What did he command? verse 12, "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you." It's as simple as that. I think John was the disciple Jesus loved. When they did the Passover John lay with His head on the Lord's chest. Not to change the subject but I have always been fascinated that when the Lord spoke about all power having been given to Him do you know what He did? He washed His disciples feet. What an amazing God we serve |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 30, 2019 15:34:00 GMT -6
If I may add: Jesus said in verse 14 of John 15 that "You are my friends if you do what I command you." What did he command? verse 12, "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you." It's as simple as that. I think John was the disciple Jesus loved. When they did the Passover John lay with His head on the Lord's chest. Not to change the subject but I have always been fascinated that when the Lord spoke about all power having been given to Him do you know what He did? He washed His disciples feet. What an amazing God we serve Somewhere along the way I have learned that the "washing of feet" was an ordinance given by the Savior to his apostles that they were to walk his walk in his absence. It was like a sealing ordinance that the apostles were one with the Savior; to save souls. From that it seems reasonable that the 144,000 will participate in a similar ordinance. I am back-and-forth with regard to the 144,000 being a literal number or not; however, they will participate to save souls like the apostles of old. Since they will walk the Savior's walk, then they should be sealed to him via the "washing of feet" ordinance. As Rev. 7 points out, the 144,000 are sealed (to the Savior) via the angel. Thus, it must be the case that that ordinance of "washing of feet" is a delegated responsibility from the Savior to his apostles and then to the 144,000. Thus, the 12 apostles would be responsible for sealing 12,000 of each tribe; that is, one apostle would seal 12,000. Therefore, each of the apostles leads one of the 12 tribes of Israel. It is interesting that proxy work is credible to the Lord. You know, like the servants and friends of the Savior can speak on his behalf. Likewise, the ordinance of washing of feet that the Savior did to the 12 apostles can then be done by the 12 to others and it is just as if the Savior himself has done it. To support my theory above, then Rev. 12:1 in which the moon is at the woman's feet means that the woman has the ordinance of the washing of feet. That is, she has the apostles with her and not only that but here in the latter days the 144,000 as well. Also notice that she is clothed with the sun (Son) and last of all has the twelve stars that are her crowning achievement to salvation; the twelve tribes of Israel. Okay, it is just my idea pertaining to the washing of feet that somewhere along the way I rearanged to my personal theory; however, the Savior was doing much more than washing the dust from their feet. He was giving them a mission to serve others; an ordinance, a sealing to his cause. |
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Post by kjs on Sept 30, 2019 19:57:23 GMT -6
I was having a discussion with my mother about John 15:15. She stated that with this verse, we, gentile believers, are friends of God. I said that Jesus said that to the apostles directly, in the flesh, just like the Lord said the same thing to Abraham directly. I'm about to give her this question and wanted to hear you guy's thoughts first: What did Jesus show John in Revelation 10:4? John knows what happened... I don't. How could John 15:15 apply to me when I don't know what God revealed to Jesus who then revealed to John in Rev 10:4...? Edit: Let's add Rev 1:1 for context The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: As an FYI (that you may or may not know about)...
The entire denomination official known as the Society of Friends -- but in today's society -- simply "Friends" -- also known as the the Quakers (actually an offshoot of the Quakers).... There are multiple universities and seminaries operated by the Friends .... (one of them being my alma mater-- Friends University in Wichita, KS)
Any rate -- as your mother stated -- yes their are a large group of People who believe the Body of Christ (or the gentile believers) are Friends of Jesus.....
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 9, 2019 19:09:51 GMT -6
Whoa!,
I was listening to Dr. Chuck Missler on his study of Daniel and he chimes in on this very topic... LOL
Thank you Holy Spirit for leading me to study Daniel... Getting to hear thoughts from one of your good and faithful servants.
I start it at 2h 33m 3s and just listen for 2-3 minutes to get Dr. Missler's thoughts.
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