Post by boraddict on Sept 15, 2019 18:48:30 GMT -6
Where is that man of sin thread?
Anyway, I was thinking about how the Savior took the sins of the world upon himself and my conclusion is a follows:
1) When and where did that occur?
a) in Gethsemane?
or
b) on the cross?
I would say that he suffered in Gethsemane for the sins of the world and then was led to the slaughter as the sacrificial Lamb. THEN, while on the cross he took the sins of the world upon himself and became the Man of Sin. Consequently, since God the Father can not dwell where sin exists then he withdrew from Christ. All the sins of the world were upon the Savior as follows:
i) He was guilty and loathsome as a perpetrator.
ii) He was despised and hated by the victims.
In other words, he was everything and every sin that has ever been committed upon the earth. The weight of the guilt and hate must have been crushing as he hung on the cross; ALONE. HOWEVER, since he was a pure and perfect man he could shed those sins by giving up his sin laden body. How amazing such a thing could be accomplished as he said "Father into thy hands I comment my spirit" (KJV Luke 23:46), and like that, it was done. A perfect payment for all the sins of every person that was or ever would be upon the earth. He in that one act was free from his sin laden body and he was with God the Father.
2) Could he have taken the sins of the world upon himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?
No. Because, if he was sin laden prior to the cross then he would be a blemished Lamb. Therefore, he was not sin laden while led to the slaughter but afterwards; while on the cross.
3) What did happen in Gethsemane?
Lord Jesus experienced every kind of sin from the point of view of every kind of person. He suffered the guilt and the pain. He suffered every possible thing that was sin and in that suffering remained true to the Father.
4) What was the suffering during the period between Gethsemane and the cross?
This suffering was the event of being led to the slaughter. Consequently, there were three events as follows:
a) The suffering for sin in Gethsemane.
b) The suffering as the sacrafical Lamb led to the slaughter.
c) The slaughter of the Lamb on the cross. It was here that he took upon himself the sins of the world and God the Father withdrew from him because he was now a pure but sinful man.
5) The slaughter of the Lamb.
Once he was nailed to the cross his journey had ended. Now, as I stated above, now he could assume the sins of the world upon himself and his physical death would wipe the slate clean. All sin of all time would be gone with this one sweeping act, and mankind would be free from sin. That is, if they would choose to accept the Savior's payment on their behalf. They can after all choose to pay for their own sins in hell. Thus, they, the sinners, could accept Christ's eternal payment on their behalf, or, they could choose not to accept that payment and try, try, try to pay for their sins themselves. One problem, the sinner can not remove the sins from their filthy spirit. You see, Christ's spirit was always pure but he took the sins upon himself and shead them with the death of his body. Whereas, we as sinners are not pure and can not shed sin from ourselves. Thus, we are forever laden with sin with out Christ's payment on our behalf.
So there it is, my analysis of this subject.
Anyway, I was thinking about how the Savior took the sins of the world upon himself and my conclusion is a follows:
1) When and where did that occur?
a) in Gethsemane?
or
b) on the cross?
I would say that he suffered in Gethsemane for the sins of the world and then was led to the slaughter as the sacrificial Lamb. THEN, while on the cross he took the sins of the world upon himself and became the Man of Sin. Consequently, since God the Father can not dwell where sin exists then he withdrew from Christ. All the sins of the world were upon the Savior as follows:
i) He was guilty and loathsome as a perpetrator.
ii) He was despised and hated by the victims.
In other words, he was everything and every sin that has ever been committed upon the earth. The weight of the guilt and hate must have been crushing as he hung on the cross; ALONE. HOWEVER, since he was a pure and perfect man he could shed those sins by giving up his sin laden body. How amazing such a thing could be accomplished as he said "Father into thy hands I comment my spirit" (KJV Luke 23:46), and like that, it was done. A perfect payment for all the sins of every person that was or ever would be upon the earth. He in that one act was free from his sin laden body and he was with God the Father.
2) Could he have taken the sins of the world upon himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?
No. Because, if he was sin laden prior to the cross then he would be a blemished Lamb. Therefore, he was not sin laden while led to the slaughter but afterwards; while on the cross.
3) What did happen in Gethsemane?
Lord Jesus experienced every kind of sin from the point of view of every kind of person. He suffered the guilt and the pain. He suffered every possible thing that was sin and in that suffering remained true to the Father.
4) What was the suffering during the period between Gethsemane and the cross?
This suffering was the event of being led to the slaughter. Consequently, there were three events as follows:
a) The suffering for sin in Gethsemane.
b) The suffering as the sacrafical Lamb led to the slaughter.
c) The slaughter of the Lamb on the cross. It was here that he took upon himself the sins of the world and God the Father withdrew from him because he was now a pure but sinful man.
5) The slaughter of the Lamb.
Once he was nailed to the cross his journey had ended. Now, as I stated above, now he could assume the sins of the world upon himself and his physical death would wipe the slate clean. All sin of all time would be gone with this one sweeping act, and mankind would be free from sin. That is, if they would choose to accept the Savior's payment on their behalf. They can after all choose to pay for their own sins in hell. Thus, they, the sinners, could accept Christ's eternal payment on their behalf, or, they could choose not to accept that payment and try, try, try to pay for their sins themselves. One problem, the sinner can not remove the sins from their filthy spirit. You see, Christ's spirit was always pure but he took the sins upon himself and shead them with the death of his body. Whereas, we as sinners are not pure and can not shed sin from ourselves. Thus, we are forever laden with sin with out Christ's payment on our behalf.
So there it is, my analysis of this subject.
