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Post by davewatchman on Jul 6, 2019 13:05:38 GMT -6
Two is the deadline for me. If nothing happens by then, i better start looking for a good entry point on a depressed oil stock. There's lots of them around with oil sliding down to 40 bucks. If they're going to blow up the ME, oil and gold should do good for a ride. I can't see eye to eye with the English Girl, but her book of business falls on the moon not giving it's light on the 17th. That might be the full moon when the Goodman of the house comes back from His long journey. "For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: - KJV "He took a bag of money with him; at full moon he will come home.” - ESV I was driving around the Toronto Airport area today. Beautiful warm sunny day. Traffic was busy. People walking around all over the place. I kept wondering if God would rain fire down on these people without any warning. Would there be a weird earthquake first? But the destruction wouldn't be sudden if there were a warning first. The dragon CAUSES the fire to fall from heaven in the full view of men. "Without warning he shall destroy many. -ESV "And he will destroy many while they are at ease. - NASB "When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. - NIV I read this fire as coming FROM God, like in the days of Lot, but it's caused or triggered by the composite beast. To it the dragon has given his power and his throne and his great authority. Could we be sitting here prior to a third of mankind being destroyed? So this stuff is more spooky for me, than it is for you guys. I know that the rapture's in there somewhere, i'd just rather keep close to the crib until i'm sure. , I know what you are saying. Now that is spooky. I know that you and I see some quirky things, at least I know I see some signs that are a little "different". That's ok, I'm ok with it. I don't know what to make of it sometimes, but I do know that God weaves a complex tapestry of signs that will somehow come together perfectly. In the end we will see and go Ahh, that makes sense. I also feel that we on this discussion board and those who are just reading are drawn here. We are Watchman on the wall. You are davewatchman! I think God has given us this burden, because we can take it. We are also blessed with it. As a good watchman we are called to sound the alarm when the time comes. We will somehow know, from God, when that time comes. We should also try to be strong for those in our lives and tell them of these birth pangs that are happening. I admit that is a weakness of mine as I fear rejection, but I pray to God daily for this burden and blessing he has given me. Excellent note sog. The way that you have it worded out, i couldn't have said it better. And even with the "quirky things we see", we still get along fine on this forum. I'm the first to admit that i can get some wild eyed ideas. But it has been said that: "a good watchman watches in all directions". Having the ability to consider the various possibilities might come in handy. But the main thing is we get along here. We show the love for one another. And fulfill the Lord's New Commandment. This is more important than being right on prophecy, genealogies and translations. By this everyone will KNOW that we are His Disciples. "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples,
I'm not sure for certain whether we will be here to go through some of the tribulation. I can make an argument either way, but either way will be called to God at the appointed time. I'm not certain either. But i don't think the pretribbers will be disappointed. I think it's going to happen fast and we'll be watching the vials safely from the stratosphere. But only at the time that is appointed. I also have feelings of staying close to home, but my wife doesn't want to just sit and wait. I love her for that. She helps me realize that God doesn't want to us to just sit idle, but live the wonderful life he has given us. This site is also a blessing for me. You all let me know that I'm not the only one and I can come here and share my thoughts, as strange as they sometimes are, and not be looked at as a little off-beat. Well, maybe I am by some, but I'm ok with it. I know it sounds contradictory to our instructions. Jesus said flee to the mountains. Don't go back to your house. Remember Lots wife. I don't think that my house will survive 100 pound hailstones, but if we have a few days before that begins, i wouldn't mind putting some food out for the animals. Especially during those high watch dates, like July 17, i'm paranoid for commuting to work. In case the roads are impassable, it would be tough to walk back home 35 miles. So it was suggested that i buy a bicycle. But once i get to work, i then drive a company vehicle clear across the city. But then i spotted a collapsible bike on the classifieds that folds up into a small suitcase size. It was pretty cool actually with a six speed derailleur. But i decided to forget the idea. Forget the fear. Jesus said to fear not. Like you said up there: "We will somehow know, from God, when that time comes. I'll just put the full trust in the Lord. There's enough worry for today. Tomorrow will take care of itself. Keep posting. I'm with ya. Stay strong my Canadian brother, eh. Ezekiel 3:17-19 - Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. Isaiah 62:6 - I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence, Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. You too. I'm with Ya as well. G'day sog. Stay strong in the land down under. Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? You better run, you better take cover Do you come from a land down under? Where women glow and men plunder? Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? You better run, you better take cover Living in a land down under Where women glow and men plunder Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder? You better run, you better take cover  |
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Post by mike on Jul 6, 2019 14:21:57 GMT -6
davewatchman , I know what you are saying. Now that is spooky. I know that you and I see some quirky things, at least I know I see some signs that are a little "different". That's ok, I'm ok with it. I don't know what to make of it sometimes, but I do know that God weaves a complex tapestry of signs that will somehow come together perfectly. In the end we will see and go Ahh, that makes sense. I also feel that we on this discussion board and those who are just reading are drawn here. We are Watchman on the wall. You are davewatchman! I think God has given us this burden, because we can take it. We are also blessed with it. As a good watchman we are called to sound the alarm when the time comes. We will somehow know, from God, when that time comes. We should also try to be strong for those in our lives and tell them of these birth pangs that are happening. I admit that is a weakness of mine as I fear rejection, but I pray to God daily for this burden and blessing he has given me. Excellent note sog. The way that you have it worded out, i couldn't have said it better. And even with the "quirky things we see", we still get along fine on this forum. I'm the first to admit that i can get some wild eyed ideas. But it has been said that: "a good watchman watches in all directions". Having the ability to consider the various possibilities might come in handy. But the main thing is we get along here. We show the love for one another. And fulfill the Lord's New Commandment. This is more important than being right on prophecy, genealogies and translations. By this everyone will KNOW that we are His Disciples. "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples,This is everything! |
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Post by davewatchman on Jul 7, 2019 8:42:51 GMT -6
davewatchman , your POV is quite fascinating. Especially the technology plateau. Also, I liked that you included the Reddit link. I find that reading the comments in reddit exposes the veil over peoples eyes so dramatically. Thanks for the interest stormy. I tend to believe it. I'm not the only one. And the science people that see it would never imagine that it was God that was responsible for giving the "X" amount of increased knowledge. "A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven"I got the idea for the post when i saw venge's comment about the invention of flight. I remembered the airplane article from AEON. It took about 1900 years to just get to invent flight, then the television, WW1 and WW2. Israel rebirthed... And i thought it a good segway to getaway from the July 17 subject which may be an irritation for some. But having a knowledge cap means there's a lot of things we'll probably never do. Warp drive, teleportation, time travel, the general matter anti matter Star Trek stuff. The spellchecker doesn't like teleportation anyway. And i'm also suspicious of a couple new procedures talked about in the medical science department. I'm not going to post the links this time because it makes me nauseous. In England there's an article about a right to gestate forcing the health care system to pay for womb transplantation for sex change patients. I seriously doubt that the Lord is going to let us transplant a womb into a man's body so that he can give birth to a child. And there was a story about an Italian Doctor who is experimenting with head transplantation. He claims to have been successful in removing an ape's head, and then reattaching it. But he hasn't tried to remove the head of one ape, and then reattach it to another. Even with his best success rate, he says that just 10 to 15% of the nerve connections succeed. He had a human volunteer from Russia that recently backed out of the operation. I read that the surgeon has moved to China and partnered with a physician there. I hate to think what he might do there. This business sounds to me like something that would be an abomination to God. Even those with the reprobate mind, better keep the brain they were born with. "What therefore God has joined together,
let no man separate."
I'll reserve my thoughts on the rest though as I'm not that well versed in the chronology of events. That's probably wise. I tend to think we might be farther down the road than is palatable for most to think. So i'm always looking for what could be this, or what could be that. Right now i wonder if we ARE the 144,000. We are ALL the Tribes of Israel. WE could be living in that delay. The delay is created by that word UNTIL. Do NOT HARM THE EARTH. "UNTIL" we have sealed the servants of our God. 144,000 are: ALL the tribes of Israel. That means 100%. ALL. 12 X 12 = ALL These are not the same 12 Tribes from Moses' day. We are Abraham's seed. Believers in our glorious Lord Jesus. That's how James addressed the 12 New Testament Tribes of Israel. The Old Time 12 Tribes were gone already when James was writing. Note how James begins his first two chapters: James 1:►
New International VersionJames, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations:
Greetings.
James 2: ►
New International VersionMy brothers and sisters,
believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.So James audience is: "the twelve tribes scattered among the nations", who are also: "believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ".So if I'm a believer in Jesus, I'm in one of the twelve tribes. Even if I'm a little kid in Sri Lanka. I hope Dave Pack is not watching this. |
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 7, 2019 10:31:46 GMT -6
davewatchman, I know this is getting away from the OP subject, but since you mentioned the tribes of Israel and who we are at the same time that I was watching a couple of videos from the Christian Truthers channel, I feel compelled* to post them as they are spot on to this subject.
*As barbiosheepgirl called it " a Holy Spirit situation ", it's something I'm still adjusting to and am extremely humbled and left a little shaken by. I've been a "tool" before, but by a different definition. I hope I can be the tool God wants me to be and not just spreading chaos. |
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Post by Natalie on Jul 7, 2019 15:18:07 GMT -6
Just be careful with some of these, he makes interesting points (although I don't agree with him on some things), but his resource 119 Ministries is a Hebrew Roots ministry.
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Post by canada on Jul 7, 2019 17:59:01 GMT -6
Listened to the Natsarim Documentary ... I am very wary of it's teachings.
Sounds like a mixture of Messianic Judaism and Seventh Day Adventism plus.
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 7, 2019 18:39:05 GMT -6
Just be careful with some of these, he makes interesting points (although I don't agree with him on some things), but his resource 119 Ministries is a Hebrew Roots ministry. Yes, thank you, Natalie, I do realize this, and I do take pretty much everything I watch/read on the internet with a grain of salt. The other vid I posted in another thread about the harlot/woman that rides the beast is by Adam from Parable of the Vineyard who is an adamant flat earther. But, like here at Unsealed, everyone has their views, not everyone is right 100%. Something I've learned from Jordan Petersen is that one should listen carefully to whomever you are engaging with, and I think that would include watching such videos, because there is a very good chance that that person may have information that you don't and you can learn from them. Fortunately we have the Holy Spirit to help us discern the truth. I know right now it's like the Law has been in suspension. Jesus is our Sabbath rest and through Him we are able to 'keep' the law or this is how I understand it atm. But there will come a day when we will always keep the Law and the appointed feast days, everyone, all around the Earth. So the fact that some people still choose to keep the Law does not bother me either way. Paul was a Jew to the Jews and a Gentile to the Gentiles. What ever it took to get the Good News of Jesus Christ across to whom he shared it with. I know for myself when Saturday rolls around I know it's the Sabbath in my heart. I want to do nothing but maybe study. I have no congregation to attend except here at Unsealed. But the weekend is the only time I have for chores at home and there is no way I could get them done in one day. I used to keep the Sabbath pretty strictly when I was a part of the WWCoG, but I don't now, and I feel I am more blessed now than I was then, so go figure! I will wait on my Lord Jesus Christ to teach me what He wants me to do and right now, I believe it is to wait on Him to get here. I don't think He has kicked me to the curb yet, I must be doing ok. But I do appreciate the concern and hope that you don't ever not warn me of such things because I may miss something occasionally.
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Post by Natalie on Jul 7, 2019 19:01:13 GMT -6
Listened to the Natsarim Documentary ... I am very wary of it's teachings. Sounds like a mixture of Messianic Judaism and Seventh Day Adventism plus. I haven't watched that one yet. I did find a Messianic Rabbi who addressed the idea that the church is Ephraim. He has some things that contradicts the video. Maybe a new thread should be started? |
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Post by findtruth on Jul 10, 2019 5:01:47 GMT -6
I believe the restrainer is the holy spirit. There are other interpretations. If the holy Spirit is the restrainer, then when the rapture occurs, He is taken out of the way because He reigns in every believer in Christ. At the time of the tribulation, the Holy Spirit will be present like in the old testament,as the age of grace will be over .
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Post by venge on Jul 11, 2019 3:49:53 GMT -6
I believe the restrainer is the holy spirit. There are other interpretations. If the holy Spirit is the restrainer, then when the rapture occurs, He is taken out of the way because He reigns in every believer in Christ. At the time of the tribulation, the Holy Spirit will be present like in the old testament,as the age of grace will be over . If the HS is the restrained, and Christians are whisked away before tribulation— why are believers told to have have patience and endurance in Rev 14 after the beast worship is setup. Wouldn’t believers have the HS and if so...it’s not removed after Babylons fall in the Trumpets |
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Post by fitz on Jul 11, 2019 4:21:07 GMT -6
I believe the restrainer is the holy spirit. There are other interpretations. If the holy Spirit is the restrainer, then when the rapture occurs, He is taken out of the way because He reigns in every believer in Christ. At the time of the tribulation, the Holy Spirit will be present like in the old testament,as the age of grace will be over . If the HS is the restrained, and Christians are whisked away before tribulation— why are believers told to have have patience and endurance in Rev 14 after the beast worship is setup. Wouldn’t believers have the HS and if so...it’s not removed after Babylons fall in the Trumpets , of course you know, most pre-tribbers believe Rev 14 is not talking about the church age Church, it's referring to the tribulation saints. www.gotquestions.org/tribulation-saints.html |
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Post by venge on Jul 11, 2019 4:24:17 GMT -6
If the HS is the restrained, and Christians are whisked away before tribulation— why are believers told to have have patience and endurance in Rev 14 after the beast worship is setup. Wouldn’t believers have the HS and if so...it’s not removed after Babylons fall in the Trumpets , of course you know, most pre-tribbers believe Rev 14 is not talking about the church age Church, it's referring to the tribulation saints. www.gotquestions.org/tribulation-saints.html Yes, but believers are there regardless and if they are believers, they have the HS |
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Post by fitz on Jul 11, 2019 4:44:45 GMT -6
Yes, we agree! I know I differ from some who think trib. saints have to "keep themselves" until they are martyred or Jesus comes, but I think it's impossible. No believer during the tribulation will be able to "keep themselves" anymore than we can do this today! No, they, just like us, will have the indwelling HS. Believe in Jesus, receive the HS, period...and these saints share in ALL of the future promises given to the church age saints as well.
However, the HS is "taken out of the way" during the trib. in that He will no longer be restraining evil on the earth. God let's evil run it's course.
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 11, 2019 5:02:41 GMT -6
I agree with fitz , here venge . I see it as similar to OT times. Certain believers, namely the prophets, were filled with the Holy Spirit, but it wasn't until that Pentecost after Jesus Christ's ascension that the Holy Spirit was "poured out". So again, during the tribulation, those who turn to Christ will receive the Holy Spirit, but He will not be here restraining evil as He is now. |
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Post by venge on Jul 11, 2019 6:48:33 GMT -6
I agree with fitz , here venge . I see it as similar to OT times. Certain believers, namely the prophets, were filled with the Holy Spirit, but it wasn't until that Pentecost after Jesus Christ's ascension that the Holy Spirit was "poured out". So again, during the tribulation, those who turn to Christ will receive the Holy Spirit, but He will not be here restraining evil as He is now. That’s assuming the HS is the restrainer. Your point is based upon that hope. Whereas the HS may not be the restrainer and thus, is never removed. He comes to anyone that is ready to believe and repent. As Joel points out, even when Jerusalem is besieged...he says even now rend your heart. Repent, give glory to God..he saves even at the end and in so much as salvation comes also comes the comforter! I don’t ever reading a verse that declares the HS to leave. But there are verses that say you can lose your crown or be blotted out of the book of life. The HS tries men and there is more a reason for it to try men at that time because when they give into their lusts, it will be proved against them. Their Hearts hardened rather then seeking truth. |
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