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Post by mike on Jun 27, 2019 11:39:46 GMT -6
bobthewebguy - I appreciate your openness to share your experiences with 'us' here at Unsealed. For some (especially me) who have heard many stories that begin like yours "God told me..." only to be proven incorrect or at least very delayed, we get skeptical. For example we had a story where the person was so very convinced there would be a quake along CA in the manner of 10.0 on said date, that we allowed it to be posted but advised we would lock the thread if it didnt happen (IIRC). Point being sometimes people hear the voice of God other times its not Him, but the person feels it is Him, so we must exercise caution. I think you get that  Personally I have difficulty with this "hearing from God". There have been many many more times I freeze and dont do anything, fearing I am not hearing Him and its just me, or the dinner my wife made. I would appreciate more of your insight. I am sure you hear from Him, we all do but our discernment must be precise. PLease do not check out, rather use your gift to help the rest of us (like me) who struggle in this area. EDIT - here is a thread where this person was quite convinced he heard from God. Did he?
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Post by yardstick on Jun 27, 2019 13:08:33 GMT -6
Yes, you are exactly correct. It would be me. Never the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure what it would mean to me. If I am wrong, I would, I don't know, go see a shrink and tell them that I am hearing voices. :-) BTW, I loved what Jerry Falwell said when asked if the voice of God is audible. He said, "no, it's louder than that!" So far in 40 years, of hearing from God, He's never been wrong. I remember when I led my mom to the Lord in NYC. She had Alzheimer. She was pretty much a vegetable. But, for about 5 min. she seemed to understand me and allowed me to witness to her. But, of course, when I got home I wasn't sure if she really got saved. So, I decided to pray and ask the Lord. As I bowed my head I heard, "John the Baptist in prison". Really? what on earth does that mean; so I thought about it and opened my bible to that part of scripture. I read that Jesus answer to John's doubt about Jesus was one thing. He said, to remember the miracles that I did. That was His answer to John's doubt. Now, from the moment I left my house that day to travel to New York and returned, the entire trip would be summed up in one word, "MIRACLES" I have never experienced so many miracles in such a short time. It was incredible. So, IMO, the answer that the Lord gave me to my doubt about my Mom sincerely being saved was absolutely perfect. From that moment on, I never doubted whether I will see my Mom in Heaven. Oh and what He said to me about Paris burning and Macron, I thought was brilliant and perfect. Just like God, wouldn't you say? One more story, only to try to impress you.. :-)
I'll try to keep it short. There was this 25 year old "gym rat" type of guy, who was really trying to make trouble at our church. That seemed to be his goal. He was not a member, he just sort of picked our church. One day, before a service, I saw our 80 year old usher following him into the sanctuary barking at him. This guy was wearing a hat and carrying a can of soda. He had, I hear later, also disrespected our ladies and was just being an idiot. So, I decided to meet him at the front of the sanctuary bu using another aisle and we sort of "chest thumped" each other. As he turned around I grabbed him in a headlock. Now, I was 60 years old at the time and unbelievably out of shape. ( a couch potato) As I grabbed him, I knew I was in trouble. This guy was as strong as rock. I sort of looked at my friend and whispered, HELP. Anyway, I landed with my head hitting a pew. And the next thing I noticed was me on top of him still with him in a headlock. He wasn't moving. After a few seconds, I told him that if he promises to leave the church I will let him up. He thought about it and agreed and I let him up and he left. There's more to the story about what happened after he left but that's no important now. So after he left I walked back to speak with a friend. As I was standing there talking to her, I felt my body as if I was one of those men on the front of a body builder magazine. You know, those credulously looking muscle monsters. I felt like Arnold Schwarzenegger. ( And i know it wasn't adrenaline) I finished that conversation and started to walk towards another when I heard, " uncircumcised Philistine" I thought about it for a moment and then suddenly realized what had just happened. This guy was dissing our ladies, our staff and our church and GOD really, and had to be dealt with. The Lord had used a 60 year old and given him supernatural strength to evict him. I had just experienced what King David and Samson had experienced. this must have been fairly recently... |
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Post by venge on Jun 28, 2019 8:45:38 GMT -6
And yet, as I read this topic, I wonder why anyone has not asked..why does Israel need a Sanhedrin? It does not fulfill prophecy. If you say it does, please show me in prophecy the Sanhedrin must exist in the end of days. Because, IMO, it does not need to. It holds no weight towards Christ.
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Post by mike on Jun 28, 2019 8:59:19 GMT -6
And yet, as I read this topic, I wonder why anyone has not asked..why does Israel need a Sanhedrin? It does not fulfill prophecy. If you say it does, please show me in prophecy the Sanhedrin must exist in the end of days. Because, IMO, it does not need to. It holds no weight towards Christ. Spitballin' here venge, but it would or at least could assist in a great deception. |
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Post by bobthewebguy on Jun 28, 2019 9:38:10 GMT -6
Hi guys, When I hear people say, " God told me this and Gold told me that", I too roll my eyes. As I said in another thread, I am currently in a crusade against "dreams and visions". I have never heard from one person who can prove a prophetic dream or vision that they have had come true. Dreams and visions are not from God. And I can prove it...
But anyway, you are talking to the choir here when it comes to extra biblical revelations. In my 40 years, I have never had one person in my domination even suggest that they had a dream or vision. It seems to be only common within those churches that always depend on "experiences". You could NEVER be deceived into thinking that you are a Christian by attending my church or my past churches. Never! But, in those other churches, with tongues and healings and dreams and visions and the rest of the experiences, you could easily go to Hell and think that you were saved because of the experiences that you were having.
Yet, my walk with God is I suppose, "near Him" I have always "heard from the Holy Spirit".
And to venge: When the Church is caught up, God will go back to dealing with Israel. If you put your finger; on a time line, and put one finger on about 35 AD and put the other finger on the date of the rapture, whenever that is, and remover that time from the time line, you will be back to where it left off. Israel and Rome. Just about everything that was common to Israel at that time will look exactly as it was back in 35 AD. With the Temple, the Sanhedrin, the animal sacrifices, etc. And with Rome and with an Emperor. (Macron) The church is a parentheses on the timeline. It doesn't belong there. It does because of the rejection of Israel to their Messiah.
This is what Daniel's 70th week is all about. I am learning that very few Christians understand Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy. Even Bible prophecy students. shame...
Yardstick, it was 6 years ago with the church miracle and 15 or so with my Mom. ...
Oh and Mike, you are the first person in 40 years who has ever said to me what you said about "using your gift". If you ask 100 Christians who their favorite bible character is, how many do you think would say, The Queen of Sheba? I looked up on Google awhile ago some thoughts on, "the gift of discernment" and I noticed that she was mentioned as the favorite of some people with the gift of discernment. I can honestly say that the Queen of Sheba has always been my favorite bible character. Your comment expresses a like attitude of hers in the scriptures. Well done.
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Post by Natalie on Jun 28, 2019 10:46:42 GMT -6
Hi guys, When I hear people say, " God told me this and Gold told me that", I too roll my eyes. As I said in another thread, I am currently in a crusade against "dreams and visions". I have never heard from one person who can prove a prophetic dream or vision that they have had come true. Dreams and visions are not from God. And I can prove it... I truly understand that if a person or ministry or church is having dreams and visions and they prove to be false, then they are false prophets.
But does that mean all dreams and visions are not from God?
What about God telling you that Macron is the AC? Personally, I put that on the same level with dreams and visions. Help me understand if it is somehow different. And at some point, it will be proven true or false.
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Post by bobthewebguy on Jun 28, 2019 10:55:37 GMT -6
Yes, Isn't that Ironic? I agree with you 100% Mine wasn't a dream or vision but I understand completely my dilemma.
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Post by venge on Jun 28, 2019 11:09:42 GMT -6
The point is that there is no scripture to prove the Sanhedrin, sacrifices are needed and to think otherwise is opinion based.
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Post by bobthewebguy on Jun 28, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -6
Do you know that the Sanhedrin is already picked including the High Priest? BTW, I never said that the sacrifices are needed. They are not.
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Post by Natalie on Jun 28, 2019 11:54:09 GMT -6
Do you know that the Sanhedrin is already picked including the High Priest? BTW, I never said that the sacrifices are needed. They are not. "And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering." Dan 9:27
Sounds like sacrifices are needed.
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Post by yardstick on Jun 28, 2019 12:40:13 GMT -6
... Yardstick, it was 6 years ago with the church miracle and 15 or so with my Mom. ... ... Well, you're a very young-looking 66 year old... I hope I look that good when I am 66... haha |
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Post by mike on Jun 28, 2019 12:45:50 GMT -6
Hey Bob thanks again for sharing, I'm a little surprised by your comment about your gift. "No one ever asking you" You see I don't know you (at least not yet) but you say God tells you very specific things. Who am I to tell you He doesn't without giving you a chance? I am reminded of a very powerful person, with a right heart before the Lord, David. When Shimei confronted him throwing rocks and cursing him, even though his men wanted to kill the guy. David said (in my words) he heard from God, why should I say he didnt...BUT when it turns out that he didnt, how did David react? with mercy. 2 Sam 16:5 And when king David came to Bahurim, behold, thence came out a man of the family of the house of Saul, whose name [was] Shimei, the son of Gera: he came forth, and cursed still as he came. 6 And he cast stones at David, and at all the servants of king David: and all the people and all the mighty men [were] on his right hand and on his left. 7 And thus said Shimei when he cursed, Come out, come out, thou bloody man, and thou man of Belial: 8 The LORD hath returned upon thee all the blood of the house of Saul, in whose stead thou hast reigned; and the LORD hath delivered the kingdom into the hand of Absalom thy son: and, behold, thou [art taken] in thy mischief, because thou [art] a bloody man. 9 Then said Abishai the son of Zeruiah unto the king, Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? let me go over, I pray thee, and take off his head. 10 And the king said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah? so let him curse, because the LORD hath said unto him, Curse David. Who shall then say, Wherefore hast thou done so?
2 Sam 19:18 And there went over a ferry boat to carry over the king's household, and to do what he thought good. And Shimei the son of Gera fell down before the king, as he was come over Jordan; 19 And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart. 20 For thy servant doth know that I have sinned: therefore, behold, I am come the first this day of all the house of Joseph to go down to meet my lord the king. 21 But Abishai the son of Zeruiah answered and said, Shall not Shimei be put to death for this, because he cursed the LORD'S anointed? 22 And David said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah, that ye should this day be adversaries unto me? shall there any man be put to death this day in Israel? for do not I know that I [am] this day king over Israel? 23 Therefore the king said unto Shimei, Thou shalt not die. And the king sware unto him.So maybe you heard from the Holy Spirit, maybe not - I wont judge before the time. When I think I hear from God I keep it close to the vest so I dont have to respond like Shimei. Which reminds me that I owe kjs a testimony where I am certain I heard from the Lord, about my job. (Sorry bro - I started typing it up in Word then of course my computer crashed and it was gone. I will get it on the site soon) |
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Post by mike on Jun 28, 2019 12:57:10 GMT -6
... Yardstick, it was 6 years ago with the church miracle and 15 or so with my Mom. ... ... Well, you're a very young-looking 66 year old... I hope I look that good when I am 66... haha He didnt tell you that profile pic is from 2003 |
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Post by kjs on Jun 28, 2019 13:09:20 GMT -6
So maybe you heard from the Holy Spirit, maybe not - I wont judge before the time. When I think I hear from God I keep it close to the vest so I dont have to respond like Shimei. Which reminds me that I owe kjs a testimony where I am certain I heard from the Lord, about my job. (Sorry bro - I started typing it up in Word then of course my computer crashed and it was gone. I will get it on the site soon) looking forward to it............. |
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Post by bobthewebguy on Jun 28, 2019 13:37:13 GMT -6
And again, I would never believe anyone who says, " God told me" Yet, that's the only way I can explain my comments. Sorry... Natalie, they are needed to fulfill prophecy but, they are not needed as a blood sacrifice for atonement. Not like it did before the cross. I should have explained myself. And Mike, i previously explained that I never spoke about my gift for the my first 30 as a Christian. It only got me in trouble. Never helped me. Oh No, that pic is from when I was kicked out of Israel many years ago. Here's today.  |
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