Who is Lucifer?

Oh OK, then we can agree to disagree on this, thanks for the reply. Dont wanna get off topic

Venge, you are right that Lucifer is not Satan but Satan is Lucifer.

That is, Satan is a category that includes anyone against Christ. Thus, Peter was Satan at one point because he was against Christ. Remember, "get behind me Satan" are the words that the Savior spoke to Peter.

So while Lucifer is one individual leading a campaign against Christ, Satan is one or more individuals against Christ.

Boy, I am going to be in big trouble but I have to say this, Morning Star is like a title or designation or symbol. Meaning its the brightest star in the morning, the most glorious, etc. The Evil One used to have that title and position in the Lord's Heaven long ago til the day of the incoming Great War in Heaven that the Evil One will be casted out. Jesus said that in Bible that the Evil One long ago was very wise, handsome, powerful, etc. Til jealousy of God's glory, beauty, power, etc overcame the Evil One's heart.

13 You were in Eden,the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.

14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.

15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.

17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.

18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.

19 All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.’”

The Evil One was guiding the King of Babylon or taken over the mind, I am not sure yet as I haven't anaylze thoroughly yet.

And he is up in the Heaven all day and night accusing all of us as indicated by this,

Revelation 12:10

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

And I have this theory that Peter was leaning on his understanding instead of trusting in the Lord completely, the Evil One was sly, suggesting, manipulating Peter's reasoning and emotions and logic to rebel against the Lord and to break up the movement. By the way, I have seen this tactic working very efficiently in churches.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

That is why we all need to trust completely in the Lord, even things doesn't makes sense, we have to remember this,
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord.

9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You quoted Ezekiel and verse 12 states the King of Tyre, not the devil. There are no commentaries that I have found that say it is the devil.
biblehub.com/commentaries/ezekiel/28-1.htm

I am of the same opinion on this venge. It certainly does not say it is the devil and is not referring at it either, but a part that is of the devil, pride. 

For anyone who is interested, the word Lucifer is Latin and was used in the Latin Vulgate translation. Lucifer is the Latin translation for bright or morning star. Some translations say King of Tyre and some say King of Babylon. It is talking about Nebuchadnezzar and his fall to becoming insane and like an animal when he was loving and priding himself and all he had achieved one day on his castle after the Lord had warned him to basically get over himself. 

The theology behind this being the devil and describing his fall from heaven is really really doing some language somersaults in this passage. Some food for thought, when it is referencing to this part:

"13 You were in Eden,the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.

Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.



14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.



15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.



16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.



17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings.



18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground

in the sight of all who were watching.
" <<<< Two verses here that talk about trade among the nations and kingdoms, which Babylon was the hub of at it's time. Why would the devil have anything to do with trade? All of this is taught as referencing and in a non direct way of describing the devil, but no one ever explains the part about sinning with trade through violence, which the kings of that time did all the time, not the Devil. 

This is a very poetic allegory for a personality trait or behavior, not solely an individual. It is a trait of Satan and us humans. It was there in the beginning and the cause for our fall. It is the root behind all disobedience and sin. It was the driving factor behind Adam and Eve eating the fruit and reason we fall into temptation. It was the reason the Kings of Babylon fell and led to their behavior and sins. Their mindset as being untouchable and on top of the world, which is far more poetically described above by Ezekiel. "On top of the World" would be in the heavens at the level of God. These scriptures are describing and talking about pride and it's influence on us, our behavior, and character. 

God has sent lying Spirits when needed (to the prophets to purposely lie in the OT), and that was HIS lying spirit to send. What if there is a spirit of Pride? Not stating as fact, just something to think about. All spirits belong to God, and that He has stated himself.  

The Kings of Babylon demanded worship of themselves because they thought of themselves as a god. They both played an important purpose in Gods plan with the Jews, and were placed into their Kingdoms by God, which is explained to King Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel after God lets him be sane again.

I have brought this up in other threads and will state it here. We give the devil way too much credit on his abilities and what he does. It is easier to place all the bad stuff and blame on him, when really we are just as capable of it ourselves. He TEMPTS our egos and pride that are already present to be tempted and he knows this. God created Satan, and his name means accuser and he created him for a purpose. These scriptures are not describing his fall from God, but what God does to pride. He brings it to the dust of the ground in the form of ashes because He is a consuming and refining fire.

Jesus was calling Peter Satan, not casting Satan out of him. Anyone who favors their own desires and ways over Gods is doing exactly what Jesus told Peter he was doing. He placed his own personal feelings and thoughts above Gods plan to save the entire world. While innocent on the surface, it was also vert selfish of Peter, and Jesus called him out on it.     

The word “lucifer” is found in only one verse in the Bible (Isaiah 14:12) and in only some English Bibles. Those using “lucifer” in Isaiah 14 are the King James, the New King James, and earlier translations including Bishops (1568), Geneva (1587), Webster’s (1833), Brenton’s English Septuagint (1844), Darby (1889) and Douay-Rheims (1899). In all of these Bibles, “lucifer” is used and is capitalized. This led to its use as a proper name for “the anointed cherub that covereth.”

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word “lucifer” comes from Jerome’s Vulgate, which is the late fourth century AD Latin translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. In Latin, the word “lucifer” means the “bringer of light,” and in English, the word “luciferous” is used as an adjective to describe something that emits light.

In the Latin Vulgate, Isaiah 14:12 reads:

Isaiah 14:12 quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes

The word “lucifer” in the Vulgate is NOT a proper name. It is simply a translation from the Hebrew word “heylel” (or “halal” or “helel”), found in the Hebrew Masoretic text.

The Hebrew Word “Helel”
“Helel“ (halal) is defined by Strong’s Dictionary as:

H1966. heylel, hay-lale’ (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star.

The word derives from another Hebrew word, “halal,” defined as:

H1984. halal, haw-lal’; to be clear (orig. of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish…

Jewish sources record that the word literally means “shining one.” The word can also mean “bearer of light,” which gives understanding to Paul’s proclamation that Satan is able to transform into an “angel of light” (2 Cor 11:14).

The Jewish Publication Society translated “helel” into English in this way:

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star [helel], son of the morning [ben-sahar]! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

While the Latin Vulgate translated the Hebrew word “helel” as the Latin word “lucifer,” and then early English translations capitalized the “L,” it is NOT a proper name for the cherub. The Jewish Publication Society translates “helel” as “day star.” That is also not a proper name.

While lucifer and day-star are not proper names for the anointed cherub who fell from Heaven, both, when coupled with “ben-sahar” (“son of the morning”), provide a good description of this cherub BEFORE he rebelled against God and was cast out of Heaven. Both translations give a good description of the honor and light that the cherub once had and lost, and that should be a reminder of the devastating consequences of sin against God.

So in summary, there is no Lucifer, only lucifer.

The Evil One is removed from his original position in Heaven as but is allowed to remain in Heaven to accuse all of us so that the Lord can judge according to our works, faith, etc. The Lord uses evil for good. Beside, the Great War will oust him and prevent him from entering Heaven again.

In short, right now, he is up there accusing but he WILL be kicked out for once and forever. Pretty soon as the battle is starting anytime soon.

The king is a 'child' of the Evil One, he works according to the wishes of the Evil One. Like anyone on this world who do the deeds that is not of the Lord, we are doing works of the Evil One. That is why if we do the good works, we are the children of God, if we do the works of evil, then we are the children of father of lies, etc.

He is the prince of the world, that is why the Lord didn't dispute his claim of the world under his control during the Lord's temptation at the desert. The Evil One said to the Lord, if He serves him, then he will give the kingdoms of the world to Him. The Lord didn't dispute that because its true.