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Post by boraddict on Aug 5, 2020 22:32:13 GMT -6
I was looking at the 1st beast (Rev. 13) that he was wounded and then recovered; like an assassination attempt. Afterwords the 2nd beast capitalizes upon that tragedy to push through his (the 2nd beast's) agenda. Just a thought.
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Post by sog on Aug 14, 2020 12:37:41 GMT -6
bernie posted this in shoutbox. Thought I'd share it here as well. Headline: Doctors lay out plan to ‘punish’ people who refuse coronavirus vaccine: ‘There is no alternative’ www.lifesitenews.com/news/doctors-lay-out-plan-to-punish-people-who-refuse-coronavirus-vaccine-there-is-no-alternativeFrom link - August 11, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – A coronavirus vaccine should be mandatory, and tax penalties, higher insurance premiums, and denial of many government and private services ought to be considered for those refusing the shot, three doctors argued in USA Today on Thursday. “[W]hile the measures that will be necessary to defeat the coronavirus will seem draconian, even anti-American to some, we believe that there is no alternative. Simply put, getting vaccinated is going to be our patriotic duty,” wrote Drs. Michael Lederman, Maxwell J. Mehlman, and Stuart Youngner. ... “When a vaccine is ready,” the doctors wrote, it must be free and exemptions must only be made for people with “medical contraindications to immunization.” But “medical conditions that prohibit all COVID-19 vaccines will be rare,” they claimed. No religious or personal objections to receiving the shot or shots should be honored, they wrote, and harsh penalties should be adopted by important sectors of society to pressure the populace to comply. The physicians proposed, “Private businesses could refuse to employ or serve unvaccinated individuals. Schools could refuse to allow unimmunized children to attend classes. Public and commercial transit companies — airlines, trains and buses — could exclude refusers. Public and private auditoriums could require evidence of immunization for entry.” They then outlined how a “registry of immunization will be needed with names entered after immunization is completed.” People who receive the vaccine should be issued “certification cards” with expiration dates (“the durability of protection by different vaccines may vary and may require periodic booster immunizations”). ... A December 2019 article in Scientific American described the vision of Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) researchers for embedding vaccine records “directly into the skin” of children. “Along with the vaccine, a child would be injected with a bit of dye that is invisible to the naked eye but easily seen with a special cell-phone filter, combined with an app that shines near-infrared light onto the skin. The dye would be expected to last up to five years, according to tests on pig and rat skin and human skin in a dish.” The development of this idea, which the article proudly noted avoids using “iris scans” that might violate privacy, was “funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.” It “came about because of a direct request from Microsoft founder and philanthropist Bill Gates himself, who has been supporting efforts to wipe out diseases such as polio and measles across the world.” ... Many immunizations are made from cell lines of aborted babies, and a number of the coronavirus vaccines being developed are also using immorally obtained fetal cell lines. My take - This is the Mark. It's coming.
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Post by Joe on Aug 14, 2020 14:24:08 GMT -6
If there were anytime to be looking for The Lord, now is the time. I believe the UN has taken control of this world and is trying its best to deceive everyone in it. It will not be long before the anti-Christ system takes place and forces everyone, no matter their religious views, to do what they will. Be safe and do not fear, The Lord of Lords and King of Kings is near!
GOD bless! Joe
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Post by venge on Aug 15, 2020 6:13:49 GMT -6
sogDoes receiving an immunization constitute receiving the mark? Better yet, does receiving a shot stop your faith, worship and evangelizing? Does it cause you to sin? Does it make you cursed? Does it stop you from leading people to Christ? Does it supplement God? I’d say no.
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Post by Joe on Aug 15, 2020 6:31:58 GMT -6
venge, I understand what you're saying but to those who don't understand what the mark is... Not unless they start marking you afterwords in the right hand or forehead and saying you can not buy sell or trade without this mark. Some have wondered how they will keep track of those who have taken the immunization if they were indeed to make it mandatory. Lets just hope it doesn't come to that. I pray that no one accepts the mark and finds Jesus Christ before it's too late.
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Post by disciple4life on Aug 15, 2020 7:20:15 GMT -6
sog Does receiving an immunization constitute receiving the mark? Better yet, does receiving a shot stop your faith, worship and evangelizing? Does it cause you to sin? Does it make you cursed? Does it stop you from leading people to Christ? Does it supplement God? I’d say no. Hello venge To all these questions Id also say "no". I didn't know this article was posted in this thread and I posted it in the Covid 19 thread. I don't think it is actually "the mark" yet, but 1/2 a step short. As JD and so many others have v pointed out, all the key elements are in place and it's incrementalism. The technology "conveniently" all lines up. - The technology is in place to be joined with the ID2020, which has been in the works for years. - The planndemic was the special vehicle - fueled by the massive media-induced hysteria to do the test step of mask mandates, and lock downs and government run contact tracing, and don't forget manipulating the numbers and censoring doctors who speak out about Hydroxycloroquine. - Now half the world is fearful, anxious and isolated, and we have increased crime, domestic abuse and suicide. 40 million people out of work. - It can track your physical location. - Track all your personal medical history, allergic reactions, blood type and medical conditions. - Track all your finances and is already in use in the US and Sweden by companies. Employees clock in and out, get paid and can buy things at the company store. - It can track and record everyone who has been vaccinated and those who have not. - It Has the ability to permanently alter a person's DNA with the blueprint built in so it can not be removed, cut out or undone. As we speak, Our state, TN is trying to pass legislation for forced wellness visits for all children in the state including home schooled, from birth up to age 18. Biden/Harris calling for national mandatory masks for everyone even outside. There is no going back. Many schools and Universities are already closing after Thanksgiving, to avoid the dreadful fall flu, and the apocalyptic coronavirus. Thanks to hysteria and false numbers, tens of milliions will be lining up to get the vaccine/micro tattoo. Once tens of millions take it, it can even be scanned with a Free smartphone APP, Just how hard does anyone think it will be to 'turn on' the tracking feature, and simply connect it to the new government digital wallet.
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Post by venge on Aug 15, 2020 18:28:48 GMT -6
sog Does receiving an immunization constitute receiving the mark? Better yet, does receiving a shot stop your faith, worship and evangelizing? Does it cause you to sin? Does it make you cursed? Does it stop you from leading people to Christ? Does it supplement God? I’d say no. Hello venge To all these questions Id also say "no". I didn't know this article was posted in this thread and I posted it in the Covid 19 thread. I don't think it is actually "the mark" yet, but 1/2 a step short. As JD and so many others have v pointed out, all the key elements are in place and it's incrementalism. The technology "conveniently" all lines up. - The technology is in place to be joined with the ID2020, which has been in the works for years. - The planndemic was the special vehicle - fueled by the massive media-induced hysteria to do the test step of mask mandates, and lock downs and government run contact tracing, and don't forget manipulating the numbers and censoring doctors who speak out about Hydroxycloroquine. - Now half the world is fearful, anxious and isolated, and we have increased crime, domestic abuse and suicide. 40 million people out of work. - It can track your physical location. - Track all your personal medical history, allergic reactions, blood type and medical conditions. - Track all your finances and is already in use in the US and Sweden by companies. Employees clock in and out, get paid and can buy things at the company store. - It can track and record everyone who has been vaccinated and those who have not. - It Has the ability to permanently alter a person's DNA with the blueprint built in so it can not be removed, cut out or undone. As we speak, Our state, TN is trying to pass legislation for forced wellness visits for all children in the state including home schooled, from birth up to age 18. Biden/Harris calling for national mandatory masks for everyone even outside. There is no going back. Many schools and Universities are already closing after Thanksgiving, to avoid the dreadful fall flu, and the apocalyptic coronavirus. Thanks to hysteria and false numbers, tens of milliions will be lining up to get the vaccine/micro tattoo. Once tens of millions take it, it can even be scanned with a Free smartphone APP, Just how hard does anyone think it will be to 'turn on' the tracking feature, and simply connect it to the new government digital wallet. I completely understand. But for me, if a medication was introduced to save lives, and this drug was mandated as well as failure to get it would exclude you from buying goods...I’d still get it only because it doesn’t change faith, worship, evangelizing... God doesn’t try to trick us. The Bible says we are to obey our governments and officials right as long as it doesn’t go against God. I can’t see forced medicine being against God. Whatever the mark is, it has to be for the beast and not for God.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 15, 2020 19:49:19 GMT -6
do we have a clear understanding of what the beast really is? it is multifaceted, no?
If faith is being put into man to create something that SAVES, then to me this is anti-God on the surface. so vaccine is Anti-God/Christ.
YES, indeed we are at a bizarre crossroads, because we are to observe the authorities we are under in these governments, I get that.
BUT BUT BUT, there is a major crossroads at putting faith in what could very well be flawed science, which is what the covid thing seems to be based on, that is indirectly putting faith in MAN's wills over God's Will...
If I am forced to take something to participate in man's world, then God help me. It is truly a real test of faith. BUT, is this really what the Mark is? I do not see the vaccine as being a mark. I see the heart of man and where he rests his faith as being the mark. NO vaccine is 100%. There is something more involved than this vaccine, IMHO
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Post by mike on Aug 16, 2020 8:51:47 GMT -6
venge you said if its introduced to save lives... You and I have had a similar discussion. So please see that my response here is no attempt to change your mind on the topic. However I do ask you if you have asked yourself some of the following questions AND have satisfactory answers (for yourself, not me). How do we know a vaccine will produce the desired result? Before saying 'clincal trial', please understand what a clinical trial is. Also if a vaccine were a real life saver, why not have it for other viruses? Also to consider. I certainly dont trust anything I'm told anymore. Would you accept that a trial were done and told a vaccine worked, would you receive that word as truth? Now I have heard from poster boy Fauci that it may only work 30% (theres an article someplace about that), why inject yourself with an unknown? Further there are reports that immunity in those previously infected lasts 3 months. Why is the vaccine better than our own God given system? As for the government mandating this. Why dont I have the right to refuse it. According to worldometer the survival rate is about 95%. We are aware these figures are tainted as well so the number is likely much higher. So why tell the entire world that you must take this vaccine? Getting corona is not a death sentence, in fact the tainted numbers tell me otherwise. Why force people to wear face coverings, stay away from each other, and the list goes on... over something that is truly like a common cold or other corona virus, when most people recover anyway? Why should I be required to trust lies put forth by those in charge and do as they say? Does not the Lord call us to be different? To be like Him? To be like the bereans? To not trust in man, but in Him?
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 16, 2020 12:21:40 GMT -6
Psalm 118 8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. 9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.
These questions can be difficult to answer for many on this side of Heaven. Do we accept the vaccine if it becomes mandated by law?
We know that the mark of the Beast has an aspect of worship involved. I can't believe that this supposed vaccine is the mark if I'm not forced to worship some kind of image associated with it. Don't get me wrong, the powers that be are trying hard to make this feel like it's the mark.
Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 are extremely clear about not rebelling against the government. Jeremiah 27 & 28 are as well. God places these people in power.
Jeremiah 27:5 I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
If the governor of my state of GA, or the President of the United States implements a mandate, I'll abide by the law.
I'll end with this: 1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. If I take the vaccine, it's not because I'm putting confidence in men and some vaccine, it's because I'm obeying the Lord.
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Post by venge on Aug 16, 2020 20:34:06 GMT -6
venge you said if its introduced to save lives... You and I have had a similar discussion. So please see that my response here is no attempt to change your mind on the topic. However I do ask you if you have asked yourself some of the following questions AND have satisfactory answers (for yourself, not me). How do we know a vaccine will produce the desired result? Before saying 'clincal trial', please understand what a clinical trial is. Also if a vaccine were a real life saver, why not have it for other viruses? Also to consider. I certainly dont trust anything I'm told anymore. Would you accept that a trial were done and told a vaccine worked, would you receive that word as truth? Now I have heard from poster boy Fauci that it may only work 30% (theres an article someplace about that), why inject yourself with an unknown? Further there are reports that immunity in those previously infected lasts 3 months. Why is the vaccine better than our own God given system? As for the government mandating this. Why dont I have the right to refuse it. According to worldometer the survival rate is about 95%. We are aware these figures are tainted as well so the number is likely much higher. So why tell the entire world that you must take this vaccine? Getting corona is not a death sentence, in fact the tainted numbers tell me otherwise. Why force people to wear face coverings, stay away from each other, and the list goes on... over something that is truly like a common cold or other corona virus, when most people recover anyway? Why should I be required to trust lies put forth by those in charge and do as they say? Does not the Lord call us to be different? To be like Him? To be like the bereans? To not trust in man, but in Him? My occupation will require that I get this vaccine regardless. So for me, if I want to work, I need to get it. I am also high risk, so it is a death sentence for me without a vaccine and with people who don’t mask up.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 16, 2020 21:47:28 GMT -6
Venge, let's say that the mark of the beast includes a mechanism to buy and sell. However, those who take the mark will have, like: their body full of sores etc. So, what is causing the sores. It might be the chip or what ever that controls the buying or selling, or, it might be the vaccine. Or both! On the flip side, let's say that God is in control and when it comes time that you need to take the vaccine; you don't. In fact, I think that is why the governments will force the people to take the vaccine; to be in opposition to God's will; and they will use food (the purchase thereof) to push the issue. Because, many people will not take it. But if you have to take it, in order to purchase food; then, that is the real test of faith isn't it. So when it comes to that be assured that I will not take the vaccine but trust that the Savior will hold me safe in his loving arms. Rapture, perhaps yes, perhaps no, but I will stand with the directive from the Savior to not participate with the demands of these last days governments with regard to the mark of the beast; that appears to have some association with the vaccine. Get some food storage right now!
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 17, 2020 6:35:36 GMT -6
Venge, let's say that the mark of the beast includes a mechanism to buy and sell. However, those who take the mark will have, like: their body full of sores etc. So, what is causing the sores. It might be the chip or what ever that controls the buying or selling, or, it might be the vaccine. Or both! On the flip side, let's say that God is in control and when it comes time that you need to take the vaccine; you don't. In fact, I think that is why the governments will force the people to take the vaccine; to be in opposition to God's will; and they will use food (the purchase thereof) to push the issue. Because, many people will not take it. But if you have to take it, in order to purchase food; then, that is the real test of faith isn't it. So when it comes to that be assured that I will not take the vaccine but trust that the Savior will hold me safe in his loving arms. Rapture, perhaps yes, perhaps no, but I will stand with the directive from the Savior to not participate with the demands of these last days governments with regard to the mark of the beast; that appears to have some association with the vaccine. Get some food storage right now! The sores are caused by God. Revelation 16:1-2. Deuteronomy 32:39
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Post by mike on Aug 17, 2020 6:55:13 GMT -6
uscgvet what is your point? BORA didnt say the mark directly caused the sores, but those who do will eventually have sores. The end result is the same. Are you simply pointing to the verse where the sores are caused? Note that those who do not have the mark are not included in the sores. However it is hard for me to see there will be many left here on earth without the mark. EDIT except for saints, hmmmmmm Rev14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.Verse 9 seems to indicate the mark coincides with a dedication to the beast AND the image of the beast. However it does not appear to me that this occurs on earth unless Jesus is on earth when the wrath of God is poured on them. Something to ponder - why verse 12 if the rapture occurs first? Is this to Israel? So called Trib saints (which I find very difficult to believe that all of a sudden 'christians' will awake en masse)?
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 17, 2020 7:32:32 GMT -6
mike , "Are you simply pointing to the verse where the sores are caused?" <-- this, but... My point is that it's not some vaccine that causes the sores, or some 5G electromagnetic wave. It's God that causes the sores. He tells us plainly. It's Him. But, as you said, the result is the same from taking the mark and worshiping the beast. "However it does not appear to me that this occurs on earth unless Jesus is on earth when the wrath of God is poured on them." How to you get to this conclusion? Doesn't Jesus come back at Rev Chapter 19? After the end of all the wrath that is poured out?
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