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Post by kjs on Apr 5, 2019 6:41:42 GMT -6
I do not usually "advertise" a particular website and their opinions -- simply because I do not always agree with them.
However, this time -- I believe His Article is "SPOT ON".....
In this Current Day and Age -- "a tiny spark" can Blow up into a huge world conflict.
I think it is possible, that President Trump has "LIT" (or at least Sparked) -- such a possible situation with His Golan Announcement.
(In fact I think the only thing that is keeping it some what civil is the upcoming election in Israel)
BUT -- President Trumps announcement -- pissed off a LOT of world leaders (and the UN) -- and they may not "sit quietly by for long".....
Please READ Isaiah 17 completely ....
But I wish to draw your attention to a few portions ....
4 “It will happen in that day that the glory of Jacob will be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh will become lean. 5 It will be like when the harvester gathers the wheat, and his arm reaps the grain. Yes, it will be like when one gleans grain in the valley of Rephaim.
Basically sounds like -- EVEN Though Israel will WIN -- it is going to be at GREAT COST -- and basically set up a scenario where it appears Israel is "easy pickings" and that is when the "rest of the countries" come against Israel (maybe the Ezekiel 38 war??)
BUT Based on the ending of Isaiah 17
The War brought against Israel -- will be God's Battle (and it will be very short)
14 At evening, behold, terror! Before the morning, they are no more. This is the portion of those who plunder us, and the lot of those who rob us.
Did you catch that -- they are a terror the night before --- and by Morning -- they are not there anymore...........
Hang On folks -- these current events seem to coming faster and faster......
God is in control .... and His Son Jesus Christ will be here soon!
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Post by Natalie on Apr 5, 2019 8:31:56 GMT -6
Thanks, KJ. It's kind of what I had been thinking, but I hadn't really pulled everything together like he did. I think some would add Ps 83 which supports the inclusion of Lebanon and Hamas as part of that coalition with Syria...a war on more than one front.
I just read through Amos yesterday, and so to see his interpretation that it was the modern attacks on Israel as the transgressions of Syria was interesting. Could very well be.
I look forward to looking up the verses he references later, especially the last part about the trumpet of God. I had often wondered if a lot of this would all happen at one time. Prophecy coming faster and faster until the point where everything breaks forth.
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Post by williaml on Apr 16, 2019 12:49:24 GMT -6
I agree with the basic premise that Isaiah 17 is speaking about an upcoming war that will destroy Damascus. However, I equate this war with the King of the North of Daniel 11:40 --
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. 41 “He shall also enter the Glorious Land..."
The question is, who is the King of the North? It could well be the United States, or the U.S.-led NATO forces. Notice the "shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships." That kind of military power leaves out most nations, including Russia and Turkey, neither of which has much military transport capability by sea. Notice also that he "enters" the Holy Land, but nothing said there about overwhelming, in direct contrast to what he does to Egypt, Libya, and Cush, which are clearly subdued. Neither Israel, Jordan (Ammon and Edom) and Saudi Arabia (Edom) are apparently harmed; all three of which are allied with the Western powers.
So the scenario I expect to see is some kind of severe Islamic "pushing" by against the Western powers by the King of the South (Allah), which will incite an invasion from out of the West. Which invasion will begin to the north of Israel -- that is, in Syria and Lebanon (Hezbollah) -- and proceed southward. Damascus will be destroyed, Lebanon pummeled ["the violence done to Lebanon," Hab. 2:17], Israel occupied, and Islamic North Africa subdued.
And where will the "many ships" come from? Balaam told us that:
Numbers 24:24 But ships shall come from the coasts of Kittim [the western coastlands],
And they shall afflict Asshur and afflict Eber,
So to sum up, I think Setterfield's understanding of the impetus for the coming war may well be correct, but his understanding of who the players will be is not.
Ephraim is not northern Israel any more.
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Post by jp on Apr 18, 2019 8:44:52 GMT -6
I agree with the basic premise that Isaiah 17 is speaking about an upcoming war that will destroy Damascus. However, I equate this war with the King of the North of Daniel 11:40 -- 40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. 41 “ He shall also enter the Glorious Land..."
The question is, who is the King of the North? It could well be the United States, or the U.S.-led NATO forces. Notice the "shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships." That kind of military power leaves out most nations, including Russia and Turkey, neither of which has much military transport capability by sea. Notice also that he "enters" the Holy Land, but nothing said there about overwhelming, in direct contrast to what he does to Egypt, Libya, and Cush, which are clearly subdued. Neither Israel, Jordan (Ammon and Edom) and Saudi Arabia (Edom) are apparently harmed; all three of which are allied with the Western powers. So the scenario I expect to see is some kind of severe Islamic "pushing" by against the Western powers by the King of the South (Allah), which will incite an invasion from out of the West. Which invasion will begin to the north of Israel -- that is, in Syria and Lebanon (Hezbollah) -- and proceed southward. Damascus will be destroyed, Lebanon pummeled ["the violence done to Lebanon," Hab. 2:17], Israel occupied, and Islamic North Africa subdued. And where will the "many ships" come from? Balaam told us that: Numbers 24:24 But ships shall come from the coasts of Kittim [the western coastlands], And they shall afflict Asshur and afflict Eber, So to sum up, I think Setterfield's understanding of the impetus for the coming war may well be correct, but his understanding of who the players will be is not. Ephraim is not northern Israel any more. William, many see Daniel 11 as fulfilled in the past with a foreshadow of the future, but not an exact fulfillment in the future, just a foreshadow. I believe that Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) that the angel uses to send the 144,000 back to earth for their 1260 day ministry to unbelieving humanity. The same event also cracks open the abyss and releases apollyon (antichrist) and its centaurian army and they immediately trample Jerusalem and the area of Israel with ease, not peace. In Rev 8:5 is when the 144,000 are sent back to earth. If you look into the Hebrew for what Damascus becomes, it is ruin of piled rubbish. It does not insinuate it is destroyed by war. An earthquake is a better fit, and Rev 8:5 is perfect timing, because the rest of Isaiah 17 is pointing to the time of the Trumpets. Rev 12 is a timeline of the 144,000 (2 witnesses). The were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017 with the celestial fulfillment, and they will be birthed from the virgin (True believers) at the day of redemption in 2026 (9 years later) at the end of the 70th week. They are believers at the time of their conception and they have DNA from the tribes of Israel. Because they are True believers, they are "caught up" at the day of redemption as seen in Rev 12:5. Rev 12:5 also reveals one of the Churches they represent (male child to rule nations with rod of iron = Church of Thyatira = one of the lampstands of Rev 11:4). Then in Rev 12:6, they are sent back to earth in the vessel prepared by the Almighty (i believe it to be a YUGE ship), and conduct their 1260 day ministry from their headquarters in the ship. In Rev 7 the believers are "caught up" to the clouds and then enter New Jerusalem. It is the same event of Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27, Luke 21:28, 1 Cor 15:52, and 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 2:3, Daniel 9:26, Daniel 12:1, Daniel 12:11 = Rev 12:5 for the 144,000. Rev 7:3 proves to us that the 144,000 are True believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a bond-servant of the Almighty unless they are True believers. Then they are at the Throne and in New Jerusalem as per Rev 12:5 for at least 30 days until they are sent back to earth in Rev 8:5. As you can see in Rev 8:5 when the angel sends the 144,000 to earth, there is an earthquake. I believe the landing spot of the 144,000 is in Bashan (leap forth like a crouching lion from Bashan), which is Northeast of Jerusalem and Southeast of Damascus, but close proximity to Damascus. 50-60 miles, but for a major earthquake, that is a short distance. I believe there is a strong possibility that the earthquake will level Damascus, and release the beast (apollyon/azazel/antichrist) from where he is locked up at. If you look on a satelite image of Al-Safa, it is in close proximity of Bashan, and it fits the bill of where azazel was locked up and where it comes out of. The same event will cause both occurrences. |
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Post by mike on Apr 18, 2019 8:55:40 GMT -6
jp - you've mentioned Azazel a few times in posts. The only reference to Azazel in scripture is the scapegoat in Leviticus. Where are you inserting this information from? Enoch?
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Post by kjs on Apr 18, 2019 9:24:46 GMT -6
I agree with the basic premise that Isaiah 17 is speaking about an upcoming war that will destroy Damascus. However, I equate this war with the King of the North of Daniel 11:40 -- 40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. 41 “ He shall also enter the Glorious Land..."
The question is, who is the King of the North? It could well be the United States, or the U.S.-led NATO forces. Notice the "shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships." That kind of military power leaves out most nations, including Russia and Turkey, neither of which has much military transport capability by sea. Notice also that he "enters" the Holy Land, but nothing said there about overwhelming, in direct contrast to what he does to Egypt, Libya, and Cush, which are clearly subdued. Neither Israel, Jordan (Ammon and Edom) and Saudi Arabia (Edom) are apparently harmed; all three of which are allied with the Western powers. So the scenario I expect to see is some kind of severe Islamic "pushing" by against the Western powers by the King of the South (Allah), which will incite an invasion from out of the West. Which invasion will begin to the north of Israel -- that is, in Syria and Lebanon (Hezbollah) -- and proceed southward. Damascus will be destroyed, Lebanon pummeled ["the violence done to Lebanon," Hab. 2:17], Israel occupied, and Islamic North Africa subdued. And where will the "many ships" come from? Balaam told us that: Numbers 24:24 But ships shall come from the coasts of Kittim [the western coastlands], And they shall afflict Asshur and afflict Eber, So to sum up, I think Setterfield's understanding of the impetus for the coming war may well be correct, but his understanding of who the players will be is not. Ephraim is not northern Israel any more. William, many see Daniel 11 as fulfilled in the past with a foreshadow of the future, but not an exact fulfillment in the future, just a foreshadow. I believe that Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) that the angel uses to send the 144,000 back to earth for their 1260 day ministry to unbelieving humanity. The same event also cracks open the abyss and releases apollyon (antichrist) and its centaurian army and they immediately trample Jerusalem and the area of Israel with ease, not peace. In Rev 8:5 is when the 144,000 are sent back to earth. If you look into the Hebrew for what Damascus becomes, it is ruin of piled rubbish. It does not insinuate it is destroyed by war. An earthquake is a better fit, and Rev 8:5 is perfect timing, because the rest of Isaiah 17 is pointing to the time of the Trumpets. Rev 12 is a timeline of the 144,000 (2 witnesses). The were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017 with the celestial fulfillment, and they will be birthed from the virgin (True believers) at the day of redemption in 2026 (9 years later) at the end of the 70th week. They are believers at the time of their conception and they have DNA from the tribes of Israel. Because they are True believers, they are "caught up" at the day of redemption as seen in Rev 12:5. Rev 12:5 also reveals one of the Churches they represent (male child to rule nations with rod of iron = Church of Thyatira = one of the lampstands of Rev 11:4). Then in Rev 12:6, they are sent back to earth in the vessel prepared by the Almighty (i believe it to be a YUGE ship), and conduct their 1260 day ministry from their headquarters in the ship. In Rev 7 the believers are "caught up" to the clouds and then enter New Jerusalem. It is the same event of Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27, Luke 21:28, 1 Cor 15:52, and 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 2:3, Daniel 9:26, Daniel 12:1, Daniel 12:11 = Rev 12:5 for the 144,000. Rev 7:3 proves to us that the 144,000 are True believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a bond-servant of the Almighty unless they are True believers. Then they are at the Throne and in New Jerusalem as per Rev 12:5 for at least 30 days until they are sent back to earth in Rev 8:5. As you can see in Rev 8:5 when the angel sends the 144,000 to earth, there is an earthquake. I believe the landing spot of the 144,000 is in Bashan (leap forth like a crouching lion from Bashan), which is Northeast of Jerusalem and Southeast of Damascus, but close proximity to Damascus. 50-60 miles, but for a major earthquake, that is a short distance. I believe there is a strong possibility that the earthquake will level Damascus, and release the beast (apollyon/azazel/antichrist) from where he is locked up at. If you look on a satelite image of Al-Safa, it is in close proximity of Bashan, and it fits the bill of where azazel was locked up and where it comes out of. The same event will cause both occurrences.
Just to make sure I am understanding you here when you refer to "its centaurian army" you are in fact calling them the mythical creature army of centaurs? "centaur - A mythical beast having a horse's body with a man's head and torso in place of the head and neck of the horse."
Or is this just a misspelling of "centurion" which is a commander of 100 troops?
Also; when you refer to "Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) " -- you are literally referring to "a hypothetical connection between widely separated regions of space-time."
Now the "YUGE ship" (assume that is HUGE Ship) contains the 144,000 witnesses (for both transportation and housing) during their 1260 days of ministry....
I am finding some of these theories a bit confusing -- considering they are first coming through a worm-hole -- yet in other scenarios they are given a huge ship (assume space-ship).....
So thank you for supplying this information. Now could you back up all of these theories with some scripture?
I mean yes, you have some scripture about the 144,000 and scripture of the destruction of Damascus ....
But where are you obtaining the ideas for worm-holes and huge ships and armies of centaurs?
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Post by boraddict on Apr 18, 2019 18:17:01 GMT -6
William, many see Daniel 11 as fulfilled in the past with a foreshadow of the future, but not an exact fulfillment in the future, just a foreshadow.
I believe that Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) that the angel uses to send the 144,000 back to earth for their 1260 day ministry to unbelieving humanity. The same event also cracks open the abyss and releases apollyon (antichrist) and its centaurian army and they immediately trample Jerusalem and the area of Israel with ease, not peace. In Rev 8:5 is when the 144,000 are sent back to earth. If you look into the Hebrew for what Damascus becomes, it is ruin of piled rubbish. It does not insinuate it is destroyed by war. An earthquake is a better fit, and Rev 8:5 is perfect timing, because the rest of Isaiah 17 is pointing to the time of the Trumpets.
Rev 12 is a timeline of the 144,000 (2 witnesses). The were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017 with the celestial fulfillment, and they will be birthed from the virgin (True believers) at the day of redemption in 2026 (9 years later) at the end of the 70th week. They are believers at the time of their conception and they have DNA from the tribes of Israel. Because they are True believers, they are "caught up" at the day of redemption as seen in Rev 12:5. Rev 12:5 also reveals one of the Churches they represent (male child to rule nations with rod of iron = Church of Thyatira = one of the lampstands of Rev 11:4). Then in Rev 12:6, they are sent back to earth in the vessel prepared by the Almighty (i believe it to be a YUGE ship), and conduct their 1260 day ministry from their headquarters in the ship.
In Rev 7 the believers are "caught up" to the clouds and then enter New Jerusalem. It is the same event of Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27, Luke 21:28, 1 Cor 15:52, and 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 2:3, Daniel 9:26, Daniel 12:1, Daniel 12:11 = Rev 12:5 for the 144,000.
Rev 7:3 proves to us that the 144,000 are True believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a bond-servant of the Almighty unless they are True believers. Then they are at the Throne and in New Jerusalem as per Rev 12:5 for at least 30 days until they are sent back to earth in Rev 8:5. As you can see in Rev 8:5 when the angel sends the 144,000 to earth, there is an earthquake. I believe the landing spot of the 144,000 is in Bashan (leap forth like a crouching lion from Bashan), which is Northeast of Jerusalem and Southeast of Damascus, but close proximity to Damascus. 50-60 miles, but for a major earthquake, that is a short distance.
I believe there is a strong possibility that the earthquake will level Damascus, and release the beast (apollyon/azazel/antichrist) from where he is locked up at. If you look on a satelite image of Al-Safa, it is in close proximity of Bashan, and it fits the bill of where azazel was locked up and where it comes out of. The same event will cause both occurrences.
Hi JP. I am glad that you are still with us and I would like to get to know you a little better. I hope that I am not being to forward but can you tell me the church doctrine that most closely resembles your philosophy. Additionally, where do these items come from and do you consider them to be a part of Christ's doctrine?
1) a worm hole
2) the centaurain army
3) celestial fulfillment
4) Church of Thyatria
5) Bashan
6) azazel
Post Script: Is it okay with you that we debate these items? For me, we are hear at Unsealed to learn Christ's doctrine so that we in turn may be teachers for the masses when the time comes. Thus, I believe that most, if not all the people that frequent this site will go on to be Christ's 144,000. |
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Post by jp on Apr 19, 2019 1:41:36 GMT -6
jp - you've mentioned Azazel a few times in posts. The only reference to Azazel in scripture is the scapegoat in Leviticus. Where are you inserting this information from? Enoch? Hi Mike. This is an area that the translations into the English have destroyed us. There are 2 groups of wicked angels. For example, the entity that deceived "Eve" is not the same entity that tempted the Messiah in the wilderness. The 1st group of 200 were put in Eden with the purpose of being supervisors meant to intercede for the beginning of humanity. The one that convinced the other angels and humans to follow it was azazel. It made a deal with humans to give them advanced knowledge in exchange for wives. It also persuaded the other 199 to join it. They did not want to do it at first. The other 199 have a hierarchal structure with 7 main leaders and one of the 7 leading them. azazel (antichrist) the main leader taught humanity warcraft. samyaza (false prophet) the leader of the 7, taught sorcery, and the other 6 taught humanity advanced knowledge too. The Scripture says that they took wives, but I do not know if it was physical copulation or genetic manipulation, because towards the end by the time of Noah, it says ALL flesh was corrupted, and if you take notice to what the children of azazel look like, it seems to be more like genetic manipulation to me. I do know that the end result was the giants of old, but if you look at the centaurs that come out with apollyon (azazel) they are part horse, part man, part lion, and have wings. Similar to the mythical creatures of old (they say myths have elements of Truth). My speculation is that they artificially inseminated their "wives" with genetically manipulated elements. The Almighty gave them a very long time to repent. From Eden to the flood was almost 2000 years. Now imagine, giants having kids, having kids, having kids, for almost 2000 years, and that is a vast amount of offspring. They grew so vast, that humans could not even produce enough to feed them, and they turned on humans, and then on eachother. The Almighty passed judgment on them and their "seed." He said that they will witness their kids consume eachother and then they will be locked up. That is exactly what happened prior to the flood. Ezekiel 31 cryptically describes it, but the Book of Enoch fills in all the gaps. The Almighty sent Raphael to "Bind azazel hand and foot; cast him into darkness; and opening the desert which is in Dudael, cast him in there.Throw upon him hurled and pointed stones, covering him with darkness;" Then "To Michael likewise the Almighty said, Go and announce his crime to samyaza, and to the others who are with him, who have been associated with women, that they might be polluted with all their impurity. And when all their sons shall be slain, when they shall see the perdition of their beloved, bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of CONSUMMATION, until the judgment, the effect of which will last for ever, be completed." As you can see, these entities are LOCKED UP until the final consummation. It is similar to our death sentence. They are currently in prison on death row awaiting the carrying out of the death sentence. The death sentence is when the Messiah comes down and they get thrown into the burning fire, which is the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 1. It finishes the original transgression 2. It ends the original sin 3. It atones for the original iniquity 4. It brings in the millennial kingdom 5. It is for the time of the end 6. It cleanses the sanctuary 2300 days after their release at the 6th Trumpet The day of atonement has been commemorating this for thousands of years. The Almighty does not put the blame of sin on us, He puts all blame on the one who brought it all in, azazel. We reaped the repercussions for allowing it to enter into humanity, but the Almighty puts the blame on azazel. The 2nd group of wicked angels did not take wives. After Babel, when the Almighty grouped all peoples into the 16 grandsons of Noah, He once again put supervisors (princes) over them. A perfect example is the prince of Persia in Daniel 10:13. Michael is the prince of the sons of Israel. Out of 16, 10 angels rebel, and these are the 10 angels over the 10 nations of Ezekiel 38, and they are the 10 horns. The leader is gog, who Christianity calls satan/devil. They are the Ephesians 6 powers of the cosmos angels, and they get thrown down to earth during the war in heaven, which is Trumpets 1-4. Trumpets 1-5 occur over the 2 day feast of Trumpets here on earth with the release of the beast (azazel) and his children (centaurian army) at the 5th Trumpet. The "thrown down" angels immediately give their allegiance to azazel, and this is the covenant of Daniel 9:27, and it is the same event as 10 horns giving their power/kingdoms/nations to the beast. MEANING, the beast (azazel) is DOMINANT over the devil (gog), aka gog bows down. After this covenant, they immediately conquer Judea and Jerusalem with ease, not peace. Then 5 months later, the rest of the fallen angels are released at the 6th Trumpet, and that begins the 2300 day countdown to the war of the great day, which is the completion of the desolations aka the consummation of the judgment upon the fallen angels. Mike, I hope this helped. |
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Post by jp on Apr 19, 2019 2:46:43 GMT -6
William, many see Daniel 11 as fulfilled in the past with a foreshadow of the future, but not an exact fulfillment in the future, just a foreshadow. I believe that Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) that the angel uses to send the 144,000 back to earth for their 1260 day ministry to unbelieving humanity. The same event also cracks open the abyss and releases apollyon (antichrist) and its centaurian army and they immediately trample Jerusalem and the area of Israel with ease, not peace. In Rev 8:5 is when the 144,000 are sent back to earth. If you look into the Hebrew for what Damascus becomes, it is ruin of piled rubbish. It does not insinuate it is destroyed by war. An earthquake is a better fit, and Rev 8:5 is perfect timing, because the rest of Isaiah 17 is pointing to the time of the Trumpets. Rev 12 is a timeline of the 144,000 (2 witnesses). The were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017 with the celestial fulfillment, and they will be birthed from the virgin (True believers) at the day of redemption in 2026 (9 years later) at the end of the 70th week. They are believers at the time of their conception and they have DNA from the tribes of Israel. Because they are True believers, they are "caught up" at the day of redemption as seen in Rev 12:5. Rev 12:5 also reveals one of the Churches they represent (male child to rule nations with rod of iron = Church of Thyatira = one of the lampstands of Rev 11:4). Then in Rev 12:6, they are sent back to earth in the vessel prepared by the Almighty (i believe it to be a YUGE ship), and conduct their 1260 day ministry from their headquarters in the ship. In Rev 7 the believers are "caught up" to the clouds and then enter New Jerusalem. It is the same event of Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27, Luke 21:28, 1 Cor 15:52, and 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 2:3, Daniel 9:26, Daniel 12:1, Daniel 12:11 = Rev 12:5 for the 144,000. Rev 7:3 proves to us that the 144,000 are True believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a bond-servant of the Almighty unless they are True believers. Then they are at the Throne and in New Jerusalem as per Rev 12:5 for at least 30 days until they are sent back to earth in Rev 8:5. As you can see in Rev 8:5 when the angel sends the 144,000 to earth, there is an earthquake. I believe the landing spot of the 144,000 is in Bashan (leap forth like a crouching lion from Bashan), which is Northeast of Jerusalem and Southeast of Damascus, but close proximity to Damascus. 50-60 miles, but for a major earthquake, that is a short distance. I believe there is a strong possibility that the earthquake will level Damascus, and release the beast (apollyon/azazel/antichrist) from where he is locked up at. If you look on a satelite image of Al-Safa, it is in close proximity of Bashan, and it fits the bill of where azazel was locked up and where it comes out of. The same event will cause both occurrences.
Just to make sure I am understanding you here when you refer to "its centaurian army" you are in fact calling them the mythical creature army of centaurs? "centaur - A mythical beast having a horse's body with a man's head and torso in place of the head and neck of the horse."
Or is this just a misspelling of "centurion" which is a commander of 100 troops?
Also; when you refer to "Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) " -- you are literally referring to "a hypothetical connection between widely separated regions of space-time."
Now the "YUGE ship" (assume that is HUGE Ship) contains the 144,000 witnesses (for both transportation and housing) during their 1260 days of ministry....
I am finding some of these theories a bit confusing -- considering they are first coming through a worm-hole -- yet in other scenarios they are given a huge ship (assume space-ship).....
So thank you for supplying this information. Now could you back up all of these theories with some scripture?
I mean yes, you have some scripture about the 144,000 and scripture of the destruction of Damascus ....
But where are you obtaining the ideas for worm-holes and huge ships and armies of centaurs?
Hi KJS. 1. Centaurian army. It is the children (some of the giants of old) of azazel aka apollyon. If you read my response to Mike, you will get a clearer idea of where i am coming from. Rev 9 the 5th Trumpet is when they come out. Rev 9:7-11 gives the appearance of the centaurs. 2. To better understand where i am coming from concerning the wormhole, i have to explain what i believe concerning when the Father and Son are here, where they are, and what they are in. I believe there are at least 2 wormholes in Revelation, and if the 144,000 are transported to earth by 1, then there will be 3. The 1st wormhole is the open door in heaven of Rev 4:1. This open door is the same open door that the Messiah speaks about in Matt 7:23, Matt 25:10, Luke 12:36, Luke 13:24-25, and Rev 3:8. I believe they are all the same event, and it is the "judgment that begins in the house of the Almighty." The wise virgins/servants/Church of Philadelphia are judged as "worthy to escape all these things," and allowed entry into New Jerusalem immediately prior to the "sudden destruction" that starts the TRIAL, and it fulfills the promise the Messiah gave to ONLY them concerning being removed prior to the TRIAL. Rev 4 and 5 are the fulfillments of the promises that the Messiah gives to the Church of Philadelphia concerning crowns and pillar in New Jerusalem. The elders are the wise virgins. They receive golden crowns = Rev 3:11 fulfilled and thrones = Rev 3:12 fulfilled, and because they are in New Jerusalem prior to the Seals being opened, they are removed from the trial. I believe the open door in heaven to be the 1st wormhole, and it is small, because it only has to be big enough to fit people through, and they go to New Jerusalem. Where is New Jerusalem? i am not %100. I would speculate in its own dimension or at the beginning of the universe. The 2nd wormhole is the "sign of the Son of Man." It is seen in Rev 6:14. The energy (mighty wind) from it opening is what pushes space debris at earth and causes the "stars of heaven to fall, and the powers of heaven to be shaken." Then when it opens is the actual "sign of the Son of Man," because everyone on planet earth will see, and feel it. This wormhole is gigantic, because New Jerusalem comes through it in Rev 6:16-17, and then New Jerusalem is here in near space (between us and the moon) from that point until it comes down after the 1000 years. The Almighty is waiting for the earth to be totally cleansed from evil before He comes down to Tabernacle with us aka new earth = clean. When New Jerusalem comes through the wormhole, it disrupts our rotation and knocks the g-forces that keeps our crust stable out of wack, and since the crust is floating on liquid, that is what moves EVERY mountain and island out of their places and causes "the earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack," New Jerusalem is almost the size of the moon, and it has a shell of 200'+ of diamond, so it will be an awesome sight to behold. The world hides, because they know what the 5th Seal martyrs were saying and they know that they killed the 5th Seal martyrs and the Messiah is coming back in response. Once New Jerusalem is here, the Messiah sends out His angels to gather His people into the clouds to be brought into New Jerusalem. The LAST TRUMP is actually a war preparation, and Paul's audience knew this, but he tells us this in 1 Cor 14:8. The Messiah is finishing the final war preparation by securing His people, the dead, and those that REMAIN (because they miss the 1st rapture) into New Jerusalem prior to executing the war in heaven, which is Trumpets 1-4. As you can see by what Rev 7 says about the 7th Seal, His people are in New Jerusalem at the Throne, in fulfillment of the Pentecost pilgrimage aka the jubilee feast/day of redemption. 3. I believe the "golden censer" in Rev 8 is a ship, or maybe vessel is a better term, since i do not believe it moves after it lands. If i am able to paste a link here of what the censer looks like, you will get a better understanding why i believe it to be a ship. I concluded this, because i know the 144,000 are "caught up" with the other believers, and i know that they are back on earth for the 1260 days ministry at the same time apollyon is released from the abyss. The only place in Scripture that fits this sequence is Rev 8:5, and if you see a picture of the golden censer, it is pretty clear to me that it is the place prepared by the Almighty. Since New Jerusalem is almost as big as the moon, a ship that can house millions of people is minute compared to it. If the Temple in New Jerusalem is on a scale of the Temple here on earth, that would make the Temple in New Jerusalem about the size of Texas. So a ship to house millions is nothing compared to its massiveness. I do not know how the ship gets from New Jerusalem to earth, but i do know that it causes an earthquake, so i figured the energy of a small wormhole opening would fit the bill. So to answer your question, the whole ship/vessel (golden censer) would come through the wormhole, not just people. This is the link for the golden censer www.templeinstitute.org/incense-offering-shovel-gallery.htm |
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Post by jp on Apr 19, 2019 4:16:42 GMT -6
William, many see Daniel 11 as fulfilled in the past with a foreshadow of the future, but not an exact fulfillment in the future, just a foreshadow.
I believe that Damascus is destroyed by the mode of transportation (probably a wormhole) that the angel uses to send the 144,000 back to earth for their 1260 day ministry to unbelieving humanity. The same event also cracks open the abyss and releases apollyon (antichrist) and its centaurian army and they immediately trample Jerusalem and the area of Israel with ease, not peace. In Rev 8:5 is when the 144,000 are sent back to earth. If you look into the Hebrew for what Damascus becomes, it is ruin of piled rubbish. It does not insinuate it is destroyed by war. An earthquake is a better fit, and Rev 8:5 is perfect timing, because the rest of Isaiah 17 is pointing to the time of the Trumpets.
Rev 12 is a timeline of the 144,000 (2 witnesses). The were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017 with the celestial fulfillment, and they will be birthed from the virgin (True believers) at the day of redemption in 2026 (9 years later) at the end of the 70th week. They are believers at the time of their conception and they have DNA from the tribes of Israel. Because they are True believers, they are "caught up" at the day of redemption as seen in Rev 12:5. Rev 12:5 also reveals one of the Churches they represent (male child to rule nations with rod of iron = Church of Thyatira = one of the lampstands of Rev 11:4). Then in Rev 12:6, they are sent back to earth in the vessel prepared by the Almighty (i believe it to be a YUGE ship), and conduct their 1260 day ministry from their headquarters in the ship.
In Rev 7 the believers are "caught up" to the clouds and then enter New Jerusalem. It is the same event of Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27, Luke 21:28, 1 Cor 15:52, and 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 2:3, Daniel 9:26, Daniel 12:1, Daniel 12:11 = Rev 12:5 for the 144,000.
Rev 7:3 proves to us that the 144,000 are True believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a bond-servant of the Almighty unless they are True believers. Then they are at the Throne and in New Jerusalem as per Rev 12:5 for at least 30 days until they are sent back to earth in Rev 8:5. As you can see in Rev 8:5 when the angel sends the 144,000 to earth, there is an earthquake. I believe the landing spot of the 144,000 is in Bashan (leap forth like a crouching lion from Bashan), which is Northeast of Jerusalem and Southeast of Damascus, but close proximity to Damascus. 50-60 miles, but for a major earthquake, that is a short distance.
I believe there is a strong possibility that the earthquake will level Damascus, and release the beast (apollyon/azazel/antichrist) from where he is locked up at. If you look on a satelite image of Al-Safa, it is in close proximity of Bashan, and it fits the bill of where azazel was locked up and where it comes out of. The same event will cause both occurrences.
Hi JP. I am glad that you are still with us and I would like to get to know you a little better. I hope that I am not being to forward but can you tell me the church doctrine that most closely resembles your philosophy. Additionally, where do these items come from and do you consider them to be a part of Christ's doctrine?
1) a worm hole
2) the centaurain army
3) celestial fulfillment
4) Church of Thyatria
5) Bashan
6) azazel
Post Script: Is it okay with you that we debate these items? For me, we are hear at Unsealed to learn Christ's doctrine so that we in turn may be teachers for the masses when the time comes. Thus, I believe that most, if not all the people that frequent this site will go on to be Christ's 144,000.Hi Boraddict. I believe the Messiah/Christ warns us concerning "church doctrine" in Rev 2:14. When you look into the Greek concerning Rev 2:14, teaching = doctrine, and balaam = false teachings/doctrines of men, eating sacrificed things/act of immorality = idolatry. i believe what the Messiah is saying is that the doctrines of men will be a stumbling block for True believers, and that some will worship the doctrines of men (knowingly and unknowingly), rather than the Messiah. The Messiah tells us in John 16:13 that He leads us to ALL Truth, and in 1 John 2:27 that He teaches us ALL things. So to answer your question, I go straight to the Messiah in prayer with my questions, seek Him out in His Word, research as many translations as possible, the Greek/Hebrew, and keep knocking to Him, until He opens the door of His Truth. Am i %100 accurate, no, but that is the formula i use, and He always answers me. Occasionally i will jump to a conclusion before He is finished, and that's where an error can come from, but i am very close to Him, and i have been doing it for so long that i usually do not jump to conclusions before He opens the door, and when i do err, i am not afraid to admit it, because my quest is for His Truth. There are some things that i am certain of (these i would consider to be "Christ's doctrine), and there are other things that i will say i believe, meaning i believe that is how it will play out, but it is just a personal speculative belief (these would be things i consider that Christ gave me the insight to see how it will play out in the 21st century). So to address you questions: 1. Please read my response to KJS, and that should clarify my wormhole take in Scripture. 2. The centaurian army (they are actually the children of apollyon) comes out of the abyss (prison) with their leader, "the angel of the abyss" apollyon (azazel/antichrist) in Rev 9. They immediately trample Judea and Jerusalem with ease, not peace. This is the start of the 42 months of Rev 11. The 42 and 1260 run parallel. 3. Celestial fulfillment = 9/23/2017. The Rev 12:1 celestial fulfillment occurred on 9/23/2017. Rev 12 is a timeline for the 144,000 (2 witnesses of Rev 11). They were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017, meaning they were tagged on 9/23/2017. They are True believers with DNA from the tribes mentioned in Rev 7. They probably have no clue that they have DNA from Jacob. Rev 7:3 confirms they are believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a servant of the Almighty by not being a believer. Rev 12 Timeline: Rev 12:1 = 9/23/2017 Rev 12:2 is the time right before their birth, which is the 6th Seal Matt 24:7-8 confirms that SEALS 2-4 are only the birth pains. Rev 12:2 is telling us that it is immediately before birth.
Rev 12:3 = shows us the alliance/covenant that makes up the beast of the sea the 7 heads are the 7 leading fallen angels who are released from prison at the 6th Trumpet, and the 10 horns are the 10 rebel angels lead by gog/satan who are "thrown down"
Rev 12:4 = the result of the angels rebellion causes the war in heaven, and the fallout on earth is seen with 1/3 of earth being completely annihilated. Rev 12:4 = Rev 8:12 Rev 12:4 = the alliance going after the virgin (True believers). When the war in heaven occurs, and the beast is released, there are no believers left on earth. They are all removed at the 7th Seal. When the 144,000 get sent back down to begin their 1260 day ministry, this is the only threat to the beasts, so they want to kill them ASAP. Rev 12:5 = the birth of the 144,000 at the day of redemption. They are "caught up," raptured with the other believers at the day of redemption at the 7th Seal. While they are in New Jerusalem (at the Throne), they are sealed, given power, and trained for the 1260 day ministry for at least 30 days. Rev 12:5 = shows us part of the Church that make up the 144,000. Rev 11:4 = 2 witnesses = 2 olive trees (Israel is the olive tree) and 2 lampstands (Churches are the lampstands Rev 1:20), meaning the 144,000 are the 2 witnesses
Rev 12:5 "she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:" = Rev 2:26-27, meaning 1 lampstand that makes up the 144,000 is the Church of Thyatira
Rev 12:6 = when the 144,000 are sent back to earth, they escape (flee) the beasts to a secluded place (wilderness) prepared by the Almighty (golder censer/ship/vessel), where they conduct their 1260 day ministry and grow in numbers (nourished), meaning they are winning unbelievers to the Messiah. Rev 12:7-12 = war in heaven = Trumpets 1-4 = Rev 12:12 woe to the earth = Rev 8:7 the 1st Trumpet hits the earth and woe to the sea = Rev 8:8 the 2nd Trumpet hits the sea Rev 12:13 = 1st must understand who the woman/virgin is. A virgin is a True believer that ONLY worships the Messiah/Almighty. A harlot is someone who puts other things in their life in place of the Messiah = idolatry So when it says the woman/virgin, it is speaking about True believers. The 144,000 are birthed from believers, and after the 7th Seal, all of humanity is unbelievers, so when the Scripture says the woman/virgin after the 7th Seal, it is speaking about the 144,000, then after they are killed and raptured, then their "seed/remnant" aka the NEW believers are the woman/virgin….a little complicated to follow, but it can be navigated.
Rev 12:13 = the beasts want the 144,000 dead, and when they set up the MARK, that is when they kill them. I believe the 144,000 give themselves up as an example, just like Christ did, and then the NEW believers see all the miralces that follow the death of the 144,000 Rev 12:13 = Rev 11:7 Rev 12:14 = Rev 11:11-12 = resurrection and rapture of 144,000 aka 3rd rapture = in New Jerusalem for the final 3.5 years (Bowls) = Rev 14:1-5 Rev 12:15-16 = Rev 11:13 = earth helping the woman/virgin who is now the NEW believers that the 144,000 win to the Messiah Rev 12:17 = Rev 14:13-16 = the beasts kill ALL who refuse the MARK, and the NEW believers who refuse it get raptured up immediately after they are killed = Rev 15:2 The GREAT TRIBULATION is only the 45 days from the end of the 1290 until the 1335 of Daniel 12:11-12. The BLESSED in Daniel 12:12 is the same BLESSED in Rev 14:13. There are 2 tribulations. The Messiah tells us that the tribulations are ONLY the short periods of time when people are KILLED for faith in Him. The 1st tribulation is the 5th Seal = Matt 24:9, and the 2nd tribulation is the great tribulation. 4. Bashan…that is very complicated, and it would take way too long for me to type out, but long story short: i believe the 5th Seal martyrs have DNA from the tribe of Dan, and their prayers are mixed with the 144,000's ministry in Rev 8:3. It was prophesied in Deuteronomy 33:22 that Dan would leap from Bashan, but most scholars believe that this was never fulfilled. When i looked at a satellite image of the ancient area of Bashan, it looks like a perfect place to land a ship/vessel that is big enough to house millions of people, and it is also in close proximity to Damascus and where i believe apollyon comes out of, so if it is Bashan where the 144,000 land, then it makes for a very strong possibility that the earthquake of Rev 8:5 is what crumbles Damascus and also cracks open (Rev 9) the abyss for apollyon and his minions to come out. 5. Please read my response to Mike concerning azazel, but long story short it is the original name for apollyon. apollyon and abbadon just mean destroyers in the Hebrew and Greek, so what it is saying is that apollyon is the one that comes out to go to perdition (destroy). The antichrist comes out to destroy, NOT make peace, and they immediately conquer Judea and Jerusalem. Read Rev 9 concerning the centaurs, and then try to imagine humans being able to do anything, which is why they are saying, "who is like the beasts, and who is able to make war with them." Not to mention the earth has been devastated and probably back in the dark ages from the Seals and Trumpets 1-5. I hope this helps. |
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Post by boraddict on Apr 19, 2019 17:30:35 GMT -6
Hi JP. I am glad that you are still with us and I would like to get to know you a little better. I hope that I am not being to forward but can you tell me the church doctrine that most closely resembles your philosophy. Additionally, where do these items come from and do you consider them to be a part of Christ's doctrine?
1) a worm hole
2) the centaurain army
3) celestial fulfillment
4) Church of Thyatria
5) Bashan
6) azazel
Post Script: Is it okay with you that we debate these items? For me, we are hear at Unsealed to learn Christ's doctrine so that we in turn may be teachers for the masses when the time comes. Thus, I believe that most, if not all the people that frequent this site will go on to be Christ's 144,000.Hi Boraddict. I believe the Messiah/Christ warns us concerning "church doctrine" in Rev 2:14. When you look into the Greek concerning Rev 2:14, teaching = doctrine, and balaam = false teachings/doctrines of men, eating sacrificed things/act of immorality = idolatry. i believe what the Messiah is saying is that the doctrines of men will be a stumbling block for True believers, and that some will worship the doctrines of men (knowingly and unknowingly), rather than the Messiah. The Messiah tells us in John 16:13 that He leads us to ALL Truth, and in 1 John 2:27 that He teaches us ALL things. So to answer your question, I go straight to the Messiah in prayer with my questions, seek Him out in His Word, research as many translations as possible, the Greek/Hebrew, and keep knocking to Him, until He opens the door of His Truth. Am i %100 accurate, no, but that is the formula i use, and He always answers me. Occasionally i will jump to a conclusion before He is finished, and that's where an error can come from, but i am very close to Him, and i have been doing it for so long that i usually do not jump to conclusions before He opens the door, and when i do err, i am not afraid to admit it, because my quest is for His Truth. There are some things that i am certain of (these i would consider to be "Christ's doctrine), and there are other things that i will say i believe, meaning i believe that is how it will play out, but it is just a personal speculative belief (these would be things i consider that Christ gave me the insight to see how it will play out in the 21st century). So to address you questions: 1. Please read my response to KJS, and that should clarify my wormhole take in Scripture. 2. The centaurian army (they are actually the children of apollyon) comes out of the abyss (prison) with their leader, "the angel of the abyss" apollyon (azazel/antichrist) in Rev 9. They immediately trample Judea and Jerusalem with ease, not peace. This is the start of the 42 months of Rev 11. The 42 and 1260 run parallel. 3. Celestial fulfillment = 9/23/2017. The Rev 12:1 celestial fulfillment occurred on 9/23/2017. Rev 12 is a timeline for the 144,000 (2 witnesses of Rev 11). They were spiritually conceived on 9/23/2017, meaning they were tagged on 9/23/2017. They are True believers with DNA from the tribes mentioned in Rev 7. They probably have no clue that they have DNA from Jacob. Rev 7:3 confirms they are believers prior to being sealed. One can not be a servant of the Almighty by not being a believer. Rev 12 Timeline: Rev 12:1 = 9/23/2017 Rev 12:2 is the time right before their birth, which is the 6th Seal Matt 24:7-8 confirms that SEALS 2-4 are only the birth pains. Rev 12:2 is telling us that it is immediately before birth.
Rev 12:3 = shows us the alliance/covenant that makes up the beast of the sea the 7 heads are the 7 leading fallen angels who are released from prison at the 6th Trumpet, and the 10 horns are the 10 rebel angels lead by gog/satan who are "thrown down"
Rev 12:4 = the result of the angels rebellion causes the war in heaven, and the fallout on earth is seen with 1/3 of earth being completely annihilated. Rev 12:4 = Rev 8:12 Rev 12:4 = the alliance going after the virgin (True believers). When the war in heaven occurs, and the beast is released, there are no believers left on earth. They are all removed at the 7th Seal. When the 144,000 get sent back down to begin their 1260 day ministry, this is the only threat to the beasts, so they want to kill them ASAP. Rev 12:5 = the birth of the 144,000 at the day of redemption. They are "caught up," raptured with the other believers at the day of redemption at the 7th Seal. While they are in New Jerusalem (at the Throne), they are sealed, given power, and trained for the 1260 day ministry for at least 30 days. Rev 12:5 = shows us part of the Church that make up the 144,000. Rev 11:4 = 2 witnesses = 2 olive trees (Israel is the olive tree) and 2 lampstands (Churches are the lampstands Rev 1:20), meaning the 144,000 are the 2 witnesses
Rev 12:5 "she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:" = Rev 2:26-27, meaning 1 lampstand that makes up the 144,000 is the Church of Thyatira
Rev 12:6 = when the 144,000 are sent back to earth, they escape (flee) the beasts to a secluded place (wilderness) prepared by the Almighty (golder censer/ship/vessel), where they conduct their 1260 day ministry and grow in numbers (nourished), meaning they are winning unbelievers to the Messiah. Rev 12:7-12 = war in heaven = Trumpets 1-4 = Rev 12:12 woe to the earth = Rev 8:7 the 1st Trumpet hits the earth and woe to the sea = Rev 8:8 the 2nd Trumpet hits the sea Rev 12:13 = 1st must understand who the woman/virgin is. A virgin is a True believer that ONLY worships the Messiah/Almighty. A harlot is someone who puts other things in their life in place of the Messiah = idolatry So when it says the woman/virgin, it is speaking about True believers. The 144,000 are birthed from believers, and after the 7th Seal, all of humanity is unbelievers, so when the Scripture says the woman/virgin after the 7th Seal, it is speaking about the 144,000, then after they are killed and raptured, then their "seed/remnant" aka the NEW believers are the woman/virgin….a little complicated to follow, but it can be navigated.
Rev 12:13 = the beasts want the 144,000 dead, and when they set up the MARK, that is when they kill them. I believe the 144,000 give themselves up as an example, just like Christ did, and then the NEW believers see all the miralces that follow the death of the 144,000 Rev 12:13 = Rev 11:7 Rev 12:14 = Rev 11:11-12 = resurrection and rapture of 144,000 aka 3rd rapture = in New Jerusalem for the final 3.5 years (Bowls) = Rev 14:1-5 Rev 12:15-16 = Rev 11:13 = earth helping the woman/virgin who is now the NEW believers that the 144,000 win to the Messiah Rev 12:17 = Rev 14:13-16 = the beasts kill ALL who refuse the MARK, and the NEW believers who refuse it get raptured up immediately after they are killed = Rev 15:2 The GREAT TRIBULATION is only the 45 days from the end of the 1290 until the 1335 of Daniel 12:11-12. The BLESSED in Daniel 12:12 is the same BLESSED in Rev 14:13. There are 2 tribulations. The Messiah tells us that the tribulations are ONLY the short periods of time when people are KILLED for faith in Him. The 1st tribulation is the 5th Seal = Matt 24:9, and the 2nd tribulation is the great tribulation. 4. Bashan…that is very complicated, and it would take way too long for me to type out, but long story short: i believe the 5th Seal martyrs have DNA from the tribe of Dan, and their prayers are mixed with the 144,000's ministry in Rev 8:3. It was prophesied in Deuteronomy 33:22 that Dan would leap from Bashan, but most scholars believe that this was never fulfilled. When i looked at a satellite image of the ancient area of Bashan, it looks like a perfect place to land a ship/vessel that is big enough to house millions of people, and it is also in close proximity to Damascus and where i believe apollyon comes out of, so if it is Bashan where the 144,000 land, then it makes for a very strong possibility that the earthquake of Rev 8:5 is what crumbles Damascus and also cracks open (Rev 9) the abyss for apollyon and his minions to come out. 5. Please read my response to Mike concerning azazel, but long story short it is the original name for apollyon. apollyon and abbadon just mean destroyers in the Hebrew and Greek, so what it is saying is that apollyon is the one that comes out to go to perdition (destroy). The antichrist comes out to destroy, NOT make peace, and they immediately conquer Judea and Jerusalem. Read Rev 9 concerning the centaurs, and then try to imagine humans being able to do anything, which is why they are saying, "who is like the beasts, and who is able to make war with them." Not to mention the earth has been devastated and probably back in the dark ages from the Seals and Trumpets 1-5. I hope this helps. Thanks JP. I would like to start a new thread, if that is alright with you, in which we can explore some of your concepts. For instance, and correct me if I am wrong, you agree with me that Christ has a doctrine and that doctrine is the same for you and me alike. I mean, Christ is God and he is the same today and tomorrow and his doctrine is the same today and tomorrow. Thus, the doctrine he teaches today to you is the same doctrine that he teaches today to me; correct? Additionally, if the doctrine of God that I understand is different than the doctrine of God that you understand then either one of us is wrong or both of us are wrong. So if this is agreeable then let's start with specific details about the fifth seal (Rev. 6:9-11, KJV). I do not find in these verses that these people have DNA from the tribe of Dan nor do I find that their prayers are "mixed with the 144,000's ministry in Rev. 8:3." Can you provide scriptural evidence to your propositions and if not then we can conclude that these two concepts are yours that are not supported by scripture. Remember, Christ always used supporting scriptural evidence to prove his teachings. Thus, we likewise should follow his example and provide supporting scriptural evidence for any claim that we might have concerning God's doctrine. |
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Post by boraddict on Apr 20, 2019 6:39:28 GMT -6
I agree with the basic premise that Isaiah 17 is speaking about an upcoming war that will destroy Damascus. However, I equate this war with the King of the North of Daniel 11:40 -- 40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. 41 “ He shall also enter the Glorious Land..."
The question is, who is the King of the North? It could well be the United States, or the U.S.-led NATO forces. Notice the "shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships." That kind of military power leaves out most nations, including Russia and Turkey, neither of which has much military transport capability by sea. Notice also that he "enters" the Holy Land, but nothing said there about overwhelming, in direct contrast to what he does to Egypt, Libya, and Cush, which are clearly subdued. Neither Israel, Jordan (Ammon and Edom) and Saudi Arabia (Edom) are apparently harmed; all three of which are allied with the Western powers. So the scenario I expect to see is some kind of severe Islamic "pushing" by against the Western powers by the King of the South (Allah), which will incite an invasion from out of the West. Which invasion will begin to the north of Israel -- that is, in Syria and Lebanon (Hezbollah) -- and proceed southward. Damascus will be destroyed, Lebanon pummeled ["the violence done to Lebanon," Hab. 2:17], Israel occupied, and Islamic North Africa subdued. And where will the "many ships" come from? Balaam told us that: Numbers 24:24 But ships shall come from the coasts of Kittim [the western coastlands], And they shall afflict Asshur and afflict Eber, So to sum up, I think Setterfield's understanding of the impetus for the coming war may well be correct, but his understanding of who the players will be is not. Ephraim is not northern Israel any more.
The king of the North is in my view the leader of an Islamic Caliphate which may consist of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc. AKA the Revelation 13 beast. The king of the South is the Saudi Caliphate situated around the Arabian Peninsula and Northern Africa, the Revelation 17 beast. Just a side note and not to derail your conversation but Eber is the OT name that came down through time to become Hebrew (Gen. 10:24, 11:14-17, Num. 24:24, Luke 3:35). We saw Russian ships come to port in Syria a few years ago and they still come today. My take on the king of the north is Russia with her underlings being the Islamic Caliphate as you have mentioned. In contrast the king of the south is the United States with her underlings consisting of Eber (Israel) Saudi Caliphate etc. We see these two sides in Yemen, Syria, and a few other places in the middle east. I think Ashur would be Syria. |
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Post by williaml on Apr 23, 2019 9:40:59 GMT -6
Ashur and Eber are likely northern and southern Iraq. Kittim is typically known as Cyprus and the US 6th fleet may still be there.
The king of the North is in my view the leader of an Islamic Caliphate which may consist of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, etc. AKA the Revelation 13 beast. The king of the South is the Saudi Caliphate situated around the Arabian Peninsula and Northern Africa, the Revelation 17 beast. Just a side note and not to derail your conversation but Eber is the OT name that came down through time to become Hebrew (Gen. 10:24, 11:14-17, Num. 24:24, Luke 3:35). We saw Russian ships come to port in Syria a few years ago and they still come today. My take on the king of the north is Russia with her underlings being the Islamic Caliphate as you have mentioned. In contrast the king of the south is the United States with her underlings consisting of Eber (Israel) Saudi Caliphate etc. We see these two sides in Yemen, Syria, and a few other places in the middle east. I think Ashur would be Syria. Daniel 11:29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter. 30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage. So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation."
This prophecy about Antiochus Epiphanes's second invasion of Egypt says that it was to be thwarted by "ships of Kittim." Historically, we know that those were a Roman fleet commanded by Popilius Laenus.
According to the Book of Jasher, which was written in the same era as the prophecy by Balaam about ships of Kittim in Numbers 24, the Kittim were the tribe who became the Romans:
Jasher 10:16 And the children of Kittim are the Romim who dwell in the valley of Canopia [Canopus] by the river Tibreu [Tiber].
Eber is the Hebrews, Ashur was the region extending from southern Turkey through eastern Syria and northern Iraq.
Thus the Kittim in the Latter Days are not likely to represent anyone outside of a Western European and/or NATO alliance.
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