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Post by glennjohn on Mar 19, 2019 18:43:40 GMT -6
2 Corinthians 6:14-17
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
I thought this was interesting, as someone who grew up in the Mormon church (I left at age 17 and became an atheist), I would never thought I'd see something like this. As a born again many years later it doesn't surprise me, but it certainly speaks to the times we are in. What I thought was most interesting is that according to the prophet himself doctrinal differences aren't the most important thing. But what can you expect from a false prophet? Prophet Nelson presented the pope with an idol of Jesus, as you can see below. I thought it would be interesting to also compile additional meetings with other denominational leaders also.
We see many mainline protestants meeting with the Pope. In fact I don't believe any pope has pushed for the ecumenical church more than Francis. Methodist leaders recently celebrated 50 years of dialogue with the Catholic church.
Pope Francis meets with German Lutheran Church leaders below:
There are dozens of more examples. My cousin attends a mega church unfortunately, and his leaders within the last year met with the pope also. It's happening.
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Post by boraddict on Mar 20, 2019 0:57:01 GMT -6
Hi Glen. Thank you for your posting. Have you been to this site before or did you just now find it? That little Christus idol; how can I count the ways. A few years ago I walked into a friend's house and that little guy was on the counter-top and it was spooky.  One can't help but love such an idol. That little guy came about after 1980 with the then LDS church president saying that some art work that he had seen was the most accurate semblance of the Savior. Like he (Kimball) had actually seen Lord Jesus. Really? I do not think the Savior is European as is the Christus idol. To think men of God would show such glee (in the photo) over a little idol. Oh, these are not men of God but wolves in sheep's clothing. It is disgusting! Serve the little idol on a golden platter to the liar among liars. In the photo Nelson appears that he has never seen this LDS idol. If I was there I would smash it against wall and shout "You disguising thieves; may you go to hell where you belong for mocking the Savior." I need to remind myself that I am not like that anymore. You know like in the movie Anger Management: u-fa-ba, u-fa-ba, u-fa-ba. There is nothing wrong with growing up LDS and I know many of that faith that are reasonably good people. However, their arrogance sickens me. For them if their false prophet or other church leaders do not say it, then it is not true. Like they have the corner on truth. Yet, when Ron Wyatt proved Noah's Ark was in Turkey, where were these men of God. Who stood by Wyatt; a man disowned by this own Seventh Day Adventist church. No one but the followers of Christ and God himself stood with him. Where were these false prophets when Wyatt found the Egyptian Chariots at the bottom of the Red Sea. Where were they when he located the real Mt. Sinai. No this man (Wyatt) stood on his own with the support of his family but no religious organization. Where were these LDS false prophets then? They were making their millions of dollars and teaching others to do the same. Now I will say that I like Joseph Smith and believe that Brigham Young was the real snake in the woods. They themselves conspired to kill Smith and subsequently spread viscous rumors about his work. Sidney Rigdon hated Smith and moved east to be away from him. Then after Smith was killed they all fought like rabid wolves for that top inglorious position of prophet, seer, and revelator. It was a time of pure wickedness upon those people that were manipulated to give their all. Yes Smith gets the blame but the history is incorrect. His own people conspired to kill him and that is the real story of the LDS church leaders. Do not get in their way or they will remove you. Yet they appear to be so squeaky clean. Not the general membership mind you but the lying leaders. Have I said enough? I could go on for hours. |
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Post by glennjohn on Mar 20, 2019 11:14:14 GMT -6
boraddict Hi, it's a pleasure to meet you. I have actually been a long time lurker on this website. I enjoy seeing what other brothers and sisters have to say regarding the rapture, and similarly to many on here, left the post trib/pre wrath worldview behind. I haven't really seen anybody mention Mormonism as being a part of the Ecumenical Church, so felt the need to throw it out there. My parents have a similar statue on their mantel piece, and it hurts me beyond measure that they know of Jesus Christ but that they don't actually have a personal relationship with him. Not to mention they don't think he is God incarnate, but rather just a man whose sibling is Satan. I share similar sentiments regarding the Mormon faith. I can appreciate their vigor regarding strong moral values and the family. I loved that I was privileged to be a part of the Boy Scouts in the Mormon church growing up, but I can't dismiss that it's a church centered around self righteous pride and deceit. I can't say I share the same opinion on Smith, primarily because he asserts he did more than Jesus Christ himself: This is exactly the same arrogant spirit that permeates the church today. I could go on and on about Smith, and I recommend anybody who is curious to read Grant Palmer's work An Insider's View of Mormon Origins. What frustrates me is that it doesn't take much research to know the Mormon church is completely false. Dozens upon dozens of false prophecies throughout it's history, the book of Abraham's papyrus has been translated to illustrate Smith lied in it's translation, Reformed Egyptian doesn't exist, Smith believed in the forged Kinderhook plates, I could go on, and on. Smith created the Book of Mormon, by scrying, channeling the dark spirits of our world. 1 Thessalonians 5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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Post by boraddict on Mar 20, 2019 13:16:09 GMT -6
boraddict Hi, it's a pleasure to meet you. I have actually been a long time lurker on this website. I enjoy seeing what other brothers and sisters have to say regarding the rapture, and similarly to many on here, left the post trib/pre wrath worldview behind. I haven't really seen anybody mention Mormonism as being a part of the Ecumenical Church, so felt the need to throw it out there. My parents have a similar statue on their mantel piece, and it hurts me beyond measure that they know of Jesus Christ but that they don't actually have a personal relationship with him. Not to mention they don't think he is God incarnate, but rather just a man whose sibling is Satan. I share similar sentiments regarding the Mormon faith. I can appreciate their vigor regarding strong moral values and the family. I loved that I was privileged to be a part of the Boy Scouts in the Mormon church growing up, but I can't dismiss that it's a church centered around self righteous pride and deceit. I can't say I share the same opinion on Smith, primarily because he asserts he did more than Jesus Christ himself: This is exactly the same arrogant spirit that permeates the church today. I could go on and on about Smith, and I recommend anybody who is curious to read Grant Palmer's work An Insider's View of Mormon Origins. What frustrates me is that it doesn't take much research to know the Mormon church is completely false. Dozens upon dozens of false prophecies throughout it's history, the book of Abraham's papyrus has been translated to illustrate Smith lied in it's translation, Reformed Egyptian doesn't exist, Smith believed in the forged Kinderhook plates, I could go on, and on. Smith created the Book of Mormon, by scrying, channeling the dark spirits of our world. It's 1 Thessalonians 5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. So I am supposed to believe that which Grant Palmer, an anti-Mormon, states about Smith? I don't think so. I am willing to use their own works against them however. But not works of someone that clearly has a bias against them. I can see your point about your parents but keep in mind that the LDS culture is very social. Thus, one must wear similar clothes, speak similar words, etc. I suppose all cultures and sub-cultures display characteristics such as this. However, the Christus idol is symbolic of a cancerous disease that is perpetrated upon the people by the leaders. It is that greed that imputes the LDS Church in our day as being satanic. Not the belief, but the goal of the church that is wealth. Let's say that we have a representative of ten denominations one of which is LDS. All ten work hard. They are all kind. They are all respectful. However, only one (as a general rule) will seek to gain wealth. Oh some of the others will also seek to gain wealth; but, not as a doctrine of their church. |
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Post by glennjohn on Mar 20, 2019 13:31:29 GMT -6
boraddict It's unfair to call Palmer an anti Mormon. In fact, Palmer never renounced Mormonism. He was still active in attendance at the church up until his death, he just felt that the church misrepresented it's history which is factually correct. He wanted Mormons to get away from the Book of Mormon, and center their beliefs around Jesus. The above quote I made from Smith asserting he did more than Christ is not from Palmer actually, it's from the History of the Church. Any Mormon can go into their Bishop's office and see it for themselves. I disagree. Mormons believe that they can become gods through a works based salvation. The belief centers around Satan's oldest trick in the book which lies in Genesis 3:5. Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Also contrast the 3rd article of the Mormon faith: To Galatians 2:16:
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Post by boraddict on Mar 20, 2019 20:29:49 GMT -6
boraddict It's unfair to call Palmer an anti Mormon. In fact, Palmer never renounced Mormonism. He was still active in attendance at the church up until his death, he just felt that the church misrepresented it's history which is factually correct. He wanted Mormons to get away from the Book of Mormon, and center their beliefs around Jesus. The above quote I made from Smith asserting he did more than Christ is not from Palmer actually, it's from the History of the Church. Any Mormon can go into their Bishop's office and see it for themselves. I disagree. Mormons believe that they can become gods through a works based salvation. The belief centers around Satan's oldest trick in the book which lies in Genesis 3:5. Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Also contrast the 3rd article of the Mormon faith: To Galatians 2:16: Thank you Glen; our conversation is beginning to spark my interest. You see the core problem with Mormonism as the doctrine of "man becoming gods" whereas I see the core problem of Mormonism as the doctrine of "greed." So where in scripture do the prophets speak against the doctrine of man becoming gods, and in contrast, where in scripture do the prophets speak against the doctrine of greed? That is, if you compare the two, what false doctrine is spoken against more than the other? Let's say by about 100 to 1? That is the doctrine of greed; that I might say is the mainstay of the LDS church. Pure and absolute greed. This greed effects the poor right now this very day. Yet the doctrine of man becoming gods does not affect the poor. No, that doctrine is so asinine that the poor do not care about it at all; but they do care about paying their bills of which I might add when the LDS church causes their poor to pay 10 percent of their gross wages it is criminal. The Lord requires 10 percent of our increase for those who wish to contribute. Yet for the LDS if they do not pay then they are not members in good standing. The leaders do not care if the poor believe the doctrine of man becoming gods, but they do care about grinding the faces of the poor (Isa. 3:15) stealing their money. Secondly, who cares about what Smith might have said about obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Like he had the corner on perfection. I don't think so. He was a foolish man in many regards but he was not a murderer like those who followed him in that office as the church leader. In fact, he had relinquished the leadership position to his father Joseph Smith Sr. as the church patriarch (father) and when he (Sr.) died that position went to his (Joseph's) brother Hyram Smith. Don't you find it suspicious that both Joseph and Hyram were murdered together and within three months their younger brother died a suspicious death? So those victors to the throne of the LDS church were murders of the Smith family and those murders got to write the history. So it is only prudent to read anything against Smith with suspicion for not only was the conspiracy from within but also from without. In fact Smith had formed what he called The Council of Fifty that was comprised of fifty men both LDS and non-LDS. Additionally, he placed the LDS church second to that council. Within months the three Smith brothers were dead and Brigham Young was in control. It was then that any supporters of Smith were driven out via intimidation. It was a mess and approximately 1/3rd of the people went to Texas and back east, and a large portion settled in Independence MO. However, Young got the European converts and moved them to Salt Lake were he set up the nation state of Deseret. The leadership of LDS liars are with us today but not from Smith but Young. So yes Joseph Smith was not the brightest bulb in the drawer, but he was not a low life like so many would have you believe. He did not have multiple wives; a doctrine that was orchestrated by Young to support his lustful desires to acquire 37 wives and have 50 children. Notice that Joseph's wife (Emma) to her dying day said that Joseph only had her as his wife. Thus it was that Joseph's son became the leader of the RLDS and that church is with us to this day but they changed their name. So many lies. So many lies. Yes Joseph was skewed, but so many were during the Great Awakening. But it was Young that set the tone of the LDS church and wrote the doctrine. Remember, it was Young that was the victor when the dust settled. |
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Post by glennjohn on Mar 21, 2019 1:21:04 GMT -6
boraddict I wasn't debating "greed" vs "belief" as the core problem, I was illustrating the belief is satanic which you denied. In all actuality though, since we are on the subject, the core problem is the belief. Greed is certainly a condition of sin, but leading people to hell with a false ideology is far worse. Mormons starting with Smith deny the deity of Christ and salvation through faith alone. They believe Christ was a man. I would think deceiving millions away from God's grace is far worse than the greed of the church wouldn't you? It's an extension of evil rather than it's root. For starters I find it strange that you are constructing a debate of what is worse, greed or a false belief? And furthermore, trying to measure it by what's worse based on sheer volume is fallacious. The bible states in Exodus 20:3, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. If you believe your own works lead to becoming a god you are focused on your own self and not the Lord. God states in Isaiah 43:10 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. The bible also condemns lying. The core tenets of the entire ideology concerning Mormonism is a lie. The Book of Mormon is not true, and it's not supported with any sort of historicity like the Bible is. It's not God's word, and thus a doctrine of devils. I do. This is what I was taught as a Mormon, had I decided to believe this (like many I personally knew), I would have never gotten saved. Namely because it deceives people into thinking they can inherit heaven by their works, when in fact they are paving their way to hell. I honestly find it a bit concerning you are so defensive of Smith. He authored the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is a lie. The Book of Abraham is a lie. Denying the deity of Christ is a lie. Denying the trinity is a lie. How can you possibly dispute the lie didn't start with Smith when the whole theological framework of Mormonism was created by him? Mormonism is in sharp contrast to the Word of God. Its legalistic plan of salvation is a Satanic counterfeit plain and simple. I don't deny that the church is greedy, and I too have a problem with extorting people to pay tithing. I am well aware the church extorts by telling members that paying tithing is one of the many legalistic duties to make it into the Celestial Kingdom.
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Post by boraddict on Mar 21, 2019 8:10:13 GMT -6
boraddict I wasn't debating "greed" vs "belief" as the core problem, I was illustrating the belief is satanic which you denied. In all actuality though, since we are on the subject, the core problem is the belief. Greed is certainly a condition of sin, but leading people to hell with a false ideology is far worse. Mormons starting with Smith deny the deity of Christ and salvation through faith alone. They believe Christ was a man. I would think deceiving millions away from God's grace is far worse than the greed of the church wouldn't you? It's an extension of evil rather than it's root. For starters I find it strange that you are constructing a debate of what is worse, greed or a false belief? And furthermore, trying to measure it by what's worse based on sheer volume is fallacious. The bible states in Exodus 20:3, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. If you believe your own works lead to becoming a god you are focused on your own self and not the Lord. God states in Isaiah 43:10 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. The bible also condemns lying. The core tenets of the entire ideology concerning Mormonism is a lie. The Book of Mormon is not true, and it's not supported with any sort of historicity like the Bible is. It's not God's word, and thus a doctrine of devils. I do. This is what I was taught as a Mormon, had I decided to believe this (like many I personally knew), I would have never gotten saved. Namely because it deceives people into thinking they can inherit heaven by their works, when in fact they are paving their way to hell. I honestly find it a bit concerning you are so defensive of Smith. He authored the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is a lie. The Book of Abraham is a lie. Denying the deity of Christ is a lie. Denying the trinity is a lie. How can you possibly dispute the lie didn't start with Smith when the whole theological framework of Mormonism was created by him? Mormonism is in sharp contrast to the Word of God. Its legalistic plan of salvation is a Satanic counterfeit plain and simple. I don't deny that the church is greedy, and I too have a problem with extorting people to pay tithing. I am well aware the church extorts by telling members that paying tithing is one of the many legalistic duties to make it into the Celestial Kingdom. Hi Glen. It is my opinion that Smith's spin-off churches must be responsible for themselves. The LDS spin-off began with Brigham Young. The spin-off that went to Missouri began with Emma, Joseph's wife. The Emma Smith spin-off has a different version of events and different books; or perhaps different versions of similar books. A few years ago I found at a yard sale an 1887 (ish) bible from the RLDS. I gave it to a close friend as a (0.25 cent) gift. I later found out that it was worth $700.00. Where is your outrage against the other spin-offs? For me it does not exist because they do not follow the doctrine of Brigham Young. |
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Post by glennjohn on Mar 21, 2019 10:19:03 GMT -6
boraddictI don't sympathize with any other Mormon denomination, they are just as false as the rest. By the biblical definition Joseph Smith is a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:22). I don't care for Young, John Taylor, Woodruff, or all the rest of them for the same reason. I'm open to the idea that a different version of events concerning Smith are possible, however, none of those versions place Smith outside of penning the Book of Mormon, and fathering a false doctrine.
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Post by boraddict on Mar 21, 2019 23:37:46 GMT -6
boraddict I don't sympathize with any other Mormon denomination, they are just as false as the rest. By the biblical definition Joseph Smith is a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:22). I don't care for Young, John Taylor, Woodruff, or all the rest of them for the same reason. I'm open to the idea that a different version of events concerning Smith are possible, however, none of those versions place Smith outside of penning the Book of Mormon, and fathering a false doctrine. Fair enough. However, and there is always a however, then it is reasonable that all false doctrines receive the same scrutiny including those we unknowingly believe that are false. I don't know what those are, but we undoubtedly have some. One problem with attacking Mormon doctrine are the false accusations. For instance; my friend and her husband, very good people by the way, believe that the Book of Mormon is a Bible. I have explained numerous times that the Bible is the Bible and the BoM is the BoM but they have been told by someone that there is a Mormon Bible that is the BoM. It makes me laugh and that is a harmless example of a falsehood. Yet some of the lies against Mormonism are off the charts. So let's say that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Okay, no problem there. So why hate him? I doubt that the Savior hates Smith. Why single out a man that is clearly misguided and attack him beyond measure in favor of murderers. Smith did not seek to kill anyone. Take their money perhaps, but not conspire to kill them. Brigham Young on the other hand was a blatant murderer in my opinion. He had 37 wives and so much more. Yet so many in your camp hate Smith and give Young a pass. That is to say in my opinion the real devil is Brigham Young and not Joseph Smith. Yes Smith penned the BoM and he organized the LDS church, but it was Young that manipulated the history and doctrine to fit his little empire. It is like comparing WWI and WWII. The first was a rivalry between nations but the second was the extermination of the Jews. In the comparison the second is clearly worse. The others that you mentioned are not as bad as Young. John Taylor was with the Smith brothers when they were killed. Taylor was actually a pretty good guy overall although he liked to banish his competition onto missions throughout the world. He didn't intimidate them like Young but sent them on callings from God; so he claimed. Woodruff was a straight shooter and said why wait three years to be proclaimed prophet seer and revelator, make me one now. So he set the precedent that is followed to this day that is when the former false prophet dies then the next one is immediately placed into that position. That is, with Young and Taylor they were a little sheepish about going for the title until their base was secure. But for Woodruff the history was secure and no rebellion on the horizon. So the pronouncement to the title was acceptable to the members. So he did it immediately upon the death of Taylor. There were other stratagem by these scrupulous characters as well. For instance they used excommunication like a veto. Now that makes me laugh. Also they considered the senior false apostle to be the next false prophet. At that time all the men of the quorums of the 70 as well as the quorum of 12 were all false apostles and it was the senior that became the false prophet. So, Young made his 11 year old son, John Young, an apostle. The idea being that John would one day be the senior false apostle and a as such a false prophet. However, as John was edging his way up the ladder living in New York. That is, John had enough money from the church via his father that he was a spoiled rich kid. Since he liked New York better than Salt Lake then he lived in NY. Then when it was his turn as senior false apostle to take over after Lorinzo Snow then they, the 12, changed the rules of the game to limit succession to only the quorum of the 12. Thus when John arrived in SLC to take the throne he had been effectively barred by the new house rules. You gota love those liars and thieves. Those crooked snakes cut John Young out of his fathers gift: the royal crown on a platter. So yes Smith wrote the BoM and started the LDS church but it was his successors that capitalized on the opportunity to get rich. |
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Post by glennjohn on Mar 22, 2019 11:40:24 GMT -6
boraddict I don't sympathize with any other Mormon denomination, they are just as false as the rest. By the biblical definition Joseph Smith is a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:22). I don't care for Young, John Taylor, Woodruff, or all the rest of them for the same reason. I'm open to the idea that a different version of events concerning Smith are possible, however, none of those versions place Smith outside of penning the Book of Mormon, and fathering a false doctrine. Fair enough. However, and there is always a however, then it is reasonable that all false doctrines receive the same scrutiny including those we unknowingly believe that are false. I don't know what those are, but we undoubtedly have some. One problem with attacking Mormon doctrine are the false accusations. For instance; my friend and her husband, very good people by the way, believe that the Book of Mormon is a Bible. I have explained numerous times that the Bible is the Bible and the BoM is the BoM but they have been told by someone that there is a Mormon Bible that is the BoM. It makes me laugh and that is a harmless example of a falsehood. Yet some of the lies against Mormonism are off the charts. So let's say that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Okay, no problem there. So why hate him? I doubt that the Savior hates Smith. Why single out a man that is clearly misguided and attack him beyond measure in favor of murderers. Smith did not seek to kill anyone. Take their money perhaps, but not conspire to kill them. Brigham Young on the other hand was a blatant murderer. He had 37 wives and so much more. Yet so many in your camp hate Smith and give Young a pass. That is to say in my opinion the real devil is Brigham Young and not Joseph Smith. Yes Smith penned the BoM and he organized the LDS church, but it was Young that manipulated the history and doctrine to fit his little empire. It is like comparing WWI and WWII. The first was a rivalry between nations but the second was the extermination of the Jews. In the comparison the second is clearly worse. The others that you mentioned are not as bad as Young. John Taylor was with the Smith brothers when they were killed. Taylor was actually a pretty good guy overall although he liked to banish his competition onto missions throughout the world. He didn't intimidate them like Young but sent them on callings from God; so he claimed. Woodruff was a straight shooter and said why wait three years to be proclaimed prophet seer and revelator, make me one now. So he set the precedent that is followed to this day that is when the former false prophet dies then the next one is immediately placed into that position. That is, with Young and Taylor they were a little sheepish about going for the title until their base was secure. But for Woodruff the history was secure and no rebellion on the horizon. So the pronouncement to the title was acceptable to the members. So he did it immediately upon the death of Taylor. There were other stratagem by these scrupulous characters as well. For instance they used excommunication like a veto. Now that makes me laugh. Also they considered the senior false apostle to be the next false prophet. At that time all the men of the quorums of the 70 as well as the quorum of 12 were all false apostles and it was the senior that became the false prophet. So, Young made his 11 year old son, John Young, an apostle. The idea being that John would one day be the senior false apostle and a as such a false prophet. However, as John was edging his way up the ladder living in New York. That is, John had enough money from the church via his father that he was a spoiled rich kid. Since he liked New York better than Salt Lake then he lived in NY. Then when it was his turn as senior false apostle to take over after Lorinzo Snow then they, the 12, changed the rules of the game to limit succession to only the quorum of the 12. Thus when John arrived in SLC to take the throne he had been effectively barred by the new house rules. You gota love those liars and thieves. Those crooked snakes cut John Young out of his fathers gift: the royal crown on a platter. So yes Smith wrote the BoM and started the LDS church but it was his successors that capitalized on the opportunity to get rich. In spite as not being quite as sympathetic to Mormon leaders, I do find your knowledge of church history interesting. Were you a multi generational Mormon? Both my parents were converts. |
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Post by boraddict on Mar 22, 2019 19:55:13 GMT -6
In spite as not being quite as sympathetic to Mormon leaders, I do find your knowledge of church history interesting. Were you a multi generational Mormon? Both my parents were converts. That is funny. In my opinion the LDS church members only know what they have been told, and they dare not question it: their eternal salvation is on the line. For me however, my eternal salvation is secure. I can read the scriptures for myself and see the truth thereof. There is only one salvation and it is obtained by a belief in Lord Jesus. I might say that I am truly perplexed by the mechanics of that salvation. How is it possible that belief alone provides salvation? The Mormons think the answer is in following a false prophet and a works merited system. Yet the scriptures tell us otherwise. I realize that many have solutions to the question, yet for me it is unanswerable. What are the mechanics of salvation via a belief in Christ? I do not know. It is like the most unanswerable question. Yet it is that belief that provides salvation: no works required. Yet, works will result. It is like a mathematical equation as follows: Belief in Christ = Salvation = works for Christ I do not understand the mechanics that exist between "Belief in Christ" and "Salvation." Nevertheless, I do not need to understand them to know that they exist. Some special key that can only be accessed via a belief in Christ, and once that belief unlocks that door there is salvation. Perhaps I am overthinking this subject but I have wondered about it for years. In my opinion it is that very question that prevents millions from believing in Christ. They think that it is a ferry-tale that belief alone washes away sin. Nevertheless, it is true and no amount of works can change that. So the wicked LDS leaders cause their people to work for salvation. Of course they will deny that fact but it is proved via the bishop's interview that is required to attend the temple or be sealed in the temple to an eternal marriage. The bishop determines if a person can attend the temple. Have you paid your tithing? Are you angry with anyone? Do you believe Nelson to be a prophet, seer, and revelatior? etc. The only question that an individual must be asked to attend any of God's temples is, Do you want to attend? Nothing else matters. Attending a temple does not provide salvation. Yet, the LDS are told that an eternal marriage is the mechanism of creation. Like they somehow as sinners can be on an equal footing with the Savior. Are you kidding me? There is only one creator and that is Christ and I do not care how a person believes; if they can not create right now, this very moment, then they are not and will never be equal to Christ. This asinine belief came not from Smith but Young. To be equal to Christ via eternal marriage in an LDS temple is the golden crown of hypocrisy. Young capitalized upon this doctrine and the women were sealed to him in an eternal marriage in the temple. So many in fact that for Smith hundreds if not thousands were sealed by proxy. It is for that reason that Smith had multiple wives. They married him after he was physically dead and that makes me laugh. Smith had no choice in the matter. Yet the only one he claimed while he was living was Emma. The saddest story about Smith is that his infant baby had just died. Then, within a few days another man's wife died while birthing twins. As a result that man gave the twins to Smith. While one of the twins was dying in Smith's arms (at his home), a fine (perhaps Christian) mob broke through the door, pulled him into the yard, and beat him. Needless to say that both of the twins died; however, the one died while these fine upstanding people were beating Smith. For what? Creating a doctrine that I might say is protected under the United States constitution. So no, I will not attack Smith. But the rest of the LDS leaders are fair game. Your parents will never be able to move beyond their belief in LDS doctrine until they can see Nelson as a fake. I might add that not all LDS doctrine is in complete error. For example, the Adam God Theory from Young that was derived via a comment by Smith might be considered a precursor to the discovery of DNA. That is, Smith said that Adam and Christ were the same in every way because they both were original creations of God the Father. Young thought that Smith said Adam was God like Christ was God. No! Smith said that they were like creations that we now might summarize that they both had exactly the same DNA. Nevertheless, the Adam God Theory is not taught nor understood in the LDS church. |
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One can't help but love such an idol. That little guy came about after 1980 with the then LDS church president saying that some art work that he had seen was the most accurate semblance of the Savior. Like he (Kimball) had actually seen Lord Jesus. Really? I do not think the Savior is European as is the Christus idol.