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Post by mike on Mar 9, 2019 10:09:38 GMT -6
Jaco Prinsloo has admittedly been wrong before but his latest video give me the willys and a lot to think about, pray about and read about.
Over the last several months, even year I have been able to look what I consider 'traditional' in that there is the rapture, then the Trib begins, 7 yrs later Christ return to judge and reign. Most are familiar.
There of course are other areas supporting mid-trib rapture and later on towards the end yet all have the 7 yr model fairly consistent with 1000 yr reign, then the Great White Throne.
One of those is the layout of the book of Rev and it not being strictly chronological. It has even caused me to question the identity of the 144,000...
This information is presented and as I said needs some vetting on my end and should you choose to listen for the hour, I suggest you do likewise. It will challenge your thought process 100% but don't discredit it until you consider it.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 10, 2019 11:20:48 GMT -6
This video is about considering the White Throne before the 1000 yr reign.. here are some obs. of mine I like his progression of scriptures as he lays out his case, and I would agree about those dead people walking around "before" Jesus rose from the grave as an event stated out of order (see Matt).. for this reason we must always seek more scriptures to see if things hold true to a timeframe or not. venge would want to see this video as he has tried to demonstrate Rev 6:15-17 and lining it up with what I can remember are nearly the same verses as this guy. The Day and the Coming being simultaneous. Which is what I think this video is trying to say, but his focus is the Throne Judgement. As you know mike, I have set aside the 7 year timeframe for the moment. The focus for me is to look at how the Lord Jesus will be Revealed and His Kingdom taking over. It has made me look at what judgement means. This video could have brought in more of John ch 1, and even John 3:17 onward. The judgement is not believing on the Son in a nutshell. So, as He establishes His Kingdom reign, some will be outside that Kingdom, what I see as the outer darkness. Is this AT His Coming or is it AT the end of the Reign? OR is the REIGN the process of it all, this glorious "Day"? The video suggests the big Judgement is at the start of the reign, and he gives his scriptural proofs, some I can "see" others I question but not to refute his theory, just disagree with them as proof. Here is one thing first from Isaiah 30:26 The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the LORD binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted.He states this as being part of the Wrath where the sun is so strong it will burn people and that preppers will only be doing their prepping in vain. Yet, look at the passage of Is 30 19O people in Zion, inhabitant in Jerusalem, you will weep no longer. He will surely be gracious to you at the sound of your cry; when He hears it, He will answer you.
20Although the Lord has given you bread of privation and water of oppression, He, your Teacher will no longer hide Himself, but your eyes will behold your Teacher.
21Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.
22And you will defile your graven images overlaid with silver, and your molten images plated with gold. You will scatter them as an impure thing, and say to them, “Be gone!”
23Then He will give you rain for the seed which you will sow in the ground, and bread from the yield of the ground, and it will be rich and plenteous; on that day your livestock will graze in a roomy pasture.
24Also the oxen and the donkeys which work the ground will eat salted fodder, which has been winnowed with shovel and fork.
25On every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be streams running with water on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
26The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the LORD binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted.Go and read Rev 21 and see how that parallels Is 30.. this does not sound like the earth is being burned, which is what the guy was implying... to me this is what the 1000 year Reign will look like. The Kingdom will be the Light and those who have put aside their "impure things" (themselves and their own gods perhaps?) will enter it, and outside will be in the "dark." 36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
and 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
He uses verse 26 to be about the earth being destroyed or burned by the sun, and references Rev 20:11.. 11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. I made a comment in rt's thread about how can the earth and heaven flee from God? and there are pronouns used for them. I equated it to John explaining the power God being so great, but also that the earth and heaven here are similes to two groups of peoples. This is where in the video I have to disagree somewhat with his description of the earth literally being destroyed. WHY do I think this way? When we read in Rev about a beast from the Sea and one from the Earth, these earth and sea references are not literal water and dirt. This is what venge has been trying to explain but runs into those who remain literal physical. Nothing about Revelation could be taken literal physical as John was seeing it from the perspective of Heaven. All options are on the table... Now, as far as the White Throne Judgement? Rev 20 could be layers within layers, no doubt. This video gives me much homework to do, as I will continue to challenge myself as to if what I am seeing is accurate or not, via the scriptures and timelines. I will say this about a comment he made: in the video he says "I do not think the Tribulation is for the believer to 'demonstrate his work to the Lord.' " so he is taking a pre-Trib stance here. I am not sure where this guy gets this as an opinion of others as their thought process to a mid or post Trib experience. I have not hear this as being a reason stated by those who are mid or postr tribbers.. But we should always check our heart that we not be boastful in any assumption of ourselves as being worthy of anything or being spared of anything. We should not say in our hearts "I sit as queen" because of my belief.. The guy touches upon the parable of the 10 virgins. I liked his reference about that and the other part of Matthew where one cries out, I prophecied in your name, etc etc... Matching those two places made sense to me. If anything one should say something like this: Lord, if it be Your will that you have me here or here or here for whatever reason, so be it. You are my Saviour and my Faith in you is YOU. In You are the Light, the Way, and YOU will lead me where I need to be! I am not worthy by my own desire to be void of temptation, trial, errors or tribulations. Only following You could I rest from these toils. amen. |
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Post by venge on Mar 10, 2019 12:40:46 GMT -6
This author stated: Then he goes on to say this is the judgements that God will carry out. He is stating his interpretation as fact when it is his opinion. Not a fact. If a large asteroid impacted the earths seas as he explains, it would wipe out more then sea life. It would wipe out a large potion of mankind, animals, habitations etc. The world is not meant for a doomsday scenario as the earth will still be here afterward. It will still be settled and thus, it still needs to be able to plant seeds for food, wildlife is needed etc...Making this scenario an opinion. I am guessing he is referring to Revelation 8:8 Why does not any life outside the literal sea die? No Tsunamis like he said are explained in this verse or the one that follows. Such an asteroid as he explains would cause destruction. But not according to the bible. Literally taken, only living things in the sea and ships are destroyed. Not just all living things and ships but ONLY 1/3rd of them. Such a small amount of things to die to a literal asteroid causing no human life to die on land, no Tsunamis, no loss of housing, etc.. Even if you follow commentaries as HERE!, they would show that most all agree, it is symbolic and not literal. No asteroid, no meteorites. Why not research: |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 10, 2019 20:04:43 GMT -6
ok venge, I was not paying attention to these types of details. I was more focusing on the "timing" he was presenting based on what he was seeing in the Scriptures. I know that I myself get much grief, namely my mother, when I challenge the "physical" destructions that are taken as earthly literal, when I myself view some of these "natural" events as being "terms" to describe people & their systems or religions or their strongholds etc...basing the terminology of the language found in the old testament. This video is interesting as the author is making a bold statement "counter" to a timeline seen in Revelation, and a majority consensus. That was why I thought you would find in interesting or challenging. I was not focusing on his understanding of asteroids. Just was trying to find a place of "wow, ok, so perhaps this author is seeing a timeframe that is coming close to the way I am coming to see things too." No problem, I know where you stand on the stellar things. Even if you and I or someone disagrees on some specifics, what if we can at minimum see that some traditional thinking of certain scripture placements are in the wrong placement? (which is the point of the video, I think) and why I think mike started this thread. There is a consensus way of looking at a timeline of events and I used to follow along with that thinking. Now, I am not so sure. Yet, it is on my virtual coffee table of notes. NOt tossed out but set aside for the moment. here is one thing no elaborated on in the video: the secret society and the number 3 two two. Another one of those things on the back burner of understanding... |
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Post by mike on Mar 11, 2019 6:55:54 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl said: Yup exactly why! I may not have done a great job explaining that in the opener. There are many viewpoints on how the timing of the last days play out. Many or even most here agree that we are in the last of them. As you say BSG, set aside the 7 yrs at the moment, we know we are very close to something big, really big! All indications are that something is happening, right in front of us and though we may be seeing it we aren't seeing it perfectly or precisely as we would like to. Maybe the 7 yrs is really 3.5 and the other 3.5 have already occurred. There are many possibilities and locking into one or another only causes me to say "I'm right and anyone not in agreement is wrong" and that is (IMO) a dangerous spot to hold on to. Who am I that I have the whole thing figured out? That doesnt mean there arent many good hearted brethren who view eschatology in a way that will harm them, they just may not see what is there right away. The Lord knows hearts and reveals what He chooses and when. While one may not agree with the author of the video on all that he has presented, his intent is that it is very possible the 1000 yr reign is not positioned where most hold it to be. Simply placing it after the Great White throne because it is on the page after it doesnt mean it occurs after 1000 yrs. He gives plenty of examples where scripture is not chronological, so why cant this be? Take your study and move this time frame. What does it do to your view? The picture is starting to become clearer for me. The traditions I have been taught are suspect. Understanding how many missed the first advent when He, the bread of life, was before their eyes I do not want to be one with blinders on because I expect something to be a certain way because I'm supposed to or the majority thinks that way. I continue to ponder things like: Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads....(3)...and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.First off no one who hasnt been redeemed has no guile and faultless before the throne, so it is 100% impossible these are 'men/women' in physical bodies. They are redeemed and firstfruits following the Lamb wherever He goes. Know any other "people" like that?
1 The 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits [for] a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest...22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I [am] the LORD your God.
1Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
The redeemed are part of the harvest of the firstfruits. First the sheaf wave, then the main crop and lastly the corners.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 12, 2019 10:28:20 GMT -6
First of all mike , I am glad you moved this thread. Rev 20 is one of those "timeframe summary" chapters like what Ch 14 seems to be, with the topic being about Resurrection and Judgement Summer 2017, like around early July. my 73 year old mother told me to check out Unsealed. "I found this website that has so much good stuff!" And so I did. I came to this forum with my own "credentials' of stumbling along with the Lord consciously since about the age of 19, with these last 7 years seeking to understand the Rapture. I was taught the 70th Week-based Pre-trib rapture, doom to the earth & people because of an anti-Christ ruler that many would choose to follow. The Church body had to be out of here so God could work with his Chosen, as the Chosen would be the ones to spread the Good News having been unblinded when made jealous of a bunch of Christians disappearing. The Tribulation would start with virgin jewish men each from their tribes witnessing to the world, while others would take the Mark and suffer the consequences. Israel as a nation would enter a treaty with their muslim neighbors and argee to a dividing of the land for a sense of peace. A third Temple for the Lord would be built but a blasphemous person would abominate the temple with some sacrifice that was incorrect or an abomination to God, say a pig was sacrificed. This resulting in great anger by God, and result in the eventual destruction for this person(leader). Israel would suffer some battles, but in the end Jesus would arrive at the scene and the nations would be in awe over the power of Him and His Saints coming for the final battle over Jerusalem and Israel proper. After all this is the Promised Land. Jesus will be ruling from the same piece of real estate He was born in as He will have restored it. This is how I understood the timeframe when I arrived here at Unsealed. The Sign of 2017 was the focus. The Sign is what kept me at Unsealed, the Sign was and still is significant to me. I love all the wonderful folks here who know so much from the cosmos to earthquakes to unique numbers and to Scripture! Unsealed helped me to memorize Scripture (well, really I feel it's the Holy Spirit) but ya know what I mean. This forum is good fellowship! Then something happened to me while I was seeking the Scriptures for end times understanding. I started seeing holes in the 70th Week theory. Then I started learning more about the patterns of God, His Feast Clocks, and started sorting out the parables Jesus spoke about the KINGDOM. Paul's Letter(s) to the (converted jews in Rome) among other things. I quit reading books/watching dvd's ABOUT the end times, and sought the Scriptures directly. I do not care how many years or how many followers a person has for credentials to make that person's point of view the "correct" one. Mom gets frustrated with me and says, "How can you go against what the majority of respected scholars have studied for decades?" and I say, I want to HEAR GOD thru His Word, and not thru someone else's filter. I am not seeking just the Passover teachings that seem to be the character of the evangelical churches, I am seeking the messages about Pentacost and the meaning to Tabernacles, of which there is NO END it seems. There is an entire pattern drawn out in the OT, and to me, it is reflected/established in the reverse in Revelation. Like those great chiasms people like to show. One can Hear God thru anyone who speaks and shares and in everything that happens in life. Not one person is completely correct, and so I have been in the process of seeking Scripture Truths thru what people attempt to say, and seek the Scriptures to see what God says. We all do this. I am no special person. what do they say? Consider the Whole Council of God..do not squelch the Spirit.. Incidently, people like to start at Passover as being the 'first' fulfilled Feast. I learned this once in a Bible study. I have come to believe that when Jesus came to earth the first time, they said his Name was Emmanuel. God With Us. Mat(1:23) That is what tabernacling with the Lord means. I believe that Jesus came on the Feast Clock of Tabernacles when He was born. He was Sacrificed at Passover as the Lamb, and then sent His Holy Spirit for us to help WALK with Him mirroring Pentacost, which is Following Him and not yourself (hmm, the fall in the Garden had to do with following our own desires). The Sign was the proclamation once again of Tabernacles. The Sign signifies Who He is, His Coming from a woman who was in the presense of BOTH the greater and lesser Lights, and worthy of the crown He gave her, her crown of 12 to indicating God's authority & government, as she represented His Law. The Birth of her Child FULFILLED the LAW (this also parallels what it means to be Born Again, Born into the Fulfilled Covenant of God) One could not See this Sign with their own eyes as the Light was SO BRIGHT! It is NOT a sign of the Rapture, it is the Sign of COMING TO THE LIGHT! not being in darkness... on 9/23/17 The Heavens declared to the world that GOD IS THE AUTHORITY and I AM is about to take over". And we will see just what it is like when Jesus showed up the last time. People today are wrapped up in their religions just like the Pharisees were, and Jesus could stand right in front of them and they did not SEE Him. The Kingdom is at hand He said. So too does the Sign of Sept 23rd 2017 say, the KINGDOM is at hand. The Cross is done, now it is time to see His WORK expand and take over the world. The 70th week was fulfilled, it had to be based on how sabbaths & jubilees are shown. Plus Isaiah 53. And this: Jesus said a couple of things while hanging there on the Cross which He was putting an end for the need to sacrifice the blood of animals. "Forgive them for they do not know what they are doing" (luke 23:24).. and "IT IS FINISHED!" He asked for forgiveness for them and proclaimed the finishing of the mandate given to these people, whom knew not what they did.. desolation would come upon them after a 40 year period. Even unto the END desolations are determined as long as they remain unrepentant (in their desires and understanding, not God's Desire and Plan). It is not about a physical temple anymore. The Lord is building His Temple, the one and only 3rd Temple (3 is another number of completion), but we know it is not made with hands. It is made with precious stones, ones He Names and Chooses. The OT was the physical picture of it, its destruction came because of unrepented/lawless HEARTS. The new Temple has been established Spiritually since the Cross (our Cornerstone), and it will be manifested together both Physical and Spiritual..yet the Physcal part we know will not be of flesh and blood. It will begin the revealing (mortal putting on immortal) of the Sons of God, the First Fruits. And the Clocks will begin repeating themselves until ALL the harvests are complete. 15And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
17And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves;
18for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
Revelation supports this timeframe. The Marriage Supper does not happen until AFTER the winepress. It begins with First Fruits, to make ready the Bread and then the Wine can be made, the Supper complete. The LAST supper? He was in the upper room with his FOLLOWERS. Then He commissioned them to spread the News of the Gospel. If it fits into a 7 year earthly clock, so be it, but not because we had a gap in prophecy. Desolation are determined, no doubt. Daniel was absolutely terrified by the visions. WHY? Because he saw that his people would not be repentant. Not until what Isaiah seems to also say on the matter, which has many a grape crushed, and vines being pruned/branches being cut for not bearing fruit. Axes laid at the root of unfruitful trees. We are not in the Field of wheat here. We are in the Vineyard. The modern day jewish brethren is of this parable. They are not the First Fruits. They will be the last fruit.. Praise be to God who is the Glory of ALL Things! |
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Post by mike on Mar 12, 2019 11:11:29 GMT -6
Amen Sister! If that which you had learned about end times eschatology is accurate, you already are aware of it and lose nothing by searching diligently and considering other applications. Rigidly sticking to one absolute view is called tunnel vision.
One thought I want to add here because you mentioned Daniel. We are searching for the signs of the return of the King. In his day Daniel accomplished what we seek to do in ours. Amazing!
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Post by chohouston on Mar 15, 2019 16:26:23 GMT -6
First of all mike , I am glad you moved this thread. Rev 20 is one of those "timeframe summary" chapters like what Ch 14 seems to be, with the topic being about Resurrection and Judgement Summer 2017, like around early July. my 73 year old mother told me to check out Unsealed. "I found this website that has so much good stuff!" And so I did. I came to this forum with my own "credentials' of stumbling along with the Lord consciously since about the age of 19, with these last 7 years seeking to understand the Rapture. I was taught the 70th Week-based Pre-trib rapture, doom to the earth & people because of an anti-Christ ruler that many would choose to follow. The Church body had to be out of here so God could work with his Chosen, as the Chosen would be the ones to spread the Good News having been unblinded when made jealous of a bunch of Christians disappearing. The Tribulation would start with virgin jewish men each from their tribes witnessing to the world, while others would take the Mark and suffer the consequences. Israel as a nation would enter a treaty with their muslim neighbors and argee to a dividing of the land for a sense of peace. A third Temple for the Lord would be built but a blasphemous person would abominate the temple with some sacrifice that was incorrect or an abomination to God, say a pig was sacrificed. This resulting in great anger by God, and result in the eventual destruction for this person(leader). Israel would suffer some battles, but in the end Jesus would arrive at the scene and the nations would be in awe over the power of Him and His Saints coming for the final battle over Jerusalem and Israel proper. After all this is the Promised Land. Jesus will be ruling from the same piece of real estate He was born in as He will have restored it. This is how I understood the timeframe when I arrived here at Unsealed. The Sign of 2017 was the focus. The Sign is what kept me at Unsealed, the Sign was and still is significant to me. I love all the wonderful folks here who know so much from the cosmos to earthquakes to unique numbers and to Scripture! Unsealed helped me to memorize Scripture (well, really I feel it's the Holy Spirit) but ya know what I mean. This forum is good fellowship! Then something happened to me while I was seeking the Scriptures for end times understanding. I started seeing holes in the 70th Week theory. Then I started learning more about the patterns of God, His Feast Clocks, and started sorting out the parables Jesus spoke about the KINGDOM. Paul's Letter(s) to the (converted jews in Rome) among other things. I quit reading books/watching dvd's ABOUT the end times, and sought the Scriptures directly. I do not care how many years or how many followers a person has for credentials to make that person's point of view the "correct" one. Mom gets frustrated with me and says, "How can you go against what the majority of respected scholars have studied for decades?" and I say, I want to HEAR GOD thru His Word, and not thru someone else's filter. I am not seeking just the Passover teachings that seem to be the character of the evangelical churches, I am seeking the messages about Pentacost and the meaning to Tabernacles, of which there is NO END it seems. There is an entire pattern drawn out in the OT, and to me, it is reflected/established in the reverse in Revelation. Like those great chiasms people like to show. One can Hear God thru anyone who speaks and shares and in everything that happens in life. Not one person is completely correct, and so I have been in the process of seeking Scripture Truths thru what people attempt to say, and seek the Scriptures to see what God says. We all do this. I am no special person. what do they say? Consider the Whole Council of God..do not squelch the Spirit.. Incidently, people like to start at Passover as being the 'first' fulfilled Feast. I learned this once in a Bible study. I have come to believe that when Jesus came to earth the first time, they said his Name was Emmanuel. God With Us. Mat(1:23) That is what tabernacling with the Lord means. I believe that Jesus came on the Feast Clock of Tabernacles when He was born. He was Sacrificed at Passover as the Lamb, and then sent His Holy Spirit for us to help WALK with Him mirroring Pentacost, which is Following Him and not yourself (hmm, the fall in the Garden had to do with following our own desires). The Sign was the proclamation once again of Tabernacles. The Sign signifies Who He is, His Coming from a woman who was in the presense of BOTH the greater and lesser Lights, and worthy of the crown He gave her, her crown of 12 to indicating God's authority & government, as she represented His Law. The Birth of her Child FULFILLED the LAW (this also parallels what it means to be Born Again, Born into the Fulfilled Covenant of God) One could not See this Sign with their own eyes as the Light was SO BRIGHT! It is NOT a sign of the Rapture, it is the Sign of COMING TO THE LIGHT! not being in darkness... on 9/23/17 The Heavens declared to the world that GOD IS THE AUTHORITY and I AM is about to take over". And we will see just what it is like when Jesus showed up the last time. People today are wrapped up in their religions just like the Pharisees were, and Jesus could stand right in front of them and they did not SEE Him. The Kingdom is at hand He said. So too does the Sign of Sept 23rd 2017 say, the KINGDOM is at hand. The Cross is done, now it is time to see His WORK expand and take over the world. The 70th week was fulfilled, it had to be based on how sabbaths & jubilees are shown. Plus Isaiah 53. And this: Jesus said a couple of things while hanging there on the Cross which He was putting an end for the need to sacrifice the blood of animals. "Forgive them for they do not know what they are doing" (luke 23:24).. and "IT IS FINISHED!" He asked for forgiveness for them and proclaimed the finishing of the mandate given to these people, whom knew not what they did.. desolation would come upon them after a 40 year period. Even unto the END desolations are determined as long as they remain unrepentant (in their desires and understanding, not God's Desire and Plan). It is not about a physical temple anymore. The Lord is building His Temple, the one and only 3rd Temple (3 is another number of completion), but we know it is not made with hands. It is made with precious stones, ones He Names and Chooses. The OT was the physical picture of it, its destruction came because of unrepented/lawless HEARTS. The new Temple has been established Spiritually since the Cross (our Cornerstone), and it will be manifested together both Physical and Spiritual..yet the Physcal part we know will not be of flesh and blood. It will begin the revealing (mortal putting on immortal) of the Sons of God, the First Fruits. And the Clocks will begin repeating themselves until ALL the harvests are complete. 15And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
17And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves;
18for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
Revelation supports this timeframe. The Marriage Supper does not happen until AFTER the winepress. It begins with First Fruits, to make ready the Bread and then the Wine can be made, the Supper complete. The LAST supper? He was in the upper room with his FOLLOWERS. Then He commissioned them to spread the News of the Gospel. If it fits into a 7 year earthly clock, so be it, but not because we had a gap in prophecy. Desolation are determined, no doubt. Daniel was absolutely terrified by the visions. WHY? Because he saw that his people would not be repentant. Not until what Isaiah seems to also say on the matter, which has many a grape crushed, and vines being pruned/branches being cut for not bearing fruit. Axes laid at the root of unfruitful trees. We are not in the Field of wheat here. We are in the Vineyard. The modern day jewish brethren is of this parable. They are not the First Fruits. They will be the last fruit.. Praise be to God who is the Glory of ALL Things! Amen Barb! Most of us are looking at Daniel's 70th week as an end times passage but what happens if it has already been fulfilled like you are suggesting? It would distort everything we know about end times and I believe this is what probably happened to you in terms of being able to see with a new lens. We have to trust the word of God more and less on popular teachings...Daniel chapter 2 is something we need to look into more if we are looking at end times. Daniel got the interpretation of the King's dream and basically describes how the statue represents the earthly BEAST kingdoms. God is setting up a Kingdom not made out of hands. "A rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. "The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy." This Stone Kingdom will shatter the earthly beast kingdoms and this leads me to my next questions...if this shows the history of humanity being represented by this statue... 1) Where are we today in regards to this statue? 2) Could the Rev 12 sign be related to all of this? ("It is NOT a sign of the Rapture, it is the Sign of COMING TO THE LIGHT! not being in darkness...") 3) What is the significance of these beastly earth kingdoms in relation to this STONE Kingdom? Why will this Stone shatter the earthly Kingdoms? |
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Post by chohouston on Mar 15, 2019 17:11:31 GMT -6
Then something happened to me while I was seeking the Scriptures for end times understanding. I started seeing holes in the 70th Week theory. So too does the Sign of Sept 23rd 2017 say, the KINGDOM is at hand. The Cross is done, now it is time to see His WORK expand and take over the world. The 70th week was fulfilled, it had to be based on how sabbaths & jubilees are shown. Plus Isaiah 53. Another thing on my mind before I forget.....maybe not the right place to put this but I too believe 490 years (Daniel's 70 weeks are up). We have to look at what was decreed: 24 “Seventy [t]weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to [v]make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and [w]prophecy and to anoint the most holy place. 458 bc + 33 ad = 490 years Here is a short teaching on this (not mine!). Let's see a different perspective! When Gabriel shows up, it is in this context that he makes his speech. It is not in the context of some anti-christ coming. It is in relation to what Jeremiah wrote, the captivity of Judah, and the prayer of Daniel that God rescue them. So Gabriel tells Daniel that his people will be released and that they have been given a chance. A chance to redeem the mandate a chance to change what they have done. A chance to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Indeed, Gabriel even tells them how much time they have to accomplish this: 490 years - split into three sections of 7 years. 49 years, 434 years, and 7 years. But Gabriel also tells Daniel that they will fail and that Messiah will come and finish the job. But that the result of failure will be the desolation, again, of all that they had rebuilt. Remember - Daniel knows the vision. Daniel has seen the future. Daniel knows about the great iron beast that will come and once again tear down Jerusalem. Gabriel is telling him when it will happen. And so, 490 years later, a 40 year clock was started. The 70th week started in 26 ad, 40 years before the Roman war on Jerusalem started. The 70th week ended in 33 ad, 40 years before the final destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Most of this destruction took place in 70 ad. 40 years after the middle of the 70th week - when Jesus was baptized.For 490 years Judah was forgiven, each year, on the Day of Atonement. Each time the goat was sacrificed, and the other goat was led into the wilderness, God was atoning for the sins of the nation. And He was creating a picture of the beautiful Fall day in September of 29 ad, when Jesus would walk down the banks of the Jordan toward His cousin. And seeing Jesus, John would say, Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.Judah had failed. Jesus was beginning His three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth - and it started with His baptism. In the exact middle of the 70th week. Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him At the moment Jesus went under water, He set into motion a path of desolation. He foreshadowed His death. But in the moment Jesus cleared the water, He set into motion a path of atonement. He foreshadowed His resurrection. He fulfilled both goats of atonement. It was also at this precise moment that this began to happen:We read in the Jerusalem Talmud:"Forty years before the destruction of the Temple, the western light went out, the crimson thread remained crimson, and the lot for the Lord always came up in the left hand. They would close the gates of the Temple by night and get up in the morning and find them wide open" (Jacob Neusner, "The Yerushalmi," p.156-157).Please see this article for more detail.Now, most people who read this information conclude that Jesus was killed that year (29/30 ad), but what they fail to recognize is this whole sequence of events was a Day of Atonement event - not a passover event. Jesus would die 3.5 years later. It was His baptism - on the Day of Atonement where He became the sacrificial Atonement for all. Where He put an end to the sacrifice recognized in the temple. He would then minister and preach this message for the next 3.5 years until He made it true on the Cross.At the end of these 3. 5 years, just before Passover, Jesus, knowing the time of desolation was near, stood above the city and proclaimed this:Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.How many times should a man forgive? 490 times. Once for each Day of Atonement that was allotted to Judah. And 490 times/years, they were forgiven. But the time was now up and they did not recognize it. Jesus wept, for He knew what was coming. Both for Himself and for the people. The time had been kept. The Word had been confirmed. It was time now, to confirm the covenant - it was time to make atonement for sin, it was time to finish the transgression[it is finished!], it is time to make an end of sins, it is time to bring in everlasting righteousness. It is time - to anoint the most Holy.And He Is the Most Holy! And only He could accomplish the mission. In that act on the cross Jesus re-united the mandates in one person. One Priest! One Son! One King. But His work also paved the way for the creation of Kings and Priests to come. It made a path for the Sons of God. Praises to the Most High! How wonderful are His ways and excellent Is His mind. How gracious are His Forgiveness and Mercies. How True that there is Only One and there is NONE BESIDE HIM! Amen!Some might ask - but we still sin, do we not? Therefore, He did not put an end to sin. Legally, He did my friend. Legally, Sin and Death have no authority over us. For He IS KING! He is in the business of calling what is not as though it was. He confirmed His covenant with the many - with all. And He will bring it to pass. But legally, He accomplished this work already on the Cross.To connect this confirmation of a covenant with an anti-christ and a peace treaty is not only poor textual analysis, it is not only completely missing the point of Daniel, Daniel 9, Baptism, The Day of Atonement, the death and resurrection of Christ, it is also to diminish the great work that was accomplished in 33 ad that changed all history past, present, and future."The Cross is done, now it is time to see His WORK expand and take over the world."Amen, Amen Amen! |
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