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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 14, 2017 21:37:40 GMT -6
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Post by kjs on Jul 15, 2017 7:31:18 GMT -6
Going to disagree with you here… There are 7.5 Billion people currently on the earth On average USA has 350 million births per year India and China – each have about 1 billion births per year So on yearly basis there are at least 2.5 billion people born…. As this topic suggests – if all BABIES and children under a certain age are part of the rapture Just the babies makes 1/3 the population – add in the children under a certain age brings it closer to ½ the population…. Added in the Christians say even 10% of the population Could make it 3 to 4 billion disappearing – that would be way more than ¼ of the population KJS, I love you, man, but I think you miscalculated.  There are approximately 350 million people LIVING in the US, not births per year in the US. If every female alive in the US had one baby in a single year, that would only be 175 million, and as we know, not all female people can or will have a baby in any given year. The number is much lower. I can get the stats if I need to. Likewise, China and India each have over 1 billion people in them, but not 1 billion births per year. It's ok, I think we all make mistakes like this. It's really easy to do, and I've made a fair few myself. I can admit I make mistakes and revisiting the website were I got the data from, I do see that USA births are around 390k per year soo oops on that one. But both India and China show 1300 and 1400 in the count column and the column title says in millions so if you have 1000 million, is that not a billion? Add that to children under a certain age - say 8 and under that puts 3 million kids in the USA as disappearing..... Even if all my counts are screwed up, my point is that just the lost of every child under a certain age .... Is going to be noticeable |
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Post by Gary on Jul 15, 2017 10:39:58 GMT -6
In 2014 about 17 million babies were born in China, so between China and India there are probably about 35 to 40 million babies born per year. Worldwide, it looks like about a quarter of the population is under 14 years of age: www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-gender-age.phpThat would mean roughly 10 to 15% of the world population is under 7 years of age. We can only speculate how many will be raptured, but here is my wild guess: # of Christians worldwide who by most surveys and research believe in the Gospel: 500 million to 1 billion. That includes affiliated children. 65 or 130 # of people under age 7 worldwide: roughly 1 billion. So... number of Believers - their children = (435 m - 870 m) + 1 billion children worldwide = 1.435 - 1.87 billion. This is again speculative on how exactly God determines who goes, but that would be about 1/5th or 1/4th of the world population. I think I've shared this before, but Heiser discusses this topic: Just fyi, I don't necessarily agree with him 100%, but he makes a thoughtful Scriptural case for his position. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 15, 2017 21:44:21 GMT -6
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2017 21:02:31 GMT -6
Yes, that is definitely true! It will definitely be noticeable. The world is going to be in for quite a shock and my hope/prayer is that the loss will cause many millions of unbelievers to open their eyes.
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Post by mike on Jul 17, 2017 6:32:03 GMT -6
Yes, that is definitely true! It will definitely be noticeable. The world is going to be in for quite a shock and my hope/prayer is that the loss will cause many millions of unbelievers to open their eyes. My hope as well, but I cant help but think how many people didnt pay any attention to Noah until it was too late. Perhaps God is treating this event differently in that all will have a renewed chance when 1/4 or 1/5 of the population goes missing. However, I also think about the Jews in the wilderness and how quickly they forget the Lord and turn away. Its possible the deceiver will not have to explain away the rapture but that the sin nature will cause many to "forget" and only worry about a (deceitful) promise of eternal life by download, moving to Mars, or AI or some other means. |
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Post by delo63 on Jul 17, 2017 7:11:22 GMT -6
ive always wondered if Jesus would be clear in the sky for all to see when it happens or if it will be only seen by believers
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Post by mike on Jul 17, 2017 9:05:00 GMT -6
ive always wondered if Jesus would be clear in the sky for all to see when it happens or if it will be only seen by believers I think it depends on your take of the rapture. I believe it is before (or will trigger) the beginning of the 7 years. With that I dont believe anyone will see Him. Our transformation will occur in a fraction of a second so we technically wont really see Him either until our bodies are anew! |
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Post by delo63 on Jul 17, 2017 9:30:11 GMT -6
i wish there was more clarification but i guess the only thing that really matters is the fact that we are going to be raptured so the details don't really matter much
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Post by mike on Jul 20, 2017 8:16:46 GMT -6
i wish there was more clarification but i guess the only thing that really matters is the fact that we are going to be raptured so the details don't really matter much yeah i hear ya there...i'm hoping we hear the trumpet like two seconds before just so we know In the end it wont matter as we are caught up to meet HIM!! |
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Post by yardstick on Jul 20, 2017 12:58:13 GMT -6
i honestly think that the reason the rapture will happen is because of all of those i wont believe it till i see it folks. What more proof would they need then all of the true believers disappearing like they said they would. In marketing, they are called the cynical majority. They wont try something until someone else has tried it out and proved its worth first. They comprise (statistically speaking) approximately 80% of the population. |
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