"All the non-Pauline books of scripture may have a dual nature. While they are written to Israel, and describe the history of Israel on earth, they also simultaneously hint at the history of the body of Christ being prepared for heaven."
I'm so excited about this, especially as it relates to Galatians 4. I can't wait to share thoughts on that soon.
Love you guys. May the LORD produce fruit in each of you.
Welcome to the board! Though you've posted quite a bit, I'm not sure I've said 'hi' yet (:
Good article. I find myself agreeing with most of it.
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."
1. Good article. :-) 2. Your post lead me to look at Psalm 68 just out of normal curiosity.
Paul quoted Psalm 68:18 in Ephesians 4:7-8. In the NKJV, it seems like there is somehow a misquote in how the verse is worded in the OT vs Paul's quote of it in the NT. I thought this was a bit curious and started to dig deeper.
NKJV Ephesians 4:8 "“When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”" Psalms 68:18 "You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts among men,.”
That's a bit curious... why the difference? Paul's quote generally says He gave gifts to men Psalms generally says He received gifts from men
Let's look at the KJV: KJV Ephesians 4:8 "“When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.”" Psalms 68:18 "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men;”
Something is going on here.... KJV is reading about the same as NKJV. Why is Paul's quote seemingly different (and completely reverse) from the actual written Psalm?
First off... wow! Psalms 68:18 seems to be reading like a "snatching" (maybe Rapture like event) occurred just by looking at these other cases of that Hebrew word found in other places in the Bible. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance : accept, bring, buy, carry away, drawn, fetch, get, infold, seize, send for, take (away, -ing, up) e. especially take in marriage: (I) for another, especially a son, f. receive, accept, especially a bribe, gift, ransom, etc., 6 = fetch 8 take = capture, seize: 9 take = carry off: a. as booty 1 be taken from, out of 4 be taken away, removed
Just for fun, playing with injecting some definitions of the Hebrew version: Christ ascended and "snatched away"... "in marriage" ... "especially for a son"... the captive... as a gift or "ransom".. "bought".. from among men :-D
I'm not exactly sure what to make of this strange quote from Paul, but it does seem that "spiritual applications" (and even physical applications) daniel is writing about are seemingly found in the OT that apply to the Church today.
I prefer the approach "Right Division" uses to categorize the Bible so things like James 2 vs Romans 3-4 are not contradictory when you understand the books had audiences (Jews vs Gentiles). I think daniel is also likely correct too. Keep a balance. Don't overly divide. "Right Division" is just a tool. Don't break the tool or the part from over-usage.
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@gary - Hello to you too! For me, the LORD has used unsealed.org as an oasis in the desert. Thank you for your heart, and your time (same for the other writers). Criticism is welcome on all my thoughts/ideas.
uscgvet - WOW. I have never seen what you just discovered. That's amazing. I need to read and digest it for a while to get the full impact. I have seen Paul do something similar before, and I have found it enhances the original meaning. Consider the following:
1 Corinthians 2:9-10
However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”— the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
He is quoting Isaiah 64:4, which reads:
Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides you, who acts on behalf of those who wait for him.
And so we see a clear correlation between LOVE and WAIT. In fact, I think often times waiting on the LORD is an expression of our love for Him.
A quick update: I recently found this (obvious!) reference concerning the LORD working through Paul via signs and wonders during the church age to the Gentiles. Not sure how I missed it, but it just popped up in my YouTube feed (https://www.desiringgod.org/labs/how-god-uses-missionaries), and I was like "Ha! Well lookie there."
So, I added this reference:
Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. 18 I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done— 19 by the power of signs and wonders, through the power of the Spirit of God... Romans 15:17-19 (NIV)
There is a textual issue that needs further clarification: When you compare Eph. 4:8 and Ps. 68:18, the psalm says that God [YHWH] receives gifts from people, whereas Paul says that God [Christ] gives gifts to people. Did Paul misquote the Scripture? Is he playing fast-and-loose with the text? Actually, there is a much less sinister option to explain the difference...
nana: The current storm out at sea named Cristobal. The name Cristobal is a Spanish Baby Names baby name. In Spanish Baby Names the meaning of the name Cristobal is: Christ bearer'.
Jun 3, 2020 15:33:56 GMT -6
sog: nana, saw that video earlier. Wow! Can you imagine when that starts happening all over the world if the Great Earthquake happens. Just another warning sign that time is soon.
Jun 4, 2020 9:11:50 GMT -6
nana: sog, yep time is short, so short, we are going home soon Titus 2:13
Jun 4, 2020 9:17:59 GMT -6
mike: Dangerous SoCal - I have a friend who is like this (more his wife) but she also dabbles in Yoga/meditation and odd stuff like that. So I am not surprised and if I had to 'bet' I would stake a wager that most if not all, deny the gospel
Jun 4, 2020 13:17:29 GMT -6
boymaker: Thanks for sharing Dr. Barry Awe. Apparently his channel blew up and many Christians are responding. A lot of mockers, but some are excited and admit they are feeling the Spirit when they watch him.
Jun 4, 2020 20:16:11 GMT -6
boymaker: Even if he's wrong, and he likely is, he stoked a fire in me and I'm glad for it.
Jun 4, 2020 20:16:55 GMT -6
EnochWalked: A guy on YouTube with nearly 3 million subscribers makes funny videos that are quite popular, although some of the jokes are in poor taste. His latest video has an interesting segment: youtu.be/td-OFKT-GPk?t=196 (timestamp 3:16 to 3:44).
Jun 4, 2020 21:20:16 GMT -6