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Post by barb84 on Sept 19, 2018 15:53:56 GMT -6
The Hoppers singing the song @gary referenced.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 20, 2018 15:24:50 GMT -6
I've been thinking about a comment someone made somewhere about the feasts being fulfilled in reverse order. I've been wondering if it was possible. What would each feast be? Tabernacles the rapture? Atonement the physical return? then Trumpets the awakening blast of resurrection? Could I find Scriptural support for this or is it just wishful thinking because the Rapture didn't happen on FOT?
Tabernacles is a 7 day period of time in "booths" (rooms) ending with a special gathering. Sure sounds like what will happen at the Rapture. It is also reminiscent of the bridal customs. The wedding feast is announced in Rev 19:7-9.
After that would be the fulfillment of Atonement. Going on in Rev 19, verses 11 through 20:3, Jesus returns to the earth and defeats the bad guys. This would also include passages Micah 2:12-13; Isaiah 63:1-6; Zech 14:1-15, 12:10, 13:1-3; and ultimately Dan 9:24. The Jews recognize their Messiah. Would this take ten days (pictured in the Days of Awe)? I think it's possible.
That would lead to the fulfillment of Trumpets Rev 20:4-6 The 70th week dead are raised. My question would be - When are the OT saints raised?
All of this being just thoughts and speculation. I don't want to be just trying to come up with a theory because the rapture hasn't happened yet.
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Post by mike on Sept 20, 2018 15:30:20 GMT -6
Check out God's Roadmap to the end video from yesterday Natalie
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Post by Natalie on Sept 20, 2018 15:35:05 GMT -6
I will look that up after I get back from taking the middle one to soccer.
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Post by fitz on Sept 20, 2018 17:55:59 GMT -6
Also watch Pearl Kolleri's video...same concept from a different angle.
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Post by davewatchman on Sept 20, 2018 20:05:34 GMT -6
"The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life......He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."Rev. 22:17, 20 I wonder why you think so. The scott clarke video? The Trump articles? I'm watching this 3 + 2 = 5 hour video that has a 22 minute introduction. FIVE hours. It's like being on a merry go round. I think the room's spinning around. It's that guy that talks fast, Darren Jack. I don't agree with him. But i like him. I learned new things from his video that i didn't know before. I finally think i figured out how to make the video start at a certain part. Check out a couple minutes of this part about Jupiter's stripes: And some of this about the comet 21P that had it's perihelion on Yom Teruah. I didn't know the Draconid Comet was an end time comet. By 2029 Jupiter's gravity will pull it away from Earth and the Draconids will cease and 21 P will be gone. So then i was also surprised to find out this video author is living in the poor house in a hostel in Europe passing out pamphlets. He didn't think we'd still be here by now. He forsook his own income and is running out of money. I feel bad for the guy and wish i could help him. He has a FB fund page that doesn't look like it's getting too much activity. 3000 bucks since July is not going to do it. Didn't Paul say we had to stay busy with our hands? But i kind of did the same thing. I haven't been planning for a "retirement" plan. Plus i hit a woman with my truck and she got herself lawyered up. I think i remember a member here talking about this same type of situation. Other people that i've talked to worried about new moons and October. I'm not up to speed with it. I'm a student of this guy from Ohio that was always talking about new moons. And i talked to one of his other pupils who insisted that it had to be in October. If it didn't happen last October, it will happen the next October. That's what she says. She's a smart mark of the beast girl. I couldn't understand her. Then i was poking around with the day counter and found some more fun. And from the peak of the Orionids (21), until the "darkened" sun, is 77 days. And watch while the conception comet fly's away on the very day of the "darkened' sun right at Orion's shield. I think "its all about to go down. www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/meteor-shower/draconid.html>>>Very sPookY>>> Very Intro>>> Enjoy!! >>>Thoughts???
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Post by Natalie on Sept 20, 2018 20:06:52 GMT -6
Thank you, fitz and Mike for the videos. Definitely some stuff to think upon. I tried looking up videos of lighting the Menorah. I found one that they lit the first four and then started from the outside and did the other three. Then I found another video that they did the middle candle first. So, that was no help.
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Post by davewatchman on Sept 22, 2018 7:36:19 GMT -6
Thank you, fitz and Mike for the videos. Definitely some stuff to think upon. I tried looking up videos of lighting the Menorah. I found one that they lit the first four and then started from the outside and did the other three. Then I found another video that they did the middle candle first. So, that was no help. I watched the Jaco and the Pearl and two other Sukkot videos about the reverse menorahs. But it doesn't click with me. They put me to sleep and my neurotransmitters start playing the live version of led zeppelin's rain song, upon us all a little rain must fall. If the Jewish people would have had a traditional example somewhere of observing the feasts out of order and assigning them to the menorah, it might make more sense. If everyone else is seeing it, i must be missing it. v637g.app.goo.gl/VhayGprUyD5YP5Vs9But i focus first on what comes next and that's the equinox and tabernacles right now this weekend. I'll worry about the other stuff latter. I think that we're very close, even already within some of he prophetic time periods. So God could be close to communicating a warning of some kind to His People, “For the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets. And the watchmen will all see eye to eye and lift up with the same voice. One of my side bet hypotheses has to do with Revelation's seven wild cards. John heard them, attempted to write them down but was told to seal up what was said by the seven thunders. Revelation 8 mentions "rumblings". Rumblings comes from Strong's Number G5456 and matches the Greek φωνή (phōnē). Phōnē is used for blasts 1, cry 1, language 1, languages 1, outcry 1, sound 15, sounds 4, statement 1, tone 1, utterance 3, utterances 1, voice 102, voices 7. Voice or voices. "And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.” A Voice from Heaven. "Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” The crowd that stood there and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to him.” Jesus answered, “This voice has come for your sake, not mine. Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
It would be fun to hear a voice for our sake. But the crowd would only hear that it had thundered. Just a simple one would do. Like the One on the troubled sea of Galilee: “Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.”.
Holy Holy is the One, Who was and is and is to come. In a robe as red as blood, He comes forth. Peaceful Sabbath.
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2018 8:36:47 GMT -6
After watching the two "reverse feast menorah theory" videos, I failed to be impressed. Everything I read on the lighting sequence of the menorah doesn't fit their theories. Pearl also failed to convince me that Jesus is the rider on the white horse. I am pretty entrenched in believing that the seals are not opened until we stand in heaven. A Sukkot rapture makes the subsequent fulfillment of the first two feasts problematic and a 7 year separation between them doesn't make a lot of sense either.
Personally, I am sticking to the fall feasts fulfillment at the Second coming, in order. F0T, YK, Sukkot. Mainly because I think the fulfillment of these feasts is significant for the redemption of Israel, and has nothing to do with the church.
I also put no stock in Scotty Clarke's theory re: FoT on 10/10. There are lots of holes in his theory and after wrestling with all of these various calendars floating around, I've re-centered on 2. These are the ones in actual common use today, the Gregorian and the Hebrew. The timing of the blood moon tetrad in 2014 and 15 tells me that the calendars are not off (and currently not a month behind either).
So, I still think the rapture of the church is a very special, one time event, not tied to any Jewish feast day and not on a day anyone expects. Tomorrow is 9/23, exactly one year from the sign and the eve of Sukkot. A rapture tomorrow would make sense from a man's point of view and would certainly provoke the Jews to jealousy, but with so many "watchers" focused on it, I doubt it's the day. Actually, Shimini Atzaret looks more promising. But even then, being tacked on to the end of Sukkot makes me think it will pass too, and we will still be here. I'm looking for a day when even the "watchers" are snoozing.
While I have been convinced that 2018 would be the year, my hopes are fading. Not my hope in the blessed hope...just my hope for the rapture this year. No one can tell me I did not hear Him say "I AM coming soon" last August. It was clear as a bell. And no one can deny that many here and across the world have received the same message in their spirits. And all the physical and geo-political signs we are seeing seem to point to it. So, it's close, but how close? We have to remember that His ways and thoughts are so much higher than ours, and He is patient, desiring all to come to Christ and be saved.
I've been waiting for His return since the day I was born again. 42 years, 1 month and 9 days. I can wait a little more if I have to. None the less, I say, maranatha! Because I don't know, and you don't know...only God knows. So if He doesn't come for us this year, be of good cheer. After we've been in heaven for just a single day, the agony we are feeling in this present time of waiting will be insignificant.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 22, 2018 9:15:07 GMT -6
Good thoughts, fitz. My question for Pearl would be - If Jesus is on the white horse, how is he still standing in heaven opening the seals? I have not been watching as long as others. Since June 2011. But I have been aware that His return could be in my lifetime for about 10 years before that. Waiting is hard. But someone on here said once that they can't stop watching because they had seen too much. That's how I feel. I have seen God do so many amazing things. I can't explain how I feel watching prophecy come to life, like faith starting to become sight. The world hasn't looked the same to me in a long time. I've got music playing in the background and this is the song playing as I type: When I can read my title clear To mansions beyond this life, I'll bid farewell to every fear, And wipe my weeping eyes. Then I will bathe my weary soul In seas of heav'nly rest, And not a wave of trouble will roll Across my peaceful breast. Blest be the Lamb, my dearest Lord who bought me with His blood.
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Post by davewatchman on Sept 22, 2018 9:46:01 GMT -6
My question for Pearl would be - If Jesus is on the white horse, how is he still standing in heaven opening the seals? Elementary my dear Watson. With God, all things are possible. It's because it's the message OF Jesus that is on that white horse. The riders are messengers. Like in the old kingdom days of Europe. The King would send out a rider on the fastest horse to get the message out. This white horse rider is the Gospel message that salvation comes though faith in Jesus only, and not what any church says to do.. That message went out a conquering in 1798 after the dark ages of Europe came to an end and they closed down the Vatican city. The crown is a "stephanos" crown given to the One that is victorious. The bow is a "toxon" bow made of fabric, like a Winner's ribbon. Be careful we don't put the bad guy in the spot where Jesus belongs. "But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
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Post by davewatchman on Sept 22, 2018 10:13:40 GMT -6
After watching the two "reverse feast menorah theory" videos, I failed to be impressed. Everything I read on the lighting sequence of the menorah doesn't fit their theories. Pearl also failed to convince me that Jesus is the rider on the white horse. I am pretty entrenched in believing that the seals are not opened until we stand in heaven. A Sukkot rapture makes the subsequent fulfillment of the first two feasts problematic and a 7 year separation between them doesn't make a lot of sense either. I wasn't too impressed either, with the reverse menorah theory that is. Be careful you don't entrench yourself in the wrong idea. I was a bit impressed with Pearl and her read on the white horse Rider because i agree that she got close to the truth. Seal #1 was opened in 1798 and the Gospel message could finally go out to the world unmolested that salvation comes through faith in Jesus. Prior to that in the Foxe Book days of Europe, the church in Rome had a death grip on the Bible and the doctrines of salvation. In 1798 the pope was captured and died in a French jail cell while the Vatican was closed down for business. Personally, I am sticking to the fall feasts fulfillment at the Second coming, in order. F0T, YK, Sukkot. Mainly because I think the fulfillment of these feasts is significant for the redemption of Israel, and has nothing to do with the church. I had another idea about it that i've just been getting. I'm not saying what it is because i don't think the people will like to hear it too much. I got the idea in the summer during the wild fires and the burning mountain falling into the sea. It was around the time that mr mb333 was showing this google map of all the wild fires burning around the world. And then there was this ABC news graphic. A third of the fish and a third of the ships destroyed. 153 fish and the word used for ship also means "vessel". The weaker vessel. Were a third of the people alive already marked for destruction at that time? Trumpets and Atonement might be symbolic for real things, real events, that are actually happening right now in the real Temple of God that we can't see. I always thought that they would be literal and then become the catalyst for the mark of the beast stuff. But Tabernacles, the in-gathering, might be hard to hide. My eschatology is different than most. I think there's going to be a second Exodus. Jesus is going to come back here and roll this whole place up like a scroll and put it in a suspended animation of sorts. Then He is going to take us and all of His People to the Father's House with many rooms for a big meeting. He is coming HERE to take us THERE. We are going to be traveling though space as a group along the same route that He and Gabriel took so many times before. I also put no stock in Scotty Clarke's theory re: FoT on 10/10. There are lots of holes in his theory and after wrestling with all of these various calendars floating around, I've re-centered on 2. These are the ones in actual common use today, the Gregorian and the Hebrew. The timing of the blood moon tetrad in 2014 and 15 tells me that the calendars are not off (and currently not a month behind either). I don't either. None of this menorah stuff gets me excited enough to want to go out and buy a bag of Doritos and celebrate. But something could happen at any minute, even this weekend. So, I still think the rapture of the church is a very special, one time event, not tied to any Jewish feast day and not on a day anyone expects. Tomorrow is 9/23, exactly one year from the sign and the eve of Sukkot. A rapture tomorrow would make sense from a man's point of view and would certainly provoke the Jews to jealousy, but with so many "watchers" focused on it, I doubt it's the day. Actually, Shimini Atzaret looks more promising. But even then, being tacked on to the end of Sukkot makes me think it will pass too, and we will still be here. I'm looking for a day when even the "watchers" are snoozing. I thought about this to. I'm always looking at the sentiment of the people. The Son of Man will come on a day and at an hour that you do not expect. But i try to keep an open mind and consider all of the possibilitys. I can change my mind pretty fast if the need be. A good watchman watches in all directions. While I have been convinced that 2018 would be the year, my hopes are fading. Not my hope in the blessed hope...just my hope for the rapture this year. No one can tell me I did not hear Him say "I AM coming soon" last August. It was clear as a bell. And no one can deny that many here and across the world have received the same message in their spirits. And all the physical and geo-political signs we are seeing seem to point to it. So, it's close, but how close? We have to remember that His ways and thoughts are so much higher than ours, and He is patient, desiring all to come to Christ and be saved. That's remarkable. My hopes have NOT diminished. I'm certain that it is happening now. I don't think that it's necessary for anyone else to be certain of this. If i am wrong, i am insane. I've been waiting for His return since the day I was born again. 42 years, 1 month and 9 days. I can wait a little more if I have to. None the less, I say, maranatha! Because I don't know, and you don't know...only God knows. So if He doesn't come for us this year, be of good cheer. After we've been in heaven for just a single day, the agony we are feeling in this present time of waiting will be insignificant. I was born born again. I knew the Lord in my mother's womb. I was speaking to the Lord when i was 3 and swinging from the willow tree vines in Rochester Hills Michigan. I might be a five point hyper Calvinist. "So if He doesn't come for us this year, be of good cheer. Then it will be on the first weekend of January 2019 when the sun is "darkened" and the moon will not give it's light. www.timeanddate.com/countdown/eclipse?iso=20190106Peaceful Sabbath.
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2018 13:15:57 GMT -6
Thanks Dave for the careful and detailed response. I'm watching every day. Every morning I get up and ask "Lord, is this the day?"
Hey, we were neighbors...grew up and lived in Ypsilanti/Ann Arbor most of my life. But in NH the past 18 years.
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Post by kjs on Sept 22, 2018 14:39:36 GMT -6
Fitz: Could you give a bit more info about your clear as bell message or point to the thread were you talked about it.
While I really want the rapture to happen soon (next few weeks) .... I am really coming down with the view that it will not happen during a feast of Israel......
I have a a suspicion that it will be an " ordinary day".
So I stopped watching the theory videos -- cause I start hoping and then get let down.. ..
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2018 14:58:57 GMT -6
Fitz: Could you give a bit more info about your clear as bell message or point to the thread were you talked about it. While I really want the rapture to happen soon (next few weeks) .... I am really coming down with the view that it will not happen during a feast of Israel...... I have a a suspicion that it will be an " ordinary day". So I stopped watching the theory videos -- cause I start hoping and then get let down.. .. PM'ing you.
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