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Post by cwood85 on May 30, 2019 19:51:40 GMT -6
Daily sacrifices cease at the AOD, so for the AOD to occur, the daily sacrifices must resume... For the daily sacrifices to resume, the Jews must perform the ceremony of the Red Heifer to cleanse the Holy Place.... A candidate for the Red Heifer was born in Israel in August 2018, but now there are several more candidates..... The Jews have moved up the date that defines a heifer from 3 to 2 years.....targeting 2020-2021 The ceremony of the Red Heifer in 2020-2021 fits the hypothesis of the 70th week from 2017-2024.... My radar is on high alert for the following: - Saudi "cause to strengthen covenant" as in the fall of 2017 - The red heifer ceremony, followed by resumption of daily sacrifices overseen by the Sanhedrin - Food pressure from now through 2020 www.breakingisraelnews.com/tag/red-heifer/Why would sacrifices ceasing be an abomination? Abomination to who? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:11:56 GMT -6
Where did I say sacrifices ceasing would be an abomination?
Cwood, what is your view of Daniel 9:27? There is a cease to sacrifices, and an abomination......do you believe they are one and the same, and if so, why?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:24:27 GMT -6
In my view they are not one and the same.....one precedes the other....a cease to sacrifices, and then an abomination Jesus referenced.....not sure of your question....?
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Post by cwood85 on May 30, 2019 20:25:48 GMT -6
“Daily sacrifices cease at the AOD, so for the AOD to occur, the daily sacrifices must resume...”
I think I may have misunderstood you where it’s bold font above. You are stating the AOD must occur to stop the proposed future daily sacrifices?
What would be an abomination in a man made temple?
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Post by cwood85 on May 30, 2019 20:30:05 GMT -6
Another way of saying it would be abomination of destruction, as desolations are referring to destruction. Wings of abomination are meaning the abomination is widespread, all around.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:30:52 GMT -6
Poor communication on my part....sacrifices cease, the AOD follows immediately as stated in Daniel 9:27
What I was trying to communicate is that daily sacrifices must be reinstated prior to a cessation of daily sacrifices, and subsequently the AOD....and, the Jews are planning a red heifer ceremony to cleanse the Holy Place so that daily sacrifices may resume, by means of the red heifer ceremony
To answer your concern....there must be a reinstating of sacrifices to set a stage for cessation of daily sacrifices. Daily sacrifices will not resume until a red heifer ceremony of cleansing. I am on high alert for a red heifer ceremony.....these will occur before an AOD, whatever you think that is.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:49:24 GMT -6
I believe the stop to sacrifices relates to the 2300 evenings and mornings of Daniel......the evening and morning sacrifices, or 1150 days, which from the midpoint of Passover week 2021 until Second Passover 2024 is exactly 1150 days
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Post by cwood85 on May 30, 2019 20:49:27 GMT -6
“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.” NASB Version
Jesus does not say the abomination is in a temple, but in the Holy place we’re it ought not to be. He does not use the word temple.
“Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)...”
Here is a breakdown from strongs on the words Jesus uses for Holy place, because he was being very specific and even Matthew notes to let the reader understand as in really really pay attention here.
••••••From Strongs••••••
40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other ("otherness"), holy; for the believer, 40 (hágios) means "likeness of nature with the Lord" because "different from the world."
The fundamental (core) meaning of 40 (hágios) is "different" – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios ("holy") because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios ("holy") has the "technical" meaning "different from the world" because "like the Lord."
[40 (hágios) implies something "set apart" and therefore "different (distinguished/distinct)" – i.e. "other," because special to the Lord.]
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I do not think a man made temple is going to be Holy or special to the Lord. Particularly one were blasphemous sacrifices are being done in or at.
At least in regards to what is thought this passage is referencing to in modern theology.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 20:57:08 GMT -6
cwood, with all respect, I do not see where your post is related to anything I have posted.....the point I am making is that for a stop to sacrifice to occur, there must be a reinstitution of sacrifice first, and that a red heifer ceremony must occur for that reinstitution.....maybe I am missing your point entirely. These must occur before an AOD....whatever you think that is, I have not commented on the nature of the AOD
That said, I will not argue with you about it on this forum
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Post by Natalie on May 30, 2019 21:13:10 GMT -6
And this is not the thread discussing the AOD and need for a temple. This is a thread to keep track of the red heifers. Because whatever someone believes about the need for sacrifices and the red heifers doesn't really matter in the light of the fact that some in Israel are preparing red heifers.
Please feel free to start a new thread or find one that discusses the AOD.
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Post by cwood85 on May 30, 2019 22:04:27 GMT -6
cwood, with all respect, I do not see where your post is related to anything I have posted.....the point I am making is that for a stop to sacrifice to occur, there must be a reinstitution of sacrifice first, and that a red heifer ceremony must occur for that reinstitution.....maybe I am missing your point entirely. These must occur before an AOD....whatever you think that is, I have not commented on the nature of the AOD That said, I will not argue with you about it on this forum Didn’t realize I was arguing?  ?? I apologize if I seem like I was and was not aware I was a part of anything other than a discussion. Typed conversations are sometimes difficult as I am rather blunt and do not mean any ill will. Just not gracious with words tbh. My point in my post and maybe I am not being very clear or conveying what is in my head into typing, is the tying together of the red heifer with what is in Daniel and what Jesus referring to because the Jews have already started sacrificing on important dates several times a year and are daily sacrifices only to start because of a red heifer?
Jesus is referring to a Holy place not a temple nor is the word temple is not used in Daniel 9:27 by Gabriel. Just trying to see and understand why this is tied together as being something that is a necessity or only to occur with a red heifer? I did ask questions that are related to the topic which is about the red heifer and the temple that it is to be placed in for sacrifice (and my questions have gone unanswered) being sacrificed and then analyzing the words Jesus did use in the verses that are assumed or taught as to be referring to a physical third temple that a red heifer will be sacrificed in. I also clarified where I had a misunderstanding of what was posted. Since the red heifer is needed to properly cleanse the temple according to Judaism (?), is Jesus referring to a third temple as a Holy place and why is it taught that he is? Hope that is on topic enough. If not please move to the appropriate thread. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 22:14:04 GMT -6
cwood....it's hard communicating on the internet!  Observant Jews believe in a ritual cleansing of the "holy place" before daily sacrifices can resume....this is accomplished through the ashes of the red heifer. Hence, daily sacrifices will not resume until this ceremony is accomplished......this is a stated goal of the Temple Institute, which has performed Passover sacrifices as you noted in recent years. They have gone to the trouble of raising red heifers, and now have more than a few candidates, and have targeted 2020/2021 for the ceremony....the oldest one was born in August 2018, which makes a fall 2020 event possible if even likely..... They can explain it much better than I can.....see the link below for a thorough discussion of the red heifer from the religious Jewish viewpoint: www.templeinstitute.org/red_heifer/red_heifer_contents.htmThey will not resume the daily sacrifices referenced in Daniel until this is accomplished, which will be the 10th red heifer ceremony since Moses performed the first, according to the Mishna. The stop to sacrifices referenced in Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 8 imply a resumption of daily sacrifices will occur prior to the AOD....which the Jews will not resume until a red heifer ceremony occurs, as they perfomed after the desecration of Antiochus Epiphanes To quote the first sentence of the Introduction of the above link: "In our own times, the commandment of the red heifer takes on more and more significance. For without it, the Divine service of the Holy Temple cannot be resumed." |
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Post by Natalie on May 31, 2019 8:51:50 GMT -6
I think that it is taught that it is the Temple because that is the center for the Jews. That is their holiest place. Now we know that they are incorrect and don't need a temple. And if it is going to be a physical AOD take place then there has to be something physical there.
We have a thread on if a physical temple is necessary, but it's gotten kind of long.
But looking at the things happening in the world, there is a desire for red heifers and for a Temple. Red heifers are being raised. We shouldn't use the news to interpret the Bible, but when we read the Bible and see things that correspond in the news, it's worth keeping an eye on. I know not everyone sees a physical temple being built, but maybe it's just one of those "wait and see" type things.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 9:54:54 GMT -6
Natalie, I couldn't agree more!
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 11, 2020 19:35:48 GMT -6
doctormom , gkp , venge , fitz , stormyknight , klb , nana , Natalie , mike , Thought you all would be interested in this - I was totally blown away. Where's a statistics and probability guy when you need one? yardstick Beuuuuller?? This is astounding on several levels, but first of all, because since I discovered my family's Jewish roots, we have been on a journey to understand the Feasts and how they are God's prophetic calendar. I never knew about or have never heard of the Sabbath of the Red Heifer. It's a thing. In another mind-numbing string of coincidences - [OK, so let's all play a game where we hypothetically make up a day, like a special sabbath, and then - let's pretend that we could put our day on any date we want - to make it like it was planned or some "divine appointed day"] So the special Sabbath of the Red Heifer - turns out is 3 1/2 years from Feast of Trumpets 2020. But wait ... Wait for it. . . It's not just 3 1/2 years. I t's exactly 1260 days precisely - exactly according to the 1260 prophetic days in Daniel. Then, let's compound our game of making days land on another date, to make the coincidence even more inconceivable. So, from Feast of Trumpets/ Rosh Hoshanah 2020, to the Sabbath of the Red Heifer is 1260 days, and it's 2550 days from FOT/Rosh Hoshanah 2020 to Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur, 2027. The exact number of the two specific day counts given in Daniel and Revelation - 1260 [3 1/2 prophetic/ Hebrew years] + 1290 days = 2550 days. But it's not just that the total number of days equals 2550 days -[ that in itself is amazing] - but the astounding thing is that it's the exact number of these specific day counts, from Feast of Trumpets to Sabbath of the Red Heifer, and then the second exact set of days, 1290 days from the Sabbath of the Red Heifer to Day of Atonement - 2027. What are the odds?? Aside from the fact that it's stunningly accurate - to the exact day, what's even more significant is that Day of Atonement is seen and understood by Jews everywhere to be the day of Judgment, - when God gives the sentence and the day that the Door of heaven is shut. [It's the 10th of Tishri, and there are 7 days in between FOT and Day of Atonement.] I love how Dr Barry Awe says it. "The 7 days of Awe, become 7 years of Awe. Then, it's even more astounding, because Day of Atonement, 2550 days from FOT, 2020 would be the 6th Feast to be fulfilled in perfect order and perfect precision, and the 7th one is already written - we know when and how it is fulfilled, It's when all the nations of the earth, celebrate the Feast of Booths - He Tabernacles with US in the 4th Temple/ Millennial reign, as prophesied in Zechariah.
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?? I apologize if I seem like I was and was not aware I was a part of anything other than a discussion. Typed conversations are sometimes difficult as I am rather blunt and do not mean any ill will. Just not gracious with words tbh. 
Observant Jews believe in a ritual cleansing of the "holy place" before daily sacrifices can resume....this is accomplished through the ashes of the red heifer. Hence, daily sacrifices will not resume until this ceremony is accomplished......this is a stated goal of the Temple Institute, which has performed Passover sacrifices as you noted in recent years. They have gone to the trouble of raising red heifers, and now have more than a few candidates, and have targeted 2020/2021 for the ceremony....the oldest one was born in August 2018, which makes a fall 2020 event possible if even likely.....
