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Post by mike on Sept 14, 2020 8:06:18 GMT -6
Natalie , mike , disciple4life , klb , yardstick , Is it just me, or does anyone else think that it is not like God to be unprecise or sloppy. ?? It's inconsistent with his character. In other words, I don't see a scenario where we have the rapture and these dates don't line up - unless all the feast dates, appointed times are a total fluke, or that there's no divine pattern - all just randomness. It would mean that the first four events - Passover, Unleavened bread, firstfruits and Pentecost just accidentally fell on those days, yardstick , like the odds of rolling a "3" on a dice 33 times straight in a row. For me, that's no more an option than saying the trinity is a fluke, And the only other scenario, - I'm just trying to imagine here, is that it's like Most Christians actually think [scary]  - They may agree that the first four feasts happened in perfect sequence, but "That was under the law" or before Christ came, and they disregard the 3 Future Fall Feasts as having any significance to Christians/ Not for Us -- so it's basically a version of "the total randomness model" . but this is incorrect because we know from Zechariah that the last Feast - Sukkot is for all the nations of the earth, - Jew and Gentile to be celebrated every year in the Millennial reign. (Also it becomes rather hard for these people to make the case that God is the same yesterday and today and forever. ) What am i missing?? Hello all, I do not think God is sloppy and agree He is very precise. Nothing is by accident or without reason. Sometimes we are not to know those reasons for they are His to know! Regarding dates lining up - there are a few other scenarios to consider. I have taken this info from another post where Pastor Thad presents the metonic cycles. I will list only those which have 2550 days: September 26, 2014 to September 18, 2021 September 22, 2017 to September 14, 2024 September 28, 2022 to September 20, 2029 September 25, 2025 to September 16, 2032 In the time frames above we have to add a 30 day month every 7 times every 19 years to keep the (lunar) calendar in line (with the solar). Mathematically there is a unique 7 year time frame within the 19 year cycle to reconcile 1260 & 1290. Other 7 year cycles (not listed in the above) within 19 year cycles the day counts come out close (several at 2580-ish) but not precise. We are in one of the unique 7 year time frame now. This cycle suggested in the video D4L presented is from September 20, 2020 to March 20, 2024 (1260) + 1290 arriving at October 20, 2027 What we know - (yes the 4 spring feasts were fulfilled) the 3 fall feasts are not fulfilled yet. We do not know when they will be. It could be in the millennium. they could be fulfilled partially before the millennium or a combo of both. We simply dont know. I would ask those pondering to consider...the 70th week of Daniel, applies to what audience, Jews or the church? Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.The new covenant applies to whom the church or the Jews? Rom 11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means!...11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous...15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?...17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.This covenant made with the Jews which theyve rejected allows those who are not Jews to participate in their covenant being grafted in. The first four feast were feasts of the Jews, as are the final three. Will the rapture of the unnatural branch fulfill a feast? One other thing to consider is where you place the rapture in any of those date models. There is no proof (sorry JD) that it must take place at the onset of the 70th week. When the Jews rejected the Lord the timeclock in "the game" was paused. As in a soccer match the game continues but there is time to account for injuries adding time to the 90 minute game. We have been in that "injury time" for 2000 years. But the Referee is about to end the injury time (if He hasnt already) and allow the final few minutes of the game to proceed (if He hasnt already).
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Post by Natalie on Sept 14, 2020 10:36:36 GMT -6
One thing I have been thinking also is that this 19 year cycle is a manmade calendar to keep things in line. If I understand correctly, it's not how the calendar used to be figured (by counting the barley harvest and adding an extra month then if needed). So, when God starts the clock again, I am sure that He will have the calendar line up perfectly. We may not be able to calculate the exact time frame now. Are they the "feasts of the Jews" or the "feasts of the LORD"?  The church started on a specific day, would it end on a random one? I honestly don't know, but I lean toward "no". FOT seems logical to me, but I know that we won't know until after the fact.
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Post by stormyknight on Sept 14, 2020 13:18:56 GMT -6
One thing I have been thinking also is that this 19 year cycle is a manmade calendar to keep things in line. If I understand correctly, it's not how the calendar used to be figured (by counting the barley harvest and adding an extra month then if needed). So, when God starts the clock again, I am sure that He will have the calendar line up perfectly. We may not be able to calculate the exact time frame now. Are they the "feasts of the Jews" or the "feasts of the LORD"?  The church started on a specific day, would it end on a random one? I honestly don't know, but I lean toward "no". FOT seems logical to me, but I know that we won't know until after the fact. just to interject (as my usual, lol), when God starts the clock again, we will have a NEW heaven and NEW earth! So, new constellations? Perhaps an Earth with no tilt so that there will be perfect weather always? I'm sure it all will be wondrous to behold!!
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 14, 2020 15:35:55 GMT -6
One thing I have been thinking also is that this 19 year cycle is a manmade calendar to keep things in line. If I understand correctly, it's not how the calendar used to be figured (by counting the barley harvest and adding an extra month then if needed). So, when God starts the clock again, I am sure that He will have the calendar line up perfectly. We may not be able to calculate the exact time frame now. Are they the "feasts of the Jews" or the "feasts of the LORD"?  The church started on a specific day, would it end on a random one? I honestly don't know, but I lean toward "no". FOT seems logical to me, but I know that we won't know until after the fact. [Edit: Also, You are correct, Natalie - they are listed as Feasts of the Lord, not Feasts of the Jews. The interesting thing was that Foreign servants and guests could take part in Passover and be protected - but on the condition that they were circumcised. It gets dicey - Paul said let no one judge you because of a Shabbat/ Sabbath, Feast or a New Moon, [See that Feast of Trumpets picture there- It's the only Feast on a New Moon] We are not under the law - and the Lord told Peter that everything was clean to eat with thanksgiving. But the thing we also need to consider is that we as Gentiles all benefit from Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits and Pentecost - the birth of the church. Zechariah also said that all nations of the earth will celebrate the Feast of Booths/Tabernacles in the millennium, - when Christ Tabernacles with Us. Wow.!! ]Yes, I agree - God's ways are perfect , and his ways are higher than our ways - which means that some things we just won't know until we are all in heaven. Now we see through a glass dimly, but then face to face. ;-) But with that said, it underscores why so many many scholars and living room watchmen are saying this is it. God is a God of precision. I understand what you are saying re that it depends on what calendar you use. Pastor Jerry Toney is using Torah Calendar as far as I recall. But i think regardless of which calendar one uses, it doesn't change the incredible of 3 Super Blood moons and 3 solar eclipses, in the 3 1/2 year time frame [? First half of 70th week as some understand it] and then perfectly mirrored --- 3 Blood moons and 3 solar eclipses in the second 3 1/2 year time frame. I find it also amazing that this year Feast of Trumpets is on a Sabbath, and can't help but wonder about the fact that all of Israel will be on Lockdown - and there are loudspeakers going up on the Temple Mount. I also keep thinking over and over again - about how Christ ministry started in 27 AD, and now, 2000 years later - here we are. What a great way to change from the time of the Gentiles to the Time of Jacob - - at the End of the Summer Harvest, - On a Sabbath, - at the Last Trumpet, - on the day when the Door of heaven is opened, - on the day Jews believe the Great Resurrection will happen, - and on the Coronation of the King - and 2000 years from when he started his ministry - and in the year of Trump/Pence. - and it would be really amazing if the shofar is blown on the Temple Mount - for the first time in 1950 years. Hmmmm.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 14, 2020 15:47:48 GMT -6
I agree.
And I think we are in the season of His return.
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Post by mike on Sept 14, 2020 16:10:32 GMT -6
Will the shofar be blown? Israel is now back in lockdown for 3 weeks
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