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Post by boraddict on Jun 15, 2018 1:49:17 GMT -6
HI boraddict! I am following what you are presenting and will have some thoughts back, but just wanted you to know that I am not able to give as much time to reading thoroughly your posts. I want to be sure I am seeing your train of thought here and be sure I am following what you say before commenting. Thank you Barb. The jest of what I am presenting is that the number 4 is scripturally significant and the three woes beginning at Chapter nine have a preceding woe (the 1st of four), and it is found in Chapter 7. However, this very first woe (Chapter 7) is not technically a woe but an expansion of the first woe found in Chapter nine. Nevertheless, this expansion (Chapter 7) is counted as one of the four horsemen and one of the four angels; thus, it is also one of the four woes. The first woe of Chapter 9 along with its Chapter 7 expansion is denoted in the following combined verses: The Chapter 7 expansion as the 4th horsemen (v. 6:8) The Chapter 9 (1st woe) as the 3rd horsemen (v. 6:5-6) Verses 6:8, 5-6, And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Notice above there is 1 measure of wheat and 3 measures of barley. This is the 1 (expansion woe, Chapter 7) and the 3 woes of Chapters 9-19. Secondly, it is a famine and there is a "balance" of those 1) being destroyed and those 2) being protected. Of those protected there are the wheat and barley and these represent the two harvests of the justified. These justified are also called "the oil and the wine" that denotes that they are those who partake of the emblems of Christ. Thus, Death and Hell that are the beast and false prophet that were given power to kill with the sword, hunger, death, and the beasts of the earth will not have power to kill the wheat and the barley that are purchased via Christ and denoted as the oil and the wine. The Chapter 7 expansion as the 4th angel (v. 8:12) The Chapter 9 (1st woe) as the 3rd angel (v. 8:10-11) Verses 8:12, 10-11, And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. And the third angel sounded, fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. Notice above that this is classic Chapter 18. Can you see the rapture in the sun, moon, and stars? Notice that the sun is smitten and the stars are darkened. That is, the second reference to the stars is that they are darkened. Okay, so now look at Verses 12:1 and 12:4 as follows: Verses 12:1 & 4, And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun (Christ), and the moon (the church) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (servants): And his tail drew the third part of the stars (those who are darkened) of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Also notice that "there fell a great star from heaven" this is "the dragon." Also, the third part of the waters meaning the people became wormwood (Satan) and these wormwood killed "many men" because they (the wormwood) were made bitter meaning became Satan's. Verses 18:21-23, And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee (no jobs); and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee (no jobs); and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee (again, no jobs); And the light of a candle (the sun) shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride (the sun and the moon) shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth (followers of Christ that are now raptured); for by thy (false prophet) sorceries were all nations deceived.
Keep in mind that the "third part" is merely a reference to the three woes in particular and to other aspects of the prophecy in general. Also keep in mind that this interpretation may be primary but there are a multitude of other applications to these verses. The Chapter 7 expansion as the 4th angel of the seven angels (v. 16:8-9) The Chapter 9 (1st woe) as the 3rd angel of the seven angels (v. 16:4-7) It is getting late and so I am going to stop; however, if you want this last part explained just let me know. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jun 15, 2018 6:08:05 GMT -6
One piece at a time, and maybe this part you explain is not important to the 1 plus 3 woes, but you said:
The oil would seem to me to reference annointed ones. Either those to be raptured, or those who come to faith during the tribulation. And with the word wine, everytime I see reference to vine, vineyard, grapes, wine etc. I believe this refers to those who are destined for the winepress (Ch 14). They are reeped when the grapes are ripe.
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Post by boraddict on Jun 15, 2018 9:29:07 GMT -6
One piece at a time, and maybe this part you explain is not important to the 1 plus 3 woes, but you said: The oil would seem to me to reference annointed ones. Either those to be raptured, or those who come to faith during the tribulation. And with the word wine, everytime I see reference to vine, vineyard, grapes, wine etc. I believe this refers to those who are destined for the winepress (Ch 14). They are reeped when the grapes are ripe. The oil is being used to represent the followers of Christ as a teraphim; a healing for others to build courage of faith. You know, like the man that was blind and Lord Jesus spit on some dirt to make mud and placed that mud on the man's eyelids. The man did not have enough faith for the healing to occur so a teraphim (the mud) was needed to increase faith. In this case the oil, that traditional teraphim that is used by many Christian faiths for healing, represents the Savior's healers as those who increase the faith of others and those others are the wine. In other words, the verse states: "see thou hurt not the oil (the faith builders that are the 144,000) and the wine (the people of the covenant as in the bread and wine sacrament). I do see the contrasting parts that you are referencing and there may be a further application of that in some analysis. These verses are so very profound and complicated. Keep in mind that the wheat/barley and oil/wine harmonize as those being protected whereas on the other side of the "balance" are those being killed by the plagues. The barley harvest is the oil and the wheat harvest is the wine. Thus, when the wheat harvest arrives at Verse 14:14-16, the "cloud" are those of the barley harvest. Thus, the rapture of Verse 7:1 is the barley harvest and is represented in Verses 14:1-13 and expanded upon in Chapter 19 Verses 1-10. The wheat harvest follows in Verses 14:14-16 and is expanded upon at Verses 19:11-21. These are the first and second woes of Chapter 9; the barley and wheat harvests. |
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Post by boraddict on Jun 19, 2018 23:09:31 GMT -6
Two days ago my husband had a type of dream within which someone stated the date was 6/15/11.
As he considered this he could not reconcile that the date of 6/15/18 was in fact 6/15/11.
He shared this dream and I was surprised when I considered that a set of four numbers I had previously received might in fact be a date because the first three numbers were 5/4/11.
If the four numbers that I received were in fact a date then the year 2011 is the year in common between two separate revelations between myself and my husband. I would also add that he never pays close attention to my scripture work and would not have usurped the year from my set of four numbers since I believed the numbers to represent the number of people going on the first phase of the rapture (approx. 550,000). Thus, the four numbers as a date had never been considered.
So considering the four numbers as a date I can account for a 3.5 year adjustment because I believe Christ was born in 3 AD. This accommodation would move our year of 2018 AD to 2014 AD (2018 - 3.5 = 2014.5); given that Christ was born at the beginning of 1 AD. That is, since Christ was born at approximately 3.5 AD then the beginning of 1 AD could be moved to his actual birth providing an adjustment from 2018 to 2014. However, I can not account for the remaining 3.5 years to bring the current year to 2011. Does this make sense to anyone?
How can the year be adjusted an additional 3.5 years to bring 2018 (an incorrect year) to 2011 (the correct year)? Thus, where did the calendar gain 7 years? As I said, the first 3.5 years is gained by adjusting the AD/BC marker away from the actual birth of Christ at approximately 3.5 BC to the center of 1 AD / 1 BC.
It is a little tricky. The first 3.5 years are actual years and the second 3.5 years were added in but never actually existed. Thus, for example, one day was 12/31/27 AD and the next day was 1/1/30 AD, or something like that. Anyway, our calendar appears to be off by seven years and what significance is that to us?
Post Script:
They had to show Christ being 30 years old to start his ministry; thus, they counted 1 AD through 30 AD as Christ's mortality and ministry and this added approximately 3.5 years to the calendar. Because, the end of Christ's ministry was 27 AD and he was born in 3 BC. Thus, it is the year 2011 and not 2018.
I do not know why that is important. Perhaps it is not that important but simply an answer to a prayer a few months back when I started another thread about this subject.
The four numbers that I was given in revelation is 5, 4, 11, 80. I have to laugh now that I can see 5/4/11/AD. That is so funny. It must have been 5/4/2018 when I received the four numbers.
Post Post Script:
Since there were only 3 years or so added to the calendar (27 AD - 30 AD) then we are from the birth of Christ: 2018 minus the phantom 3 years. Thus, we are 2015 years from the birth of Christ; however, if we keep the marker of 1 AD then the year is 2011.
I think the main point is that three years were added to the calendar (perhaps unintentionally when it was created) to show that Lord Jesus started his ministry when he was 30 years old in 30 AD. However, Daniel's prophecy shows 27 AD and not 30 AD as the correct year.
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