Post by boraddict on Jun 9, 2018 12:23:25 GMT -6
KJV
I found the four judgments several years ago. Then after a time of study, I came to understand that there were not actually four but three judgments. Nevertheless, since they were listed as four then I have left them as such. The four judgments are found in the four horsemen and four angels as well as the first four of the seven angels.
For example, in Verse 9:14 where it states "Saying to the sixth angel (whom I believe to be the 144,000 due to an identifying application of the sixth seal at Verses 6:12-7:17), which had the trumpet (in this case the right of administration), Loose the four angels (this is not all four judgments but one of the four) which are bound (meaning pertaining to) in the great river Euphrates (and this is the armies poised against Israel). Thus, Verse 9:14 is saying to the 144,000 that has the right of administration: Loose the judgment that pertains to the great armies poised against Israel. Then in Verse 9:15-16 the four angels (one of the four judgments) is released upon the armies that are poised against Israel numbering 200 million. The verses are as follows:
9:14-16 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Now, this analysis does not negate that which is already believed by many; but it adds another layer of information.
So I begin with the first of the four judgments and this first one is established via the second at Verses 8:10-11, 9:1, and 16:4-7.
8:10-11 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became* wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
16:4-7 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Notice that the "great star from heaven" in Rev. 8:10 is the "star fall from heaven" in Rev. 9:1. Thus, the first woe is at Verses 8:10-11 due to the link to the first woe beginning at Verse 9:1.
Next, consider the "fountains of waters" in Rev. 8:10 that links to the "fountains of waters" at Rev. 16:4. Notice that this angel at Verse 16:4 holds the third position as does the angel at Verse 8:10. That is, they are both referenced as the third angel and linked by "the fountains of waters." Since the referenced connections (Rev. 8:10 & 16:4) of the third angel is the first woe (Rev. 8:10 & 9:1) then the third angel is the first woe. That is, the third angel is the second judgment; the first woe.
Now to locate the first judgment. Consider that in the list of four angels, the third angel has two angels preceding (the first and second) and only one (the fourth angel) following. It is reasonable therefore that the fourth angel is the first judgment and the second angel as well as the first are the third and fourth judgments. Thus, the four judgments are listed in reverse (descending verse numbers) as follows:
1st judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:7-8
8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
16:8-9 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
6:7-8 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
2nd judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:10-11, 16:4-7, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:5-6
8:10-11 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became* wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
16:4-7 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and* fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
6:5-6 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
3rd judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:3-4
8:8-9 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
6:3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
4th judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:7, 16:2, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:1-2
8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
6:1-2 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Additionally, when the term "four angels" is used then it may be referencing one or more of the above four judgments.
So with the first judgment power is given to "Death and Hell" (Rev. 6:8) that are the beast (Rev. 13:1) and the false prophet (Rev. 13:11).
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Together they inflict the four plagues: "to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth" (Rev. 6:8 above) and these are listed in Rev. 18:8 as "death, mourning, and famine, and she shall be utterly burned with fire.
18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
The plagues of Verses 6:8 and 18:8 are harmonized as follows:
1) to kill with the sward is to death
2) hunger is to famine
3) death is to mourning
4) beasts of the earth is to utterly burned with fire
These plagues link to Rev. 17:16 via "burned with fire," and this verse is part of the Chapter 13 summary in Chapter 17 (Rev. 17:8-18). Thus, the first judgment begins with the rise of the beast.
17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
However, this part of the analysis combines the first and second judgments. Technically, however, Rev. 9:1 is the second judgment. That is, the first and second judgments are simply one combined judgement beginning at Rev. 9:1. However, there is something that differentiates the two (Rev. 7:1 from Rev. 9:1) and that is the separation that breaks the first judgment (one of three) into two judgments (one and two of four). What I mean to say is, the first judgment (first of four) is distinguished from the second (second of four) due to the rapture. Thus, the second judgment although technically the same as the first, is distinguished by the rapture. Thus the following is true of the four judgments:
1st judgment, the rapture has not taken place
1st judgment (1st woe), the rapture has taken place
2nd judgment (2nd woe)
3rd judgment 3rd woe)
As you can see, the first judgment is the first of four; however, it is also the first of three that is the first of the three woes. This means that the rapture is contained within, or rather, has not occurred before the first of the four judgments.
Thus, as Rev. 6:8 begins the rapture has not taken place, but as Rev. 6:6 begins the rapture has already taken place. This means that the rapture takes place after the beginning of the first plague but before the the beginning of the second plague (numbers 1 & 2 above).
The same is true for Rev. 16:8-9 and Rev. 16:4-7 (the first and second judgments of four, also referenced as the first of three, or the first of the three woes). Thus, after Rev. 16:8-9 begins then the rapture takes place and when Rev. 16:4-7 begins then the rapture has already taken place. Likewise, as Rev. 8:12 begins rapture takes place and then as Rev. 8:10-11 begins then the rapture has already taken place.
It follows that the rapture has taken place before Rev. 9:1, and it took place during the 6th seal, between Rev. 6:12 and 7:17. Thus, the four angels that means one of the four judgments is at Verse 7:1, then the first judgment begins there and not at Verse 6:12 that is referencing the sixth seal; the sixth one thousand year period within which the first judgment occurs.
A side note: This means that the angel of Rev. 7:2 is the fifth and is the same as the fifth angel in Rev. 9:1. It also means that since the first four angels represents the four judgments then the fifth angel is literal, the sixth angel is the 144,000 and the seventh angel is literal. Since there are two that are employed by the Savior to bring forth the Book of Revelation then the two individuals in Rev. 1:1 (John and the angel) are the fifth and seventh angels respectively; not the purpose of this thread.
I found the four judgments several years ago. Then after a time of study, I came to understand that there were not actually four but three judgments. Nevertheless, since they were listed as four then I have left them as such. The four judgments are found in the four horsemen and four angels as well as the first four of the seven angels.
For example, in Verse 9:14 where it states "Saying to the sixth angel (whom I believe to be the 144,000 due to an identifying application of the sixth seal at Verses 6:12-7:17), which had the trumpet (in this case the right of administration), Loose the four angels (this is not all four judgments but one of the four) which are bound (meaning pertaining to) in the great river Euphrates (and this is the armies poised against Israel). Thus, Verse 9:14 is saying to the 144,000 that has the right of administration: Loose the judgment that pertains to the great armies poised against Israel. Then in Verse 9:15-16 the four angels (one of the four judgments) is released upon the armies that are poised against Israel numbering 200 million. The verses are as follows:
9:14-16 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Now, this analysis does not negate that which is already believed by many; but it adds another layer of information.
So I begin with the first of the four judgments and this first one is established via the second at Verses 8:10-11, 9:1, and 16:4-7.
8:10-11 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became* wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
16:4-7 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Notice that the "great star from heaven" in Rev. 8:10 is the "star fall from heaven" in Rev. 9:1. Thus, the first woe is at Verses 8:10-11 due to the link to the first woe beginning at Verse 9:1.
Next, consider the "fountains of waters" in Rev. 8:10 that links to the "fountains of waters" at Rev. 16:4. Notice that this angel at Verse 16:4 holds the third position as does the angel at Verse 8:10. That is, they are both referenced as the third angel and linked by "the fountains of waters." Since the referenced connections (Rev. 8:10 & 16:4) of the third angel is the first woe (Rev. 8:10 & 9:1) then the third angel is the first woe. That is, the third angel is the second judgment; the first woe.
Now to locate the first judgment. Consider that in the list of four angels, the third angel has two angels preceding (the first and second) and only one (the fourth angel) following. It is reasonable therefore that the fourth angel is the first judgment and the second angel as well as the first are the third and fourth judgments. Thus, the four judgments are listed in reverse (descending verse numbers) as follows:
1st judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:7-8
8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
16:8-9 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
6:7-8 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
2nd judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:10-11, 16:4-7, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:5-6
8:10-11 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became* wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
16:4-7 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and* fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
6:5-6 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
3rd judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:3-4
8:8-9 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
6:3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
4th judgment as an angel is located at Rev. 8:7, 16:2, and as a horsemen at Rev. 6:1-2
8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
6:1-2 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Additionally, when the term "four angels" is used then it may be referencing one or more of the above four judgments.
So with the first judgment power is given to "Death and Hell" (Rev. 6:8) that are the beast (Rev. 13:1) and the false prophet (Rev. 13:11).
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Together they inflict the four plagues: "to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth" (Rev. 6:8 above) and these are listed in Rev. 18:8 as "death, mourning, and famine, and she shall be utterly burned with fire.
18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
The plagues of Verses 6:8 and 18:8 are harmonized as follows:
1) to kill with the sward is to death
2) hunger is to famine
3) death is to mourning
4) beasts of the earth is to utterly burned with fire
These plagues link to Rev. 17:16 via "burned with fire," and this verse is part of the Chapter 13 summary in Chapter 17 (Rev. 17:8-18). Thus, the first judgment begins with the rise of the beast.
17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
However, this part of the analysis combines the first and second judgments. Technically, however, Rev. 9:1 is the second judgment. That is, the first and second judgments are simply one combined judgement beginning at Rev. 9:1. However, there is something that differentiates the two (Rev. 7:1 from Rev. 9:1) and that is the separation that breaks the first judgment (one of three) into two judgments (one and two of four). What I mean to say is, the first judgment (first of four) is distinguished from the second (second of four) due to the rapture. Thus, the second judgment although technically the same as the first, is distinguished by the rapture. Thus the following is true of the four judgments:
1st judgment, the rapture has not taken place
1st judgment (1st woe), the rapture has taken place
2nd judgment (2nd woe)
3rd judgment 3rd woe)
As you can see, the first judgment is the first of four; however, it is also the first of three that is the first of the three woes. This means that the rapture is contained within, or rather, has not occurred before the first of the four judgments.
Thus, as Rev. 6:8 begins the rapture has not taken place, but as Rev. 6:6 begins the rapture has already taken place. This means that the rapture takes place after the beginning of the first plague but before the the beginning of the second plague (numbers 1 & 2 above).
The same is true for Rev. 16:8-9 and Rev. 16:4-7 (the first and second judgments of four, also referenced as the first of three, or the first of the three woes). Thus, after Rev. 16:8-9 begins then the rapture takes place and when Rev. 16:4-7 begins then the rapture has already taken place. Likewise, as Rev. 8:12 begins rapture takes place and then as Rev. 8:10-11 begins then the rapture has already taken place.
It follows that the rapture has taken place before Rev. 9:1, and it took place during the 6th seal, between Rev. 6:12 and 7:17. Thus, the four angels that means one of the four judgments is at Verse 7:1, then the first judgment begins there and not at Verse 6:12 that is referencing the sixth seal; the sixth one thousand year period within which the first judgment occurs.
A side note: This means that the angel of Rev. 7:2 is the fifth and is the same as the fifth angel in Rev. 9:1. It also means that since the first four angels represents the four judgments then the fifth angel is literal, the sixth angel is the 144,000 and the seventh angel is literal. Since there are two that are employed by the Savior to bring forth the Book of Revelation then the two individuals in Rev. 1:1 (John and the angel) are the fifth and seventh angels respectively; not the purpose of this thread.
