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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 20:44:09 GMT -6
The above are Jesus words.
Messiah is due 2 days (which is 1960 years = 4 x 7 x 70 years) from Jesus birth/conception at Christmas year 0ad (by definition +/- error in our dating incl year zero or two year zeros if his real birthday was prior to 0bc).
According to John 20 he rose before dawn while it was still dark on the second day. Meaning before 1960 using Biblical "day" counting. In the Gospels we are warned it shall be "before midnight" which I believe means "just before he's expected (ie before 1960).
But Elijah must come before Messiah and do what's recorded in 1 Kings 17 onwards.
My first observation of myself is that I was conceived Christ Mass 1956 and born Atonement Day 1957. If I be Elijah then it means that Messiah will have been born some time after me but not more than 3 years and 3 months after me.
So, my first "claim" is that I fit the bill in terms of birth date in respect to actual year and Christ Mass Day and Atonement Day. Three proofs or coincidences.
That's step 1. I'll give a chance for comment, rebuke or whatever before moving to step 2.
Dent.
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Post by fitz on May 26, 2018 21:11:43 GMT -6
So let me get this straight...you ARE saying that you ARE Elijah. Well, that is very interesting.
And you chose to reveal your arrival on Unsealed? Why not CNN?
Ok, well, who am I? (Not Elijah to be sure), but I'll just say it...I don't believe you, Dent. Sorry.
Give me some compelling proof.
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 21:33:57 GMT -6
Actually Fitz,
I've been quite clear as to who I AM. My name is Den Tanner.
I've not said that I or anybody else is Elijah, what I've said is that if Elijah is to come before Messiah, then I would fit the criteria (date wise).
I've also pointed to Jesus saying that "Elijah must come before Messiah" which are not my words but those of God. Argue with Him please on that particular point.
In point of fact Elijah is a Spirit of a person, not a person. There's no record of Elijah's background in Kings and his "death" was as strange as that of Enoch prior to Noah. He was "taken up" in a chariot of fire. So he had no history and no future, just an argument which lasted 7 years with King Ahab and Queen Jezebel (and all the Kings horses and all the Kings men). Plus a load of Vicars employed by both King and Queen.
A question I would place in front of your helpful comment would be if we are near to the coming of Messiah and if Elijah must come first, then what are you doing to locate either? Or are you simply waiting on Paul's advice that we'll see Him clearly when he arrives. Which will be when it's too late! Oil in lamps and all that! Thief in the night, etc. And who is going to deal with the "Powers that be" in terms of the rulers of this present age.
Point 2
All previous Elohim who received either a name or a name change from God did so on their 60th birthday. This was the case with
ADAM
ISRAEL
DAVID
JESUS would have also become King Jesus at 60 had he not been murdered by Priests. On Father's orders I would add.
On my 60th birthday the sign of Revelations 12 appeared in the Heavens. That was 23 September 2017 (my date of birth was 26 September 1957 because I was 3 days overdue - my assumption).
This one's a small step. Another pause.
Dent
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Post by dent on May 27, 2018 5:03:01 GMT -6
To continue, The sign on 23 September 2017 represented the Conception of "The Woman" who is the Constellation Virgo, who represents Israel (or the Church) who would bear a child 9 months later. Placing the birth on 23 June 2018. This I need not detail because it was dealt with very recently here: unsealed.boards.net/thread/1312/genesis-18-connection-revelation-signThe question is who or what is to be born on that day? Under Abraham (not Moses IIRC) every male child is circumcised on the 8th day after birth (which I believe includes the day of the birth). Therefore the child will be circumcised on 30 June 2018. At that point HE will be invincible and able to defeat the Dragon who is awaiting his arrival. If not it will be 1 July and I've said I've reason to believe the child will be 3 days late and arrive 26 june (probably after dark which means 27 June) in which case he will be circumcised 4 July (or 5 July) 2018. The date 4 July is INDEPENDENCE DAY which is a commemoration of the birth of the FORTH BEAST (of Daniel and Revelation). That beast was created at some time in 1775, but was DECLARED IN WRITING on 4 July 1776. Which was (or shall be 244.5 years back from Christ Mass Day 2019. Which is 6 months short of 245 years which is "Half a Time" back from 2020 (or to be more precise, back from Christ Mass Day 2019). This is step 3. Thanks to Dave for making my presentation simpler. Again I'll pause for feedback before taking another small step. Dent |
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Post by yardstick on May 27, 2018 18:41:25 GMT -6
The above are Jesus words. Please provide the relevant book, chapter and verse for the title quote.
Messiah is due 2 days (which is 1960 years = 4 x 7 x 70 years) from Jesus birth/conception at Christmas year 0ad (by definition +/- error in our dating incl year zero or two year zeros if his real birthday was prior to 0bc). Upon what authority-basis do you determine the numbers you are using above? Please cite your source(s). Using Stellarium, it is possible to show that the birth of Christ was 2 BC, rather than 0 AD (You know there is no 0 "AD", right? The time-line goes from 1BC to 1AD, where 'Year 0' is presumably the birth year of our Lord).According to John 20 he rose before dawn while it was still dark on the second day. So if we look at John 20, wherein Mary Magdalene shows up at the tomb at presumably sunrise (which is the start of the day half of a Jewish day) on the first day of the week - sundown Saturday being the end of Sabbath - and due to the prophecy referred to by Jesus himself as "the sign of Jonah" (Mt 16:4, 12:39, Lk 11:29-30) Jesus must have been deceased since 3 days prior (3 days in the bowels of the earth) which counting backwards is Saturday am, Friday am, Thursday am (remembering that Thursday starts Wednesday night at sundown). This puts his crucifixion and death in the afternoon on Wednesday afternoon. He had to have died before sundown (6pm for the sake of argument) Wednesday - 3 'days' prior to his resurrection.
In addition, the Biblical record indicates that the Pharisees asked that the body be taken down before the Sabbath (which would have normally started on Friday and sundown), but because (according to John 19:31) Thursday was a "special sabbath" in addition to the regular sabbath, the body had to have been removed from the cross prior to sundown on Wednesday afternoon, prepared in the manner described scripturally; and placed in the tomb!Meaning before 1960 using Biblical "day" counting. In the Gospels we are warned it shall be "before midnight" which I believe means "just before he's expected (ie before 1960). We need to be cautious when applying 'biblical day counts' to everything; lest we arrive at a gross mis-interpretation and mis-application of scripture. You will need to substantiate this claim.But Elijah must come before Messiah and do what's recorded in 1 Kings 17 onwards. One could argue that Elijah did come before Messiah; and did what was recorded in 1 Kg 17, because that is when he did it - during the reign of the kings described in that time period. You need an additional 1-2 'witnesses' to 'establish' your statement.My first observation of myself is that I was conceived Christ Mass 1956 and born Atonement Day 1957. If I be Elijah then it means that Messiah will have been born some time after me but not more than 3 years and 3 months after me. Can you please cite the relevant scripture (book, chapter, verse) that says the Christ will be born again as a baby, after having been taken up to heaven in bodily form 40 days after his resurrection (Mk 16:19, Lk 24:58, Ac 1:1)So, my first "claim" is that I fit the bill in terms of birth date in respect to actual year and Christ Mass Day and Atonement Day. Three proofs or coincidences. Coincidences - unless you can quote the relevant portions of scripture, and/or provide some other proof that the Elijah of the scriptures should be born yet again as a child, rather than returned in the bodily form he was taken up in. I am certain there are many on the boards who would be very interested in such information.
BTW, want to take a guess as to what all these men (there are a couple others) have in common?
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan b. 26 February 1954
Donald J Trump b. June 14, 1946
Benjamin Netanyahu b. 21 October 1949
Vladimir Putin b. 7 October 1952
Ali Hosseini Khamenei b. 17 July 1939
Justin Pierre James Trudeau b. December 25, 1971
Emmanuel Jean-Michel Frédéric Macron b. 21 December 1977
Édouard Charles Philippe b. 28 November 1970
Paolo Gentiloni Silveri b. 22 November 1954
Donald Franciszek Tusk b. 22 April 1957
Jean-Claude Juncker b. 9 December 1954
They are all men who have been considered to be candidates for the (as yet unrevealed) Anti-Christ. Guess which ones have birthdays that fall within +/- ~3.5 years of yours?That's step 1. I'll give a chance for comment, rebuke or whatever before moving to step 2. Dent. |
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Post by yardstick on May 27, 2018 19:02:25 GMT -6
Actually Fitz, I've been quite clear as to who I AM. My name is Den Tanner. I've not said that I or anybody else is Elijah, what I've said is that if Elijah is to come before Messiah, then I would fit the criteria (date wise). This is a true statement. However, it is also true, that while you have not said such a thing explicitly, your statements have either implied it or inferred it.I've also pointed to Jesus saying that "Elijah must come before Messiah" which are not my words but those of God. Argue with Him please on that particular point. Please cite the relevant scripture for the quoted statement. Thank you.In point of fact Elijah is a Spirit of a person, not a person. There's no record of Elijah's background in Kings and his "death" was as strange as that of Enoch prior to Noah. He was "taken up" in a chariot of fire. So he had no history and no future, just an argument which lasted 7 years with King Ahab and Queen Jezebel (and all the Kings horses and all the Kings men). Plus a load of Vicars employed by both King and Queen. This is okay to speculate, but be prepared to back up your assertions with viable sources or sound logic. Also, please provide the specifics as to who these alleged vicars were.A question I would place in front of your helpful comment would be if we are near to the coming of Messiah and if Elijah must come first, then what are you doing to locate either? Or are you simply waiting on Paul's advice that we'll see Him clearly when he arrives. Which will be when it's too late! Oil in lamps and all that! Thief in the night, etc. And who is going to deal with the "Powers that be" in terms of the rulers of this present age. To answer your question: Where in the scripture is there a mandate to locate either? Too late for whom? Believers? I think most will agree that God will deal with the rulers of this present age. Please clarify your statements.Point 2 All previous Elohim who received either a name or a name change from God did so on their 60th birthday. This was the case with ADAM ABRAHAM ISRAEL DAVID JESUS would have also become King Jesus at 60 had he not been murdered by Priests. On Father's orders I would add. Presumably you intended to use the term elohim above with a lower case e rather than an upper case E, as there is but one Elohim. The rest are all either false or in submission to the Elohim with the big E.On my 60th birthday the sign of Revelations 12 appeared in the Heavens. That was 23 September 2017 (my date of birth was 26 September 1957 because I was 3 days overdue - my assumption). Someone has witnessed God renaming the people in the above list, as it is clearly documented in the scriptures. If you are implying that you were renamed thusly; please refer us to the people who heard God make such a statement (your witnesses), and what he renamed you to. Also I would point out that there were quite a number of babies born on 9/23/17.
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Post by yardstick on May 27, 2018 19:29:55 GMT -6
To continue, The sign on 23 September 2017 represented the Conception of "The Woman" who is the Constellation Virgo, who represents Israel (or the Church) who would bear a child 9 months later. Placing the birth on 23 June 2018. This I need not detail because it was dealt with very recently here: unsealed.boards.net/thread/1312/genesis-18-connection-revelation-signThe question is who or what is to be born on that day? Well, no, on 9/23/17, it is believed the stars in the heavens represented the birth of the man-child per Rev 12:1-2. This is well-accepted in the membership of the christian community who are watching per Luke 21; but perhaps you mis-spoke? Some believe the astronomical 'conception' occurred back in December 2016 (see the conception comet posts on the boards). If this is the case, then the birth would have occurred celestially on or about autumn 2017, as has been vigorously discussed here. Please take some time to peruse the posts. You may find them enlightening.Under Abraham (not Moses IIRC) every male child is circumcised on the 8th day after birth (which I believe includes the day of the birth). Therefore the child will be circumcised on 30 June 2018. Abraham circumcised Isaac per Genesis 21:3, in accordance with the command that God gave him. Abraham 's belief was credited to him as righteousness (Ja 2:23) apart from the law - because the law had not been given yet. However, the giving of the law to Moses, required circumcision of every Israelite male child. I would also point out that Moses circumcised his son before the giving of the law, cuz his pagan wife (Zipporah) got cheesed off about it (Ex 4:25). Can you find a single scripture where the Israelites were circumcised prior to the giving of the law? I am pretty sure there aren't any. That's 400 years of no circumcision, yet the Israelites were still God's people. They just hadn't 'signed on the dotted line' so to speak, yet.At that point HE will be invincible and able to defeat the Dragon who is awaiting his arrival. If not it will be 1 July and I've said I've reason to believe the child will be 3 days late and arrive 26 june (probably after dark which means 27 June) in which case he will be circumcised 4 July (or 5 July) 2018. Jesus Christ is already invincible, and already capable of defeating the Dragon. He will do so at the appointed time (2nd coming) per Rev 19:15 and others. We are curious where you derived the dates you have stated above. Please explain where you got them from. The date 4 July is INDEPENDENCE DAY which is a commemoration of the birth of the FORTH BEAST (of Daniel and Revelation). That beast was created at some time in 1775, but was DECLARED IN WRITING on 4 July 1776. Which was (or shall be 244.5 years back from Christ Mass Day 2019. This is interesting conjecture, and many believe that the United States is prophetically one of the beasts of Daniel or Revelation, or otherwise involved in eschatological events. Please explain in greater detail how you drew these conclusions.Which is 6 months short of 245 years which is "Half a Time" back from 2020 (or to be more precise, back from Christ Mass Day 2019). This is step 3. Thanks to Dave for making my presentation simpler. Again I'll pause for feedback before taking another small step. A timeline might be more effective in explaining the dates you have expressed as significant.Dent |
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Post by yardstick on May 27, 2018 19:33:33 GMT -6
dentIt is certainly possible that many of the statements you are making should be taken metaphorically or symbolically. There's a lot of people on the boards who are quite literal-minded. You may wish to consider clarifying that you are talking in a metaphorical or symbolic sense, with respect to your statements and calculations, lest it be interpreted the wrong way. Similarly, if you are making a literal statement, its okay to point that out.
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Post by stormyknight on May 29, 2018 13:15:06 GMT -6
“See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.” Mal. 4:5-6 NIV
dent, if I may... it is my understanding that whoever this is that comes in the Spirit of Elijah, while the scriptures don't say exactly when, so could be anytime, will come before, or "lip̄·nê", 'before or in sight of', the great and dreadful Day of the Lord. But he has a specific commission, to "turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents". Definitely a marker that will set this 'Elijah' apart from prominent public figures in the world today. Meaning; he will have to have a pretty powerful message in this day and age to get the young generations on the earth today to turn back their hearts to their parents and vice versa.
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 5:57:28 GMT -6
The above are Jesus words. Please provide the relevant book, chapter and verse for the title quote.
The reference is to Malichi in particular. The following is my paraphrase of the whole book with a couple of verses, which support my 'Title' statement above, highlighted:- 1v2 “I've loved Jacob; 3 but hated Esau (twin boys). 6 A son honours father. If I AM Father, where's My honour? My respect?’ O priests who despise My name. 8 Presenting the blind, lame and sick for sacrifice, is it not evil? says the LORD of hosts. 2v1 "This commandment's for priests. 2 If you don't listen, I'll curse you for not taking to heart. 3 I AM going to rebuke your offspring, spread shit on their faces, and you'll be taken away. 4 You'll know I've commanded that My covenant may continue with Levi. 5 Which was life, peace, and reverence. 6 Truth was in his mouth. Lies were not; he walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and turned many back from iniquity. 7 Lips of a priest should provide knowledgeable instruction; for he's the messenger of the LORD. 8 “You Levites have turned aside and caused many to stumble by false instruction; corrupting the covenant of Levi. 9 So I've made you despised and abased, as you're not keeping My ways but show partiality. 10 Don't we all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do you deal treacherously against your brother (EXCOMMUNICATING him) so as to profane the covenant? 11 Judah (Jacob) have dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel (Esau, Christianity). Judah's profaned the sanctuary of the LORD which He loves and has married the daughter of a foreign god. 12 The man who does this, may the LORD cut off from the tents of Jacob. 13 "God no longer regards your offering or accepts favourably. 14 Because the LORD has been the wife of your youth, against whom you've dealt treacherously. 15 None of you has a remnant of the Spirit; and whilst seeking converts? Take heed to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against (God) the wife of your youth . 16 “For I hate divorce and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the LORD of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, and don't deal treacherously.” 17 You've wearied the LORD saying, “Who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD” or, “Where's the God of justice? 3v1 I AM going to send Elijah to clear the way, whom you seek, he'll suddenly come to His temple. 2 But who can endure the day of His coming and stand when He appears? He's like a refiner’s fire. 3 He'll sit as purifier of the sons of Levi, so they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness. 4 Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in days of old. 5 Judgment will be swift against the sorcerers, adulterers, those who swear falsely, those who oppress the weak, and those who not fear Me. 6 For I, the LORD, do not change. 7 From the days of your fathers you've disobeyed My statutes. Return to Me, and I'll return to you,” says the LORD of hosts. 8 “Will a man rob God? 9 You're cursed for robbing Me. 10 Test Me: if I'll not pour out blessing. 11 Then I'll rebuke for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your ground. 12 All the nations will call you blessed; a delightful land,” says the LORD of hosts. 13 “Your words have been arrogant, 14 ‘It's vain to serve God; and what profit? 15 So we call the arrogant blessed'. Not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.” 16 God fearers spoke to one another, and the LORD heard. 17 “They'll be Mine, on the day that I prepare. I'll spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. 18 So you'll again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not." 4v1 Day's coming when Arrogant evildoers will be Judged and left desolate. 2 Those who fear God's name will be happy, 3 treading down the [above] wicked on Judgement Day. 4 Remember the law of Moses, which God commanded for all Israel. 5 God is sending Elijah 6 to restore the hearts of the fathers to children, so God will not have to curse the land. It seems crystal clear to me that Malichi (means: 'The Messanger') who came after the Elijah of Kings, was referring to a future 'incarnation' of Elijah. There are NT references to "Elijah must come first" as well. Most interesting and telling is the reference in Mark, which holds a very deep and troubling message. It least for me, hopefully for those who can see what I saw in Mark's words as well. Dent |
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 7:35:23 GMT -6
Messiah is due 2 days (which is 1960 years = 4 x 7 x 70 years) from Jesus birth/conception at Christmas year 0ad (by definition +/- error in our dating incl year zero or two year zeros if his real birthday was prior to 0bc). Upon what authority-basis do you determine the numbers you are using above? Please cite your source(s). Using Stellarium, it is possible to show that the birth of Christ was 2 BC, rather than 0 AD (You know there is no 0 "AD", right? The time-line goes from 1BC to 1AD, where 'Year 0' is presumably the birth year of our Lord).I base my time calculation on the Hebrew base 7, as in 7 days in a week, and 7 x 7 years in a Jubilee. 10 Jubilees in an "Evening" or a "Morning". As Daniel's exposition of end times (before the Beast introduced decimal counting) expressed in the last 490 years which I say started in 1530 when Henry of England challenged the Pope of Rome in the matter of who was right in the matter of Divorce (I've referred to Malichi already). The result was that Henry Divorced himself from God and became a then new Beast. Given that I accept what you say regarding Stellarium, then my birth date (and all other Julian (Jew LIE an) dates) should really be increased by two years to truly reflect the "AD" associated with Julian dates.. In which case I was born 26 September (10th day of Hebrew New Year) in 1959 which is 354 days ish prior to "2 days" that I referenced. Then, on (or near) my 60th birthday, on 23 September 2017 there appeared a great sign in the Heavens. Dent Den |
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