Rapture vs Second Coming

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Rapture

1 Thes 4:13-18 13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

vs Second Coming

Zech 14:4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south. (That will be a sight to see!)

Rev 19:11-21 11Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Here is a chart fitz posted on the other thread. It has the verses linked which would be easier to study. Thanks, fitz!

wordexplain.com/lastrapturesecondcoming.html

Before Luke 17:30
Christ tells us that the 2 in the field, 1 taken and 1 left happens just like the days of Noah and Lot.

He says life was normal, then Noah and Lot were led away to safety and then destruction comes.
In verse 30 he answers when the safety happen. Our harpazo before the destruction. He says it happens in the day the son of man is revealed. When is he revealed? We find it in Matthew 24:30
When he is revealed all the tribes will mourn. Immediately after the tribulation.

I liked this quote also:

When the Lord described His coming in Luke 17:26-29, He said that it would be both like the days of Noah (some will be preserved through the accompanying judgments) and the days of Lot (some will be taken away before them). And what about the promise He made to the Church in Philadelphia that he would keep us out of the “hour” of trial coming on the whole world. (Rev. 3:10) (Jack Kelley)

I ask, what about Rev 14?  It is an overview of three "harvest"

Firstfruits, Wheat and then Grapes.  To me these are 3 distinct events that are part of the Kingdom of God taking over the rest of the kingdoms that have been reigning on earth and is the essence of the Revealing of Christ.  I also ask, the marriage Supper happens after the fall of mystery Babylon, the Harlot.  


1After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,

“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God;
2BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER.”
3And a second time they said, “Hallelujah! HER SMOKE RISES UP FOREVER AND EVER.”
4And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!”
5And a voice came from the throne, saying,

“Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.”
6Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying,

“Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns.
7“Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” 8It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

9Then he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

The bride I believe is ALL that have come to faith after the fall of babylon/destruction of fleshly desires/disobedience toward God.  The Last Supper in the upper room before the crucifixion is the foreshadow of His Marriage Supper because it is both bread and WINE..body and blood...the winepress is how the wine is made for this supper. 

So this is not disagreeing with the placement of the rapture, but rather seeing that there is so much more to what is a rapture than just going to a prepared room.

holy what does your wife say about Paul's intro to his letters where he describes "saints' ?

Romans 1 ..Jesus Christ our Lord, 5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; 7 to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

and 1Cor 1..To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

I think I only answered half your concern.  It seems the Lord is the one who knows His saints, as He is the one that called them (not a name per se, but a person whom He Calls).  The angels to me are those hosts whom minister for Him. I am not sure angels are "human" or made in the image of God, like man is..  We know angels can take on the appearance of man (I have my own testimony for this). Here is scripture:

Heb 13: Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it.