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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 8:07:19 GMT -6
I know there are still some liberal Christians out there who love Jesus, but in the last year or two it seems like whatever lingering attachment to reality my liberal friends had has completely disappeared. This is difficult for me to understand. It used to be killing babies and socialism, but they still wanted some semblance of order. Now they're just straight up against every good and sensible thing imaginable...
Against free speech on college campuses
Against any border security whatsoever
For killing babies at any point in pregnancy
For killing children and adults who want to die for any reason
Against fighting evil regimes like Iran and North Korea
Against any objective definition of anything including marriage, gender, behavior and culture
Against religious freedom for peaceful religions like Christianity and Judaism and for religious freedom for killer cults like Islam
Against the rule of law if it interferes at all with globalism
I just don't get it. I guess its now a completely spiritual matter.
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Post by whatif on May 5, 2017 10:22:10 GMT -6
I agree, all4himtim! I've noticed the same, and I believe this is the rise of what the Bible calls lawlessness. There is a major theme in all of it--the forsaking of order for chaos. I believe the Enemy is fighting hard against the order God established at creation. Instead of male and female, we see the rise of transgenderism. Instead of marriage between one man and one woman, we see the rise of homosexuality as well as so-called marriages to things such as robots, animals, trees, etc.--not to mention marriages between three or more people together. Instead of a mother and father to have children, we see the rise of 3-donor pregnancies and adoptions of children by same-sex couples. Instead of protection for all human life, we see the horrendous rise of abortion and euthanasia. Instead of truth, we see the rise of deception. Instead of humanity made in God's image, we see the rise of trans-humanism. Instead of the authority of a nation to enforce its laws for the protection of citizens and the keeping of order, we see the nations' leaders--whether presidents or court judges or legislators or local officials--refuse to enforce certain common-sense laws of order. This is chaos. I can't imagine what the world will be like when the Restrainer is gone at the start of the tribulation period.
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Post by watchmanjim on May 5, 2017 15:52:03 GMT -6
It's called------- Apostasy.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 7:47:10 GMT -6
Delusion
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]a wandering, a straying about
one led astray from the right way, roams hither and thither
metaph.
mental straying
error, wrong opinion relative to morals or religion
error which shows itself in action, a wrong mode of acting
error, that which leads into error, deceit or fraud
2 Thessalonians 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The time has arrived....
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 10:34:54 GMT -6
It is a difficult thing when we have thought people were Christians and we come to The place of decision..... are they in delusion and unrighteous or are they people who believe in Christ and are apostasizing. I have struggled with that myself over a parent. I had thought he was a Christian, for he had said prayers over meals and taking us to church had a Bible beside his bed, and had served on the church board. But as I became saved and was given the Holy Spirit, wisdom and understanding came more and more with time. I started noticing that the prayers said at meals, we're only for the safety of people driving and asking our food to be blessed to the nurishment of our bodies, they were always requests, never just worship or praise. We went to church and it was all about being seen it seemed. Looking back, I see it had much to do with my father's business and the importance of us looking like we were doing the right thing on Sundays. We had to be dressed just right, we had to sit perfectly still and I never remember loving this shared between the members of the church. There was a Bible beside the bed, but I never saw him read it nor did he ever refer to it. He served on the church board but it was on money matters. All those years I would've thought our family was Christian. But now I remember vividly asking my dad one time why Jesus. And I remember that he told me that man had to believe in something or he would go crazy and he had chosen Christianity. Doesn't that sum it up for so many? They know that there is something out there and they have chosen the one that seems the most acceptable by the people around them and what they think they should do or is expected of them because of the traditions before them. But now I know it is not because they themselves have believed it with all their being. My father was not a follower of Jesus Christ, but he knew that there might be something 'to being' a Christian that would be good for him. He was like the parable of the seed that fell on the ground and did not get watered and had no depth and when troubles came it withered. He became a mason and I have studied much and although they might have a Bible on their altar, they fail to recognize that it is a Koran in an Islamic masonic Temple. In different areas, the most commonly accepted belief is in their Masonic Temple. I've come to realize these people(liberal, religious,secular etc) have not accepted Jesus Christ! 'These' have not 'apostasized', for they never had 'real true faith'....they just have some of the 'seeds of truth' but they have fallen according to the parable of the soils into one of the categories. Again, I have shed many tears, struggled to understand, and have prayed for true salvation for people that have not The seed of truth buried in their hearts and have been led away in fact. One day as I was very angry about the situation, but not with God the song 'even if' by Mercy me came on for the first time and it could not have been more timely for I felt it was God's response to me to the situation. My tears of sorrow turned to tears of joy because I knew he could and he would - if it was in his will. He let me know to let go and let it rest with him because he knew more than I did and he freed me from the pain. But it also developed in me a great compassion for those who are in spiritual bondage to the lies of Satan.
There is apostasy because the Bible tells us. But I'm not sure these types of people fit in to 'apostasy'. Apostasy seems more like a pastor who has succumbed to the world.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 12:58:39 GMT -6
Now that I went to look.....because 'I' always thought it was there, where is the word 'apostasy' in the Bible? Does anybody know?
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Post by whatif on May 6, 2017 14:00:24 GMT -6
Hi, Truthseeker! I just did a search for the word on BibleHub.net, and I found the following verses that use the word "apostasy":
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Hosea 14:4
Jeremiah 8:5
Jeremiah 2:19
Acts 21:21
Hosea 5:2
Hebrews 6:6
Isaiah 1:5
Deuteronomy 19:16
Jeremiah 28:16
Isaiah 31:6
Isaiah 59:13
Jeremiah 29:32
Deuteronomy 13:5
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 19:30:04 GMT -6
whatif, What version are you using? or are you using numerical equivalences? I ask because I have a king James and mine doesn't say that word anywhere(?). So how did you come up with those verses, for I see where the thought process is referred to though... BTW/ thanks for doing that homework! You're a very helpful person and I will now be doing my homework on those verses!  |
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Post by whatif on May 6, 2017 20:14:09 GMT -6
Hi, truthseeker! It looks like it is used in a variety of translations. Here is a link to the BibleHub.net webpage for the search term "apostasy." What is really nice is that if you click on the blue-highlighted verse that you want to see, it brings up a page with a good number of Bible translations for that particular verse. It's really helpful when you want to see how the translations compare and contrast. Source: BibleHub.net. biblehub.net/search.php?q=apostasy |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 18:16:11 GMT -6
I think the 2 Thess 2:3 verse is talking about the rapture but 2 Thess 2:11 is talking about the delusion. The only sense I can make of all this craziness is a spiritual and mental condition. People have gone of the deep end these days and to me at least seem to make no sense whatsoever.
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Post by rt on May 10, 2017 17:36:55 GMT -6
yes there certainly does seem to be a spiritual element of darkness working overtime in the minds of the children of disobedience these days
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