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Post by witness1 on Feb 19, 2018 8:45:26 GMT -6
Thinking about the idea that "heads" are countries and "horns" are individuals. The end times model usually has the antichrist receiving a head wound and then coming back to life like Messiah. But if we follow the metaphor of "heads" being countries, it follows that it is actually a country that receives the wound:
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. 2And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” Rev 13:1-4
Speculating that the US will be splintered by civil war soon (an idea from another member here) and this will be the mortal wound in the head of Babylon, and then the man of lawlessness (combined with the rapture) will heal the wound.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Feb 19, 2018 10:52:22 GMT -6
Here is a perspective and a grouping of the verses that talk about this 'beasts', and in the beginning here we see the summary as the STONE (Christ's, God's Kingdom, will crush them all)
Dan 2:31 "You, O king, were looking and behold, there was a single great statue; that statue, which was large and of extraordinary splendor, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was awesome. Dan 2:32 "The head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, Dan 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. Dan 2:34 "You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. Dan 2:35 "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
And then we see the interpretations:
Dan 2:36 "This was the dream; now we will tell its interpretation before the king. Dan 2:37 "You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength and the glory; Dan 2:38 and wherever the sons of men dwell, or the beasts of the field, or the birds of the sky, He has given them into your hand and has caused you to rule over them all. You are the head of gold. Dan 2:39 "After you there will arise another kingdom inferior to you, then another third kingdom of bronze, which will rule over all the earth. Dan 2:40 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so, like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. Dan 2:41 "In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay. Dan 2:42 "As the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. Dan 2:43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery. Dan 2:44 "In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. Dan 2:45 "Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy."
Daniel 7, Revelation 13, Revelation 17, and Hosea 13
Dan 7:3 "And four great beasts were coming up from the sea, different from one another. Dan 7:4 "The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it. Dan 7:5 "And behold, another beast, a second one, resembling a bear. And it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and thus they said to it, 'Arise, devour much meat!' Dan 7:6 "After this I kept looking, and behold, another one, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird; the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it. Dan 7:7 "After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
Hos 13:7 So I will be like a lion to them; Like a leopard I will lie in wait by the wayside. Hos 13:8 I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, And I will tear open their chests; There I will also devour them like a lioness, As a wild beast would tear them. Hos 13:9 It is your destruction, O Israel, That you are against Me, against your help. Hos 13:10 Where now is your king That he may save you in all your cities, And your judges of whom you requested, "Give me a king and princes"?
Rev 13:1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. Rev 17:11 "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction. Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. My thoughts are if you think about it, this world is full of all kinds of "rule" but certainly Christ is not reigning yet and the world has not experienced the Wrath yet that will make way for this Kingdom of our Lord. We have many players in Revelation, but looking at the evidences in this thread about the catholic church, various false 'christian' organizations (cults), what we've seen with the taking by force with islamic states, the athiestic movements, the general subduing of basic Christian faith values...This "mystery babylon" or "unknown" ruling entity that has been infiltrated heavily these past decades...the above comment about Mystery Babylon makes sense to me.
These scriptures are about the Stone Kingdom (of our Lord) Dan 7:18 'But the saints of the Highest One will receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, for all ages to come.' Dan 7:27 'Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.'
Rev 1:6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever."
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
And here are Peter's words talking about who Christ in this metaphorical way of the STONE and who & what Jesus is to those who follow Him (the capital words are from the OT): 1Pe 2:4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 1Pe 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1Pe 2:6 For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 1Pe 2:7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone," 1Pe 2:8 and, "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed. 1Pe 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 1Pe 2:10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 11:06:24 GMT -6
I firmly believe the U.S. is headed for a splintering. Our country is divided politically almost right down the middle at 50/50 on most issues. Both sides unwilling to compromise or reach across the aisle on anything of substance.
This isn't just with Washington politicians either. It's the general population as well. A true hatred and animosity is being being cultivated in our society at an alarming rate. Nefarious sources fuel the hatred and strive to keep us at odds with the attempt to divide and conquer us from within. And this is all just referring to our political system looking at it with just in the natural and not through spiritual eyes.
And to compound the matter, if you also believe like I do that satanic occultism has infiltrated all levels of govt then you can imagine the fight satan will put up to keep that power in place. He won't give it up easily, nor will earthly players that he uses to carry out the satanic agenda.
So with saying all that, just imagine that Trump and his administration actually has hard evidence against some of the well known political players. Would the general public believe it and accept it? There is so much hatred for Trump that I believe most people will view it as racist or that Trump is simply trying to become a dictator etc. Not to mention this is not even taking into account folks like Soros who pay to keep the country divided through groups like Black lives matter, Antifa, etc.
America is very much a powder keg ready to explode. Impending arrests and political shakeup within all elected offices as well as 3 letter agencies is on the horizon. It's all recipe for throwing America into the end times New World Order.
Sorry for the rant. And I sincerely hope I am wrong on all this. I love my country and so thankful for God allowing me to live here. I just hate to see the direction we have been led down.
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Post by sog on Feb 19, 2018 11:35:42 GMT -6
Ok, more thoughts on these medallions given and how they relate to the 4 heads (Daniel) / 7 heads (Revelation) from the article I posted above earlier. Some of this is probably a stretch, especially the Obama medallion, but I thought I’d give it a shot. I put the names of the leaders that received the medallions next to the head I think they represent. Let me know what you think. These are the 4 Heads of Daniel 7's Grecian beast, and are also represented by the 4 Horns of Daniel 8. These kingdoms, using their geographic and political modern place-names, were, 1. Greece (Abbas) 2. Turkey (Erdogan) 3. Syria (Putin) 4. Egypt (Obama) Therefore, the 7 Heads of the Revelation beast, being essentially a mirror image of the 7 Heads of the Daniel 7 beasts, are to be identified as follows: 1. Babylon- the "lion" = Abbas 2. Persia- the "bear" = Abbas 3. Greece- the "4-Headed leopard" = Abbas 4. Turkey = Erdogan 5. Syria (Assyria) = Putin 6. Egypt = Obama (or possibly yet to be given medallion) 7. Rome = Pope (giver of medallions) Here is my thinking. Since Greece, per the source, is really four heads in one (Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome) and since Palestine isn’t a country and never has been, it’s just a region of the Holy Land that has been conquered by many armies throughout history, including those four, I assigned it to Abbas. This is from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_PalestineThe Palestine region or parts of it have been controlled by numerous different peoples and regional powers, including the … Ancient Egyptians, Israelites,… Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Greeks, Romans,… modern Israelis and Palestinians. Turkey is obvious. Erdogan. Syria or Assyria, as the area was called in more ancient times, included parts of southern Russia between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea. And since Russia today has been arming and is the main ally of Syria, I assigned this to Putin. Egypt is less conclusive unless you grant that we really do not know where Obama was born. Some have said Kenya, some Hawaii. I don’t believe he has ever produced a completely proven birth certificate. Too many discrepancies. Kenya is just outside of what most recognize as the maximum reach of the Egyptian Empire during its peak. Maybe Obama represents the African continent itself. Or maybe Obama represents something else and the Egyptian medallion has yet to be given. Also, if you look at the chronological order of the Revelation 17 fallen empires, Egypt fell first. Obama was the first medallion given. Abbas and Putin seem to be flip-flopped a month apart, so take this with a grain of salt. And Turkey is yet to fall (“1 will come”) and was the last medallion given. Rome is the “1 is” and is the Pope, giver of the medallions. "Five have fallen" 1. Egypt 2. Assyria 3. Babylon 4. Persia 5. Greece So, there you have it. My take on these bronze “belly of the beast”, “Angel of Peace” - NOT, medallions. We'll see if more are given out. My guess is no. Thanks for reading and your input. Feel free to give your take. We are definitely living in interesting times. To God be the Glory.
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Post by sog on Feb 20, 2018 22:10:54 GMT -6
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Post by sog on Feb 20, 2018 22:48:32 GMT -6
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