A revised view of the pretrib rapture

Hi Truthseeker, I see that you have quoted Holy in your post, though I am not certain that he said what you quoted. Are these your thoughts? Perhaps you would like to elaborate on why you reached this conclusion if so?

Glad to see that you have rejoined the conversation

@sam, kjs,

Been away from the forum for a while, glad to see that this discussion was resolved. I do agree however that my view is not too far off from a pre wrath view, kind of. But I still believe the rapture is imminent and happens before the start of the 70th week. The only likeness to the pre wrath model is that I see the rapture happening at the sixth seal.

A possible scenario:


So here’s a scenario that I could see developing out of this current crisis that could start off the fulfillment of end times prophecy:

First of all right now the WHOLE WORLD is on the brink of a complete shutdown. With citizens being told to “shelter” in their homes, and only venture out if necessary. No going to work, unless your job is essential, no restaurants, no gyms, no church, in Spain one woman got arrested for sitting in the sun at a local park, so no going outside…nada…nothing…..the WHOLE WORLD!!!! This is unprecedented in the history of mankind, let that sink in.


I see this whole thing setting a perfect stage for the fulfillment of end time prophecy. You have a world that is fighting a common enemy, the corona virus. You have people distanced from one another in fear and very stressed out. This includes separating the body of Christ from one another. You also have the target group of this virus being the elderly, those who tend to be more conservative, and holding on to their faith in God and the “old way” of doing things, as well as those with underlying health concerns who some (not me) might say are a burden on society.


If this is it, and I am not saying for sure that it is, but if it is, I believe that the rapture will occur at some point which will add even more fear and devastation to the whole situation.


At some point in all of the ensuing chaos, the Antichrist, will arise out of the crisis, with a plan to unite the world, he will come forward as the man with the answer for the ensuing financial crisis that will no doubt follow this plague, with a plan to resurrect the world from the ashes that will require all nations to share with each other and perhaps with some miracle cure for the virus as well. Some excuse will be given for the rapture, he might claim that our alien brothers who have been waiting to assist us removed them because they were not ready to move forward into this new world. Yeah that sounds absurd, but 6 months ago if you would have suggested we would be where we are right now we would have thought that was absurd too.


War may also be on the brink of breaking out, with nations trying to take advantage of the weakness of their enemies, or wanting the resources they lack during this time of crisis. I think the Antichrist may make the claim that we as a planet can choose to avoid Armageddon, and step into the “New Age” by adopting a global attitude of love toward one another, and by sharing resources with each other. I think he will associate what the world is going through with the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. In other words the claim may be made that the prophecies have been fulfilled, or that mankind has the power to choose to dodge the bullet and step into the New World if they unite to follow his plan, which will eventually lead to a worldwide financial system, which we as believers know involves taking the “mark”. A new age of “peace and safety” will ensue with nations uniting in an unprecedented covenant for peace.
Along with him there will be someone who promotes him, biblically we know him as the false prophet and he will perform signs and miracles, maybe claiming that he is one of the “space brothers” I have no idea. But it is my belief that this man will institute some kind of new world faith, bringing all of the various religious groups together with its center in Jerusalem.


One thing I know is that people in stress and fear are much more willing to accept a so called savior. They are much more easily deceived and willing to be led. Even now we are handing over our rights, without any resistance whatsoever; because these are unprecedented circumstances and our lives may depend on it. If some guy came out of the woodwork tomorrow with the ability to heal all the infected and to subdue this enemy, you can bet that everyone on earth would be on board and would be running to stand behind him.


I am not claiming that these events will happen, I am merely laying out a possibility of how prophecy could be fulfilled. If ever there was a time on earth ripe for it to happen, it certainly is now. Of course only time will tell.





Are you ready?

So.... no gatherings over 50 people, many countries in lock down and more looking to follow suit, one could almost make the claim that these things are not taking place as usual right now in the world, everyday life has come to a screeching halt just about everywhere on the planet.



I say this not because I think this is fulfillment, but because I think there may be others who might make that claim before the actual fulfillment happens.



it's  my theory that after the rapture happens, that people will be deceived into believing the end of the 70th week has taken place when it is actually the beginning.

I don't believe that simply because we are in lock down for a few weeks that it is not the like the days of Noah. Too simplistic. With the introduction of killing babies at birth, emasculating young boys for sex change, gay marriage, the rapid increase of racism (nations against nations), we are holding in a powder keg. And the one thing that most of the world wants is the removal of the very people, and president, that they blame for everything. Us and Trump.

truthseeker,rt,kjs,matthew2423,mike,

Haven't posted here in quite some time, it's interesting to look back and I wonder if anyone's perspectives may have changed since all this Covid nonsense began in March?

I still remain cautious about making predictions. I know many thought the rapture might happen on Rosh Hashanna, yet here we are.

Some things I believe are parameters that will accompany the rapture:

(If indeed it occurs at the opening of the 6th seal as I presume)

It will happen at the full moon, which excludes Rosh Hashanna  




It might happen in the spring




There are two harvests of the fig tree, one in late spring (late May/June) and one in early September/October, the early season are figs that grow upon last years growth, while the late season grows on the new growth. So if unripe figs are an indication of timing it could indicate the time period before the spring harvest. Though this passage doesn't necessitate Spring, there another hint in scripture that may indicate it. 

Since we are the body of Christ and we know that Jesus was raised at the waving of the first fruits of the Barley harvest, we could also be associated with that harvest as well. 







If you want to know more about why I think this you can read about it here: board.unsealed.org/thread/283/resurrection-harvest


All this being said it could happen in the fall, there are also unripe figs at that time of year in the second harvest. The parable may not be indicating timing at all, and it could just be that the stars will fall like unripe figs and that is as far as it goes.

As far as the feast of Trumpets goes, I understand there is a current Jewish understanding of all that feast represents and how it has been practiced without the temple. However in scripture it wasn't the "head of the year" :





It was the feast of Ingathering or Tabernacles that occured at the "turn" or end of the year. The Last Trumpet of the year would be sounded at the feast of Tabernacles, which is curiously called the "feast of Ingathering".


Also the ram's horn was sounded on the day of Atonement to consecrate the 50th year AKA a Jubilee. This happened just days before the start of the feast of Tabernacles, signaling that as the new year began people should make their pilgrimage to their property. 



Also we can see a parallel between how the feast of Tabernacles was celebrated and how the multitudes in heaven celebrate:





So though the rapture could be associated with a Spring full moon (Passover?) It Also could be associated with a fall full moon (Tabernacles)


This brings me to the next parameter: 

The rapture will have to occur before the start of the 70th week, which implies a Land Sabbath year. So either just before or during a Sabbath year in Israel. Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks are in terms of land sabbaths, so if the 70th week begins during a Sabbath year, it stands to reason that the rapture would occur around the start or during that time. We have currently entered into a Sabbath year according to today's Hebrew calendar. 


I also believe the seventieth week will begin in late spring because we know that the birds of the air will feast on those who die at Armageddon over the summer months




The grape harvest by the way starts in July/ August. If the seven years ends in late spring it again stands to reason that it starts around the same time.

The gospels also seem to hint that summer is the season of Christ's return: 




Of course this is all speculation on my part, and I in no way would be dogmatic about any of it. Parables need not be extrapolated beyond their initial intent, but scripture does seem to give us clues, which may or may not be definitive. 

God bless