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Post by holy on Dec 23, 2018 14:28:25 GMT -6
I see where Rt posted some timelines she made but I don’t see where she has posted her commentary on Revelation. Has she posted it somewhere? If so, I would love to read it. I will even purchase it if on Kindle.
By the way, I did read Lowe’s book because I was looking for other people who also think the four horsemen have already ridden, so I was turned on to him. His book was great. Yes, he and Rt have similar thoughts on the timing of the seals. But I still most definitely want to read rt’s entire commentary on Revelation because I love the way she writes, explains, and mostly her Godly spirit.
Rt......where are you? Holy to Rt, come in please.
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Post by rt on Dec 23, 2018 15:59:55 GMT -6
Hi there holy. Just noticed your posts. I am pretty busy with the holidays right now, but will reply when I have time. Likely after the 1st of the year. Thanks for your interest. |
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Post by mike on Dec 23, 2018 16:22:21 GMT -6
holy - I was going to tell you RT doesn't post daily, but does check in time to time and there she is! Also Sam may read your message but as a "guest" I am not certain he post any longer, not sure. One other item for thought in your analysis is the Great Sign of Rev 12. Most or at least many here believe that Sept 23, 2017 had great significance but not sure what it signifies yet. IIRC some of Sam's thoughts had to do with that. Please keep that in mind dwhen reading through some of the older dialogues
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Post by boraddict on Dec 23, 2018 21:23:18 GMT -6
Rt, You said.....”Again I would say that this "about" a half hour of silence is "about" the first half of the 70th week. When the man of Lawlessness, AKA, the Antichrist and the false prophet will appear and a deluding influence will be sent by God. Where lying signs and wonders will be performed. The seventh seal is removed when the covenant is entered into as spoken of by Daniel. I believe that during this time of silence that the beast economic system will be set up, that the false prophet will encourage worship of the dragon and the antichrist himself. The 144,000 will be sealed and the two witnesses will proclaim the truth. The test will prove whether those on earth will hear and heed God's truth or take the mark of the beast declaring allegiance to him and to satan, the dragon.” This is definitely fascinating stuff....7years=1hour........3.5 years=1/2 hour Personally, I have stayed away from people shoving the seals and trumpets in the first 3.5 years. I thought this was supposed to be a time of PEACE? The covenant is confirmed, the temple is rebuilt, the sacrifices are being made......so how can all this occur with the opening of the seals and trumpets? Hint.....it can’t! So, it makes more sense to place the seals before the 70th week and the trumpets after midpoint. That way the first 3.5 yrs are a time of peace and safety......just before the Day of the Lord occurs. No, having said all that, I agree.....my word and interpretation is also not a “thus says the Lord” moment. Who am I? I’m just like you, studying, reading, asking God for wisdom, and trying to figure all this out too. Again Rt......THANK YOU..... Hi Holy. If rt is correct in her 7 years = 1 hour and 3.5 years = 1/2 hour conclusion, then the 10 kings (Rev. 17:12) form before the 7 years begin and they reign with the beast for those 7 years. It appears that formation has taken place this past year under the direction of France. Secondly, since the 7 seals precede the period of silence, and that period in your estimation is in the first half of the 7 years, then do you place the formation of the 10 kings before or at Rev. 6:1? |
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Post by holy on Dec 24, 2018 7:43:16 GMT -6
Rt, You said.....”Again I would say that this "about" a half hour of silence is "about" the first half of the 70th week. When the man of Lawlessness, AKA, the Antichrist and the false prophet will appear and a deluding influence will be sent by God. Where lying signs and wonders will be performed. The seventh seal is removed when the covenant is entered into as spoken of by Daniel. I believe that during this time of silence that the beast economic system will be set up, that the false prophet will encourage worship of the dragon and the antichrist himself. The 144,000 will be sealed and the two witnesses will proclaim the truth. The test will prove whether those on earth will hear and heed God's truth or take the mark of the beast declaring allegiance to him and to satan, the dragon.” This is definitely fascinating stuff....7years=1hour........3.5 years=1/2 hour Personally, I have stayed away from people shoving the seals and trumpets in the first 3.5 years. I thought this was supposed to be a time of PEACE? The covenant is confirmed, the temple is rebuilt, the sacrifices are being made......so how can all this occur with the opening of the seals and trumpets? Hint.....it can’t! So, it makes more sense to place the seals before the 70th week and the trumpets after midpoint. That way the first 3.5 yrs are a time of peace and safety......just before the Day of the Lord occurs. No, having said all that, I agree.....my word and interpretation is also not a “thus says the Lord” moment. Who am I? I’m just like you, studying, reading, asking God for wisdom, and trying to figure all this out too. Again Rt......THANK YOU..... Hi Holy. If rt is correct in her 7 years = 1 hour and 3.5 years = 1/2 hour conclusion, then the 10 kings (Rev. 17:12) form before the 7 years begin and they reign with the beast for those 7 years. It appears that formation has taken place this past year under the direction of France. Secondly, since the 7 seals precede the period of silence, and that period in your estimation is in the first half of the 7 years, then do you place the formation of the 10 kings before or at Rev. 6:1? Greetings bor, well, since 6:1 is when Jesus began open8ng the seals and if you assume that happened when he ascended to Heaven (2000 years ago), then the 10 toes formation would have to come much later. I believe the 10 toes are only for a “short time” so to me it makes sense to have them form very late in the game, like around Daniels 70th week. I know the French dude, Macron, is forming or has formed some 10 nati9n alliance but I don’t know enough about that yet. I do know I am watch8ng Macron very closely though because he certa8nly has many of the AC attributes. I hope this helps. |
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Post by rt on Jan 8, 2019 22:47:18 GMT -6
Okay holy Now that the busy holiday season is behind me I can reply to your posts. Regarding the seals- you said this: (Read more: board.unsealed.org/thread/133/revised-view-pretrib-rapture?page=20#ixzz5c5767QNU)I tend to agree with you on this one. An interesting observation about most of the deaths caused by the effects of the horsemen is that as scripture tells us they (Death and Hades) have authority over 1/4 of the earth to kill. If you do a little research you will find that most of the deaths that have and still occur by these means happen roughly in 1/4 of the earth geographically. Primarily Asia and parts of Africa and Europe, and curiously in areas where Christians are in the minority. Will try to reply to your other posts tomorrow as I have time. |
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Post by venge on Jan 9, 2019 13:31:41 GMT -6
RT,
I just finished the thread though I did skip some replies from others to focus on your own thoughts. With that said, please accept my apologies if I missed anything with my questions. I have many questions but will just say few for now.
You had mentioned that you believe the 70th week possibly begins with the 6th seal or around it. If the 70th week begins at the 6th or 7th seal, that would mean seals 1-5 have nothing to do with the AntiChrist right? A question not needed to answer. What I am getting at is if seals 1-5 are not in the 70th week then the AC's terrible time must happen AFTER the 7th seal. How do we come to that conclusion with your analysis when we use Daniel 11+12 as a descriptor. If you think its (Dan 11) past or future, either way it serves as information to let us know what will happen or what did happen that models what will happen.
In Dan 11:31:
The leader to which I suppose is the AC or a version of him sets up the AoD. After it is setup we see Dan 11:33 state then people die.
We then learn in Dan 11:35 that though some die, they are purified and made white.
This same king then commits blasphemy.
AFTER all of this: The AoD set up, the killing of believers that try to make others white, the blasphemy of God...then we see Daniel 12 tell us that all of this happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation but AFTER the AoD is setup.
How do you fit the rise of the AC in the 70th week after the 6th seal when it seems that he would have to do these things before the 1st Trumpet based on the above. And forgive me if how I see this in my mind's eye is not written such that you may see it. I will adapt it later if need be.
Look at Dan9:27 below:
If the proximity to the middle of the week is when the daily and oblation cease (some translations add the AoD setup), how does that align with Dan 11 and 12 when that happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation and that you place this time at the beginning of the week, not the midst of the week.
It also seems problematic that when the beast of the sea rises, there will be 10 horns. There needs to be time for these 10 horns which must place them before the 70th week correct? It is not until another horn appears that he removes 3 and becomes the central figure head of the beast of the sea.
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Post by rt on Jan 9, 2019 15:34:19 GMT -6
before I answer you venge I am going to continue with answering holy 's posts first, since he's been waiting on me to do so for a while. Regarding the tribulation saints and 5th seal martyrs: (Read more: board.unsealed.org/thread/133/revised-view-pretrib-rapture?page=20#ixzz5c9064Uqn)I am not dogmatic about who the 5th seal martyrs are, they are identified as those slain because of the word of God and their testimony which they maintained. Though I lean towards agreement with you. I also believe that even though John only hears from these martyrs, that other "church age souls" reside with them "under the altar, in what we would call paradise. The martyrs want to know when their deaths would be avenged, we see later that they are avenged in Rev 16:5-7 as I pointed out earlier in the thread. The dilemma you seem to have is with the identity of the tribulation saints. You claim that they cannot complete the fifth seal martyrs because they are not part of the church age saints. I guess I would disagree, just because they might technically not be saved during what we call the church age, doesn't mean that they won't complete the number of martyrs- fellow servants and brethren as they are called in Chapter 6. I am not sure if I covered this somewhere on the site, if so forgive me for repeating myself. But could we agree that the church age (those who became part of the church) began when salvation was extended to all nations and peoples and tongues? In other words no longer was Israel and the Law the primary focus, but under the New Covenant through Christ, salvation was extended to the gentiles. In Revelation 10 we have this curious interruption occurring between the 6th and 7th trumpets , which most commentaries gloss over, but IMO it is very important: Before the seventh angel sounds his trumpet, the mystery of God is finished. What is this mystery? Remember what Daniel says is the purpose for the seventy weeks And also what Paul told us about the the re-grafting of Israel: So what then is happening just before the seventh trumpet sounds. There is no longer a delay- Israel is about to be re-grafted back into the olive tree, they will soon fulfill the purpose of the 70 weeks, because the fullness of the gentiles has come in. The events that follow will restore Israel and reconcile them as a nation to God. This is the moment when those gentiles who will be saved during the 70th week will be completed. Does this end the church age? Not necessarily, the church age may in fact come to a close with the rapture, These tribulation martyrs may not be considered "the church" or the "body of Christ". But just the same they belong to Christ and are fellow believers. (see my post here for more on this idea unsealed.boards.net/thread/283/resurrection-harvest). To me it is irrelevant whether these saints are part of the church age or not, we know they meet the criteria, they are victorious over the beast and die as martyrs, beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word (Revelation 20). In Short; we are all grafted into the same tree- salvation in Christ. Whether it happens before the rapture or after, whether as gentiles or Jews whether under the Old covenant or the New, we are all brothers in faith and fellow servants together in Christ. No one comes to the Father but through Christ, who is the way the truth and the life. All believers, past, present and future enter the kingdom of God by Him. They may come to faith in different dispensations, but they are all equally saved by Christ.They may not have the same distinctions (Old covenant faithful/ New covenant faithful aka the Church/ Tribulation saints/ Millennial saints) but they all arrive in the kingdom by passing through the same door- Jesus Christ, so you see we are all fellow servants and brothers in faith whatever "age" we die in. |
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Post by rt on Jan 9, 2019 16:00:16 GMT -6
Okay going to try responding to the rest of your posts here holy (Read more: board.unsealed.org/thread/133/revised-view-pretrib-rapture?page=20#ixzz5c9I1hkCB)Well not sure we "all" agree, but that is what I believe, though I do not believe that the multitude includes the tribulation saints, I see them resurrected later at the end of the 70 weeks (Revelation 20). I think there will be many tribulation saints, though not nearly as great a company as those described in chapter 7. (Read more: board.unsealed.org/thread/133/revised-view-pretrib-rapture?page=20#ixzz5c9J69gng)Yes I still believe this, and I am aware that many disagree with me on this point. I don't see it as a game changer though and yes perhaps it could be seen as you say. ANd thank you for the words of encouragement! (Read more: board.unsealed.org/thread/133/revised-view-pretrib-rapture?page=20#ixzz5c9JryhRt)Yes it does seem a bit much to fit all the events into 3.5 years. Though I do see the trumpets being sounded just before the end of that time. Though their effects on earth will carry over into the second half of the week. The seventh trumpet IMO occurs at or just before the midpoint. One thing I did was study the plagues that came about in Egypt when Pharaoh refused to let Moses and his people go. These plagues happened in a very short period of time, roughly two weeks. So the trumpeters could sound in rapid succession, with their effects being felt on earth in a relatively short amount of time. They may even be the result of one cataclysmic event- each of the first 5 trumpets seem connected to something falling to earth. I do agree that there will be a period of peace though that will comprise most of the first half of the 70 weeks. But near its end the trumpets will sound. Remember John said "about" a half hour had passed. So not quite a full half hour. From one watcher to another- Thank you for taking the time to read this long thread and to offer up your insights and thoughts I appreciate it! |
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Post by rt on Jan 9, 2019 18:04:08 GMT -6
RT, I just finished the thread though I did skip some replies from others to focus on your own thoughts. With that said, please accept my apologies if I missed anything with my questions. I have many questions but will just say few for now. You had mentioned that you believe the 70th week possibly begins with the 6th seal or around it. If the 70th week begins at the 6th or 7th seal, that would mean seals 1-5 have nothing to do with the AntiChrist right? A question not needed to answer. What I am getting at is if seals 1-5 are not in the 70th week then the AC's terrible time must happen AFTER the 7th seal. How do we come to that conclusion with your analysis when we use Daniel 11+12 as a descriptor. If you think its (Dan 11) past or future, either way it serves as information to let us know what will happen or what did happen that models what will happen. In Dan 11:31: The leader to which I suppose is the AC or a version of him sets up the AoD. After it is setup we see Dan 11:33 state then people die. We then learn in Dan 11:35 that though some die, they are purified and made white. This same king then commits blasphemy. AFTER all of this: The AoD set up, the killing of believers that try to make others white, the blasphemy of God...then we see Daniel 12 tell us that all of this happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation but AFTER the AoD is setup. How do you fit the rise of the AC in the 70th week after the 6th seal when it seems that he would have to do these things before the 1st Trumpet based on the above. And forgive me if how I see this in my mind's eye is not written such that you may see it. I will adapt it later if need be. Look at Dan9:27 below: If the proximity to the middle of the week is when the daily and oblation cease (some translations add the AoD setup), how does that align with Dan 11 and 12 when that happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation and that you place this time at the beginning of the week, not the midst of the week. It also seems problematic that when the beast of the sea rises, there will be 10 horns. There needs to be time for these 10 horns which must place them before the 70th week correct? It is not until another horn appears that he removes 3 and becomes the central figure head of the beast of the sea. Actually I think the 70th week starts either coincident with the removal of the 7th seal the "silence" is the first half of the 70th week, The "about a half hour " of this silence is the time that it takes to unroll the scroll after the removal of the 7th seal represents the first half of the 70th week or the first 3 1/2 years of the 70th week, while the fully opened scroll itself represents the second half of the 70th week IMO. I think that may be what is confusing you. The opened scroll is the great tribulation. The seals are removed so that the "great tribulation" can commence. And yes the seals themselves would not have anything to do with the Antichrist, other than paving the way for his public emergence, which would happen while the scroll is being opened, during that first three and a half years of silence in heaven, before the trumpets sound, the AC will first emerge and confirm the covenant with many. Just before the midpoint the trumpets sound with the 7th sounding at or just before the midpoint or when the scroll is fully opened. I don't think there is a contradiction here, maybe just a misunderstanding. I also think the beast from the sea will exist in some form before the rapture happens, and may gain status between the rapture and the removal of the 7th seal, some time may pass in between the removal of these seals, perhaps many months even and the AC will rise up to become the mouthpeice of that coalition just before the removal of the 7th seal. Hope this helps. |
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Post by venge on Jan 10, 2019 6:30:48 GMT -6
RT said,
before the trumpets sound, the AC will first emerge and confirm the covenant with many. Just before the midpoint the trumpets sound with the 7th sounding at or just before the midpoint or when the scroll is fully opened.
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Ok, so you place the beginning of the 70th week at the 7th seal and the mid point of the 70th week at the 7th Trumpet?
If the mid point is the 7th Trumpet, that is late to remove the daily and oblation as having been done before the AoD is setup. Also, if the mid as that far into the Trumpets, how do you understand the 2nd Trumpet. If you take a literal stance, a mountain falling into a sea wouldn’t cause it to turn to blood but it would cause a tsunami and possibly world wide destruction. That isn’t mentioned in scripture.. Yet, scripture confirms mountains thrown into the sea describe great kingdoms being thrown down by God never to rise again. If in fact this is the scriptures intention, could it be Jerusalems fall as a Godless city that is removed? If it is, that changes the mid point back to the 7th seal or 1st Trumpet.
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Post by rt on Jan 10, 2019 8:47:59 GMT -6
RT said, before the trumpets sound, the AC will first emerge and confirm the covenant with many. Just before the midpoint the trumpets sound with the 7th sounding at or just before the midpoint or when the scroll is fully opened. ...... Ok, so you place the beginning of the 70th week at the 7th seal and the mid point of the 70th week at the 7th Trumpet? If the mid point is the 7th Trumpet, that is late to remove the daily and oblation as having been done before the AoD is setup. Also, if the mid as that far into the Trumpets, how do you understand the 2nd Trumpet. If you take a literal stance, a mountain falling into a sea wouldn’t cause it to turn to blood but it would cause a tsunami and possibly world wide destruction. That isn’t mentioned in scripture.. Yet, scripture confirms mountains thrown into the sea describe great kingdoms being thrown down by God never to rise again. If in fact this is the scriptures intention, could it be Jerusalems fall as a Godless city that is removed? If it is, that changes the mid point back to the 7th seal or 1st Trumpet. Hello Venge, hope you are having a good morning. We're getting some snow here. Daniel 9:27 tells us that the one who confirms the covenant puts an end to daily sacrifices in the middle of the week. To me at least, I feel that the abomination of desolation is what actually causes that to happen. I don't see these as separate events I see them as cause and effect. As for the 2nd trumpet- and the mountain, who can say what that is literally speaking of. Is it symbolic for something? Is it an asteroid? The passage seems to indicate that whatever it is,it is "like" a mountain. Whatever it is, it has a physical effect on the seas as do the other trumpet effects, they all physically impact the earth in some way. I wouldn't rule out that these falling "things" could be angels; which though they are spiritual beings also can have physical form; since the fifth trumpet seems to indicate such could be the case: The "star" here is a "him". These angels may be thrown down as a result of the war that takes place in heaven. This war may begin when the trumpets start to sound. Or perhaps sooner? The trumpets were sounded in Israel when they went to war (Numbers 10:9), and we also see in the following passage that there is woe proclaimed to both the earth and the sea because the devil has been thrown down out of heaven, which we see are directly affected by these things being cast down as a result of the trumpet blasts. The first angel that sounded and hail and fire mixed with blood were "thrown" to earth, the second sounded and this thing like a mountain is "thrown" into the sea, the third sounded and a great star named Wormwood "fell" from heaven. The words in quotations, all carry with them the idea of thrusting or casting something out, in the Greek. The word "fell" has with it the idea of condemnation or judgment upon the one cast down. So I think that it is a distinct possibility that what is happening during the sounding of the first four trumpets is that Satan and his angels are being cast down to earth. Will there be some physical manifestation that is witnessed by people on earth? Or is John seeing things from the spiritual perspective only? I would venture a guess and say that there will be something that people on earth will witness falling from the sky that may look like John's description, but what that will actually be in the form of is hard to say. With the dragon cast down, he brings his war with him to the earth. (Trumpets 5-7) So here is a synopsis of how I see things play out 6th seal rapture 7th seal removed- 70th week begins Trumpets ready to sound- war in heaven taking place Trumpets sound- Satan and angels cast down to earth Seventh trumpet- Midpoint of 70th week, AOD - causes sacrifices to cease, woman (Isreal) flees to wilderness, persecution begins- great tribulation starts. Does this make sense? |
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Post by venge on Jan 11, 2019 13:30:20 GMT -6
RT said, before the trumpets sound, the AC will first emerge and confirm the covenant with many. Just before the midpoint the trumpets sound with the 7th sounding at or just before the midpoint or when the scroll is fully opened. ...... Ok, so you place the beginning of the 70th week at the 7th seal and the mid point of the 70th week at the 7th Trumpet? If the mid point is the 7th Trumpet, that is late to remove the daily and oblation as having been done before the AoD is setup. Also, if the mid as that far into the Trumpets, how do you understand the 2nd Trumpet. If you take a literal stance, a mountain falling into a sea wouldn’t cause it to turn to blood but it would cause a tsunami and possibly world wide destruction. That isn’t mentioned in scripture.. Yet, scripture confirms mountains thrown into the sea describe great kingdoms being thrown down by God never to rise again. If in fact this is the scriptures intention, could it be Jerusalems fall as a Godless city that is removed? If it is, that changes the mid point back to the 7th seal or 1st Trumpet. As for the 2nd trumpet- and the mountain, who can say what that is literally speaking of. Is it symbolic for something? Is it an asteroid? The passage seems to indicate that whatever it is,it is "like" a mountain. Whatever it is, it has a physical effect on the seas as do the other trumpet effects, they all physically impact the earth in some way. I wouldn't rule out that these falling "things" could be angels; which though they are spiritual beings also can have physical form; since the fifth trumpet seems to indicate such could be the case: Hello RT, its cold here but no snow yet. Ok, on to what you said. Who said it was an angel? The Koine Greek translates it as male, that is true but is this angelos a man or a spirit being. Angelos applies to both. What else is called a star? Christ as heir and a prince was a Star. The Prince's of the 12 tribes were called Star's. Daniel states we can shine like Stars. And there are other verses to support this as well as the Greek. In regards to the war in heaven and Satan being cast out, do you not remember that Christ said he was cast out when Christ was at the right hand of God? That was almost 2k years ago. Lastly, you stated: No one can literally say YET people make up all kinds of assumptions. My point is that scripture shows us examples regarding a mountain thrown into the sea. None of these examples involves asteroids. In regards to the physical effects on the seas, if there isn't a physical effect on the sea and it is something else....how will you tell? Will you see it? You will say I will be gone, then who will see it? Is this is literal sea? If this sea monster lives in a literal sea, why did God need to kill a literal water creature? Why create one to kill it unless it isn't literal. Perhaps the next verse can help. Literal sea here? Or here? Or here? My point is, that literal approach doesn't seem to fit well IMO. Lets look at commentaries: Benson says, the sea, in the Hebrew language, is any collection of waters, as Daubuz observes: now, as waters are expressly made a symbol of people in this prophecy Ellicott says, The symbolism is only weakened by supposing an allegorical mountain to fall into a literal sea and to destroy literal ships.
Barnes says, It is not to be understood literally, of course; and the natural application is to some nation, or army, that has a resemblance in some respects to such a blazing mountain, and the effect of whose march would be like casting such a mountain into the ocean.
Jamieson-Fausett-Brown says, A mountain-like fiery mass would not naturally change water into blood; nor would the third part of ships be thereby destroyed.Now commentators are not always correct as we all are our own commentators as such. I only posted a few from biblehub. You can see my post on Oct 13 at 3:13 pm I think for the fact Satan has already been cast out. board.unsealed.org/thread/710/ezekiel-fall-satan-allowed-heaven?page=2 |
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Post by boraddict on Jan 11, 2019 20:57:53 GMT -6
Venge, where are you? Here in Mormon country the weather is not bad. That's one out of two I guess. Not that they're bad, just very misguided.
I have always interpreted the "mountain" metaphor to represent a nation. So a mountain burning with fire (Rev. 8:8) is a nation burning with fire (Rev. 17:16). Thus, the beast and his ten horns burn the nation and then cast it into the sea causing 1/3rd of mankind to be destroyed along with the destruction of that nation (the U. S.) and this is Isaiah 18.
I should start a thread on Isaiah 18. It was in that Chapter that I found 2024 as the tribulation; although that timeline is off a little.
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Post by venge on Jan 12, 2019 7:34:00 GMT -6
Venge, where are you? Here in Mormon country the weather is not bad. That's one out of two I guess. Not that they're bad, just very misguided. I have always interpreted the "mountain" metaphor to represent a nation. So a mountain burning with fire (Rev. 8:8) is a nation burning with fire (Rev. 17:16). Thus, the beast and his ten horns burn the nation and then cast it into the sea causing 1/3rd of mankind to be destroyed along with the destruction of that nation (the U. S.) and this is Isaiah 18. I should start a thread on Isaiah 18. It was in that Chapter that I found 2024 as the tribulation; although that timeline is off a little. Hey BORA! I currently live in Virginia. I’d agree with your mountain representation. A nation as we understand it or a kingdom in the Bible though verses also explain it as the capital city of the kingdom/nation. Just as each beast of the earth rules their kingdom from 1 capital city over his kingdom. Example: Nebuchadnezzar as the beast with the capital being Babylon and the kingdom being Babylonian Empire. The casting into the sea is moving an immovable object like a great kingdom and it’s sinking in the sea resembles that it will never rise again. As one example, we are given Babylon. We don’t know that the mountain is the USA. That is speculation which is fine as long as others reading understand it is not scriptural. I don’t use years like 2024. Knowing a year disagrees with the idea of I come like a thief. If you were to know the year, you could wait to the last second to change. That doesn’t agree with the Bible. The day or the hour isn’t literal. It was a saying in the KJV like there is no way to prepare. That’s why the thief explanation was drawn. You don’t know when a thief will ever break in. Not today, tomorrow, next year. Not the season or time he does it. But, our savior shows us we can see signs that it is close, even at the door. The signs are Christians dieing in the world. Persecution, not much love, etc... spiritual signs and signs against His people. For me, the day is not important. It is understanding what to look for and saving others from the fire. The latter is harder to do. |
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