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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 8:47:02 GMT -6
"Perhaps the Church was not meant to be symbolized by Jupiter. Perhaps the Rev 12 Sign kicked off a new pregnancy, this time for the Body and not the Head."
Everything I've studied on the subject states that the Virgin represents the Church (Israel) and the the Dragon the Beast.
Jupiter is therefore neither of those, but will rule both. The later is my construction. I'll speak at some further point on Mars who figures in the stars at the time of Atonement this coming September. A time of imbalance such has never before occurred.
I'd ask everybody to consider the difference between Virgin and Leo her crown, and Jupiter and Mars who are tiny by comparison. Not to mention the Beast who is lurking, hidden, behind or within all the aforementioned.
My single point is that I agree that Jupiter is not "the Church" and this seems crystal to clear to me, so I'm surprised that anybody would adopt that view.
Dent
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Post by fitz on May 30, 2018 15:42:54 GMT -6
The Church and Israel are not synonymous. The Church did not replace Israel (though I know Replacement Theology attempts to say that).
With regard to the Rev 12 sign, most believe the Woman is Israel. It can be argued that the Church was born out of Israel as the first Christians were Jews, then gentiles began to be added.
Personally, I always associated Jupiter (being the "king planet") with the Father, Venus with the Son, neither with the Church. But because Jupiter spent some time in the "womb", people began to associate it with the Church. This was also when most thought the sign was a direct sign for the rapture, which it still may be. I am looking for a birth to occur 9 months or thereabouts after 9/23/17. Not sure at all if that's the rapture or the beginning of the 70th week. Time will tell.
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 16:53:42 GMT -6
The Church and Israel are not synonymous. The Church did not replace Israel (though I know Replacement Theology attempts to say that). With regard to the Rev 12 sign, most believe the Woman is Israel. It can be argued that the Church was born out of Israel as the first Christians were Jews, then gentiles began to be added. Personally, I always associated Jupiter (being the "king planet") with the Father, Venus with the Son, neither with the Church. But because Jupiter spent some time in the "womb", people began to associate it with the Church. This was also when most thought the sign was a direct sign for the rapture, which it still may be. I am looking for a birth to occur 9 months or thereabouts after 9/23/17. Not sure at all if that's the rapture or the beginning of the 70th week. Time will tell. Hi Keith, I'm just shooting from the hip here, this isn't part of my "main drive" rather my "perspective" after 40 years of Bible study. I believe that Jews (Jacob) represent the faithful part of Israel: the Judea part. Whilst Christians (Esau) represent the lost 10 tribes called variously Israel, Samaria, Ephraim. I gained much insight from John 4 in this regard. So, my interpretation of "the Virgin" is that she is the Israel whose capitol was Samaria; whilst "the Lion" above her represent the Israel whose capitol is Jeruselem. Together they are "The Dragon" as described in many places but most striking to me is their description in God's sight in Ezekiel 23. Which leads me back to these "virgins" clients who are the unbelieving Chaldean princes and noble-men. The horror of the crime of these ladies is that in selling themselves, they transferred their authority from their husband to their Babylonian Ba'als. And to this day, every Church is "sold out" to the state in which it lives. None more-so obviously than my country where Queen is Head of both State and Church. Jupiter has always been the god of war in all recorded history. The war between these ladies' real God will be when that real God deals with all the Ba'als in the world at once. Then and only then will God recover his property. Which is both the women (us brother as parts of his bride) and the world his bride was supposed to run for and with him. That's the day I was made for. The Great and Terrible Day of my Lord. I was told this in a vision on Christ Mass Day 1977. I'm very much looking forward to 23 June 2018. But more so to Christ Mass. I feel labour pains as I type (spiritually, metaphorically speaking). I produced a Tract for last Christmas. Wrote it between 21 Aug and 23 September 2017. I didn't print it because I was told to sit on it. Is that the sort of thing I could upload in PDF format. It's small. A4 double sided. Dent |
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Post by Job19 on May 30, 2018 23:08:58 GMT -6
Hi Brothers & Sisters,
With regards to the symbolism of Jupiter in relation to last years Revelation 12 sign I do agree with Fitz that Jupiter is the King planet. There are many great videos out there, including Paul Dawsons', testifying to the proof and historicity of this but I would also like to add that Galatians 3:26-29 states :
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise".
When we read Revelation 12:1-5 we find that the person of Jesus Christ (verse 2) and the Church (verse 5)(Greek word "teknon for Man Child-a corporate body & not an individual) are used interchangeably and so Jupiter in this heavenly stage play does include the Church. If that is the case then the Church was caught up to God and His throne on 24th December 2017. This, in my opinion, completed the Rev 12 sign (Verses 1-5) so far as it pertained to the Church. The Revelation 12 sign did not end on 23rd September 2017.
It is what I discovered about the first advent of Christ and the celestial patterns at that time that prompted me to start this thread since it has a precise and direct correlation to Rosh Hashanah this year. I still maintain that there were the exact number of days (please see my first post) from a sign pointing to the Birth of Jesus (the head) and His actual birth and the 24th December 2017 (the end of the sign pointing to the Birth of the Church (the body) and Rosh Hashanah 2018.
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Post by fitz on Jun 2, 2018 7:32:52 GMT -6
Job19 can you please expound on the Dec. 24 thing? I'm not getting it from what you've posted. I know that's Christmas eve, but most dismiss that date as the birth of Jesus. What is it's significance in your studies? I have been thinking that the Rev 12 sign was simply a straight up birth...i.e. 9/23/17 + or - 270 - 280 days...human gestation period. This sign being for the Church as Jesus was already born once. So I'm thinking June 21 - June 30 time frame. So why the Dec. 24 diversion in your calculations? Also, I don't think it happens on a feast day (FOT). Doesn't seem very stealthy to me. I'm thinking it happens on an ordinary/unexpected day.  Help me understand your reasoning. Thank you!
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Post by Job19 on Jun 2, 2018 8:52:07 GMT -6
Job19 can you please expound on the Dec. 24 thing? I'm not getting it from what you've posted. I know that's Christmas eve, but most dismiss that date as the birth of Jesus. What is it's significance in your studies? I have been thinking that the Rev 12 sign was simply a straight up birth...i.e. 9/23/17 + or - 270 - 280 days...human gestation period. This sign being for the Church as Jesus was already born once. So I'm thinking June 21 - June 30 time frame. So why the Dec. 24 diversion in your calculations? Also, I don't think it happens on a feast day (FOT). Doesn't seem very stealthy to me. I'm thinking it happens on an ordinary/unexpected day. Help me understand your reasoning. Thank you! Hi Fitz,
I am suggesting that the Rev 12 sign, as far as it relates to the Church, (Rev 12:1-5) ended on 24th December 2017 and not 23rd Sept 2017. The Birth occurred on 23rd Sept but that's not the end of the story. We Christians are caught up to God and His throne (Verse 5) and I believe that there is really good evidence that that sign occurred on 24th December 2017 when Jupiter crossed into Libra (You can check this out on Stellarium). Please don't get sidetracked by it being Christmas Eve, that's just a coincidence.
I then followed this through and discovered that there are exactly the same number of days from 24th December 2017 to the first day of Rosh Hashanna this year as there was between the Birth of the Messiah and the sign for the wise men. In other words the same pattern for the Birth of the Head (Jesus) may be there for the birth of the body (the Church). I am not violating scripture because Rosh Hashanna is a 2 day feast and I don't know the day or the hour of a possible rapture. I have a previous post on this regarding the carefully chosen words of our Lord regarding his return.
I have posted some videos and charts to support this including a great video from Paul Dawson on Libra being the throne of God.
Many blessings David
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Post by fitz on Jun 2, 2018 8:56:02 GMT -6
Thank you. I get it now. So Dec. 24 was a clue to the start of the gestation count to FOT. Hmmm....interesting. I'd rather I be right than you, but I'd take it!
Thank you!
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Post by Job19 on Jun 9, 2018 6:24:49 GMT -6
I have been wondering why the Man-Child (The Church/Jupiter) took exactly three months to enter the Throne room of God (Libra), from 23rd September 2017 to 24th December 2017. Jupiter seemed to play its part in the belly of Virgo for 9 months, going back and forth in retrograde motion, in an amazing cosmic dance before finally being born and then headed straight for the Throne room to fulfil verse 5 of Revelation 12. This journey took 3 months and I was recently looking for any biblical models or patterns for a 3 month period.
"Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months." Exodus 2:1-2
I believe that there are pre-trib rapture passages in the old testament and here is one of them :"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger".Zeph 2:3
1 Thess 4 teaches that at the moment of the rapture we do not go immediately to Heaven but we are caught up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. As born again saints our spiritual home and inheritance is already in Heaven but flesh and blood cannot enter. We must be changed, the corruption putting on incorruption, and I wonder if all this and possibly the Bema seat judgement of Christ happens in this three month period. Will we be hidden for three months from the dragon as Moses was hidden for three months in a protective ark.
The signs are there so lets hope and pray that the actual event will not be too far behind.
Maranatha
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