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Post by boraddict on Jan 2, 2018 18:07:24 GMT -6
The parallelism begins with "the commandment" in both Dan. 9:23 and 9:25 that is given first to Gabriel and then to the Messiah.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Thus, in the first case the commandment came to Gabriel when Daniel began his supplication, and in the second case the commandment came to the Messiah when the Prince (Darius) is given seven weeks and sixty two weeks.
The seven weeks must therefore be the feast of weeks that is 49 days long. Then on the 50th day is the rapture. That is, the day of rapture begins the 62 weeks.
Thus, the commandment comes to the Messiah when the beast, Darius, has seven weeks. It means that the beginning of the Jerusalem construction is also the beginning of Darius (Francis) as the seventh beast.
It means that when Francis becomes the seventh beast then the order comes to the Messiah to build Jerusalem. At the end of the seventh week is the rapture, and at the end of the following 62nd is the functioning temple.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 3, 2018 8:32:11 GMT -6
The second aspect of the parallelism is the 70 weeks in Dan. 9:24 to the 7, 62, and 1 week in Dan. 9:25-27.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I have often wondered why the Savior puts forth so much effort to have a functioning temple for only half a week as stated in Dan. 9:27; one half of the 70th week. The answer is stated in Dan. 9:24 that the temple is "to anoint the most holy." And why is he anointed? King of the Jews?
Why is the Messiah of Dan. 9:25 who received the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem, and then after he is anointed (Dan. 9:24) he is cut off (Dan. 9:26). That is, after he is anointed he is cut off by whom? We know from Rev. 11:6 that no one can hurt Jerusalem. Thus, it is the rejection of Christ as their king after the temple is completed that cuts him off. The Messiah is rejected after the temple is finished and the anointing has taken place.
Rev. 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
So the Messiah protected Jerusalem during the restoration and building of Jerusalem. Then when the temple is fully functional and he is anointed king, the Jews reject him. And why did they reject him? Because they could not accept that Jesus is the Christ. Thus, he leaves and the city is sacked by the Mede Darius, who by this time is the false prophet beast of the 8th kingdom (Rev. 17:11).
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Post by kjs on Jan 4, 2018 8:27:12 GMT -6
The parallelism begins with "the commandment" in both Dan. 9:23 and 9:25 that is given first to Gabriel and then to the Messiah. 23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Thus, in the first case the commandment came to Gabriel when Daniel began his supplication, and in the second case the commandment came to the Messiah when the Prince (Darius) is given seven weeks and sixty two weeks. The seven weeks must therefore be the feast of weeks that is 49 days long. Then on the 50th day is the rapture. That is, the day of rapture begins the 62 weeks. Thus, the commandment comes to the Messiah when the beast, Darius, has seven weeks. It means that the beginning of the Jerusalem construction is also the beginning of Darius (Francis) as the seventh beast. It means that when Francis becomes the seventh beast then the order comes to the Messiah to build Jerusalem. At the end of the seventh week is the rapture, and at the end of the following 62nd is the functioning temple. May I suggest you be very careful when considering your translations ... seems to simple bring confusion when you substitute words.... For example verse 23 does not contain the word "the commandment" .... Here is a direct translation..... 23 At the beginning of thy supplications a word went forth, and I am come to declare it; for thou art greatly beloved; therefore look into the word, and understand the vision. the text says "a word went forth" -- it could also be translated an "answer came forth" The point being is Daniel is being told that "his answer" to his petition (prayer) was already being answered the moment he started praying.... There is no commandment being made of Daniel ..... Gabriel is simply relying the answer -- no commandment..... Part of the answer is that the Messiah will (would) be revealed at a certain period of time -- as outlined in the prophesy.... the starting period would the command to rebuild Jerusalem streets.... This prophecy has already been fulfilled and has nothing t do with the rapture......... |
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Post by fitz on Jan 4, 2018 8:56:53 GMT -6
kjs , Well actually...it depends on the translation you are reading. For example, the NLT says 23 The moment you began praying, a command was given.I do not understand boraddicts endtimes view, and agree with you, this is fulfilled prophecy, but you can find the word rendered as "commandment" in that verse. Just sayin'. Edit: Understood the NLT is a paraphrase type of translation, but they picked that word. There are others...NASB - 23 At the beginning of your supplications the [r]command was issued, ([r] = Daniel 9:23 Lit word went out).
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Post by kjs on Jan 4, 2018 10:13:27 GMT -6
kjs , Well actually...it depends on the translation you are reading. For example, the NLT says 23 The moment you began praying, a command was given.I do not understand boraddicts endtimes view, and agree with you, this is fulfilled prophecy, but you can find the word rendered as "commandment" in that verse. Just sayin'. Edit: Understood the NLT is a paraphrase type of translation, but they picked that word. There are others...NASB - 23 At the beginning of your supplications the [r]command was issued, ([r] = Daniel 9:23 Lit word went out). The word in question is dabar --- which means -- speech, word |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 11:35:08 GMT -6
My understanding is that the command/word was given to Gabriel. Of course a word from God is sort of like a commandment. Either way, the point was that instructions were given to Gabriel to provide Daniel with understanding. So Gabriel did. It was not a commandment for Daniel. I am in concert with kjs. I also agree that this prophecy has been fulfilled. But, many times, there are multiple fulfillments and so we must review such things with that in mind. |
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Post by boraddict on Jan 4, 2018 13:50:03 GMT -6
Yes. Sorry about that. I should have said I was working out of the King James.
My point was as silent has said, the instruction was not to Daniel but to Gabriel, and likewise the instruction was to the Messiah and not to the Prince (Prince Darius from Verse 9:1). Then we see the people of the prince meaning the people of Darius coming to destroy the city. This is, or becomes "a flood" meaning an army unto the end of the war. Then, desolations are determined meaning desolations upon Darius and his army.
For me this would be much easier to understand if Daniel had written Cyrus. After all, it was Cyrus the Persian who was the true successor of the Babylonians, and it was he who returned the Jews to rebuild the temple. I guess Cyrus was a good guy in that regard, whereas Darius was more representative as a follower of Satan. Thus, the emphasis is upon the actions of the tyrant that precedes Cyrus' Persian kingdom. You know, first was the Babylons and then the Persians per Daniel's interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream (2:39). Keep in mind that the kingdoms in the book of Daniel preside over Judah. The third kingdom to preside over Judah is Greece and the fourth is Rome. I do not think that the Medes truly ruled over Judah because when we think of the Medes they were simply the forerunner of the Persians. Like the false prophet is the forerunner of the 8th beast. My point is that Darius is like Francis, they are not the actual beast who rules, but they directly precede that beast; just as Darius in Chapter 9 precedes Cyrus in Chapter 10.
I understand that Chapter 9 is a historical event; however, I also see a type and shadow relationship therein.
The covenant in Verse 9:27 was never confirmed by Darius; historically speaking that is. Additionally, the covenant was never confirmed by the Messiah in the 70th week and in the midst of the week causing the sacrifice to cease. Thus, we see the type in the previous verses and must ascertain the shadow. It is that shadow to which I am referring.
And as you have said this is entirely my interpretation and the jest of it is that Francis causes the attack upon Jerusalem as the 7th beast when he assumes control of the United Nations (Dan. 7:8). However, he can not attack until the two prophets are killed (Rev. 11:7).
The following verses should flow as follows:
Dan. 9:25, "... from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah, the prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again...."
Dan. 9:26 "... and after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off but not for himself, and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city...."
That is, the Messiah does not destroy the city but Darius the prince does. Since this never happened in history then the shadow shows that Francis destroys the city.
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