The Kingdom of God

That is fine, so when someone creates a thread on a topic, it is only to be centered around the original poster's ideas?

I just wanna make sure I follow rules here. Thanks!

domagb , I suppose the problem was in the title I chose for this thread. I should've named it more specifically to indicate the kingdom of God from the historical/purpose perspective that I am positing. Though your posts were about the kingdom of God, they were about the kingdom of God from a completely different perspective than the one which I was laying out. I take the blame for this because of a poorly named thread.

Of course there is overlap between what you're saying and what I'm saying but the basic premise behind your view and my view is completely different. Does that help clarify some of the confusion? I certainly don't want to suppress alternative opinions or questions.

Thank you for answering my questions.  I thought you did a fine job explaining it. At least, I am pretty sure I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from.   

I have found that digging into when the prophets were writing, who they were writing to, and the basics on Israel history has helped me a lot when I now read through the OT.  I agree that some prophecies have already been fulfilled and others are for the future.  Multiple fulfillments are a bit harder.

The Nine Kingdoms

When Israel refused to follow God’s instructions God reached out and used other kingdoms to execute His judgement against the house of Israel. To Israel at the time this would often appear as an enemy coming and waging war with Israel. Occasionally, a prophet would come and warn the people that judgment was coming at the hand of an enemy.

Today, when we experience trials, we often blame the person or situation causing our frustration. Other times we blame it on Satan. But when we do this, we miss the point of what is happening in our life. God uses other people, satan, and events to bring judgment in our lives. Typically, we are not in touch enough with ourselves and God to recognize the hand of God in these things. But just like Jacob saw the face of God in his enemy / brother Esau. So must we. We should embrace the trial and the enemy as a welcome judgment. Die to ourselves and accept the hand of God in our lives. This is very hard to do, but when we don’t, God takes what could have been a wooden yoke and exchanges it for an iron yoke. This turns what could have been a simple fire and learning experience into a much more intense or longer period of judgement.

Jer 28:13 Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron.

Eventually, Assyria was used by God to capture Israel. And then Babylon was used by God to capture Judah. But Judah was first given the option to be under a wooden yoke. Jeremiah told Judah that if they accepted the the wooden yoke of allowing Babylon to rule over Judah for a period of time, they could stay in their houses and cities and keep their temple. But if they refused to accept God’s judgment, then God would allow Babylon to completely enslave Judah and take them into captivity into Babylon. This would be the iron yoke and included the destruction of the city and temple.

Judah did not accept the judgement of God and so the wooden yoke was not to be, instead they were forced to live under the iron yoke. The result of this was that Judah was under the control of one kingdom after another for most of their existence.  We should note, however, that by being “captured” by the “enemy”, Israel was also kept safe from other enemies. So while they were under judgment, they were also protected at the same time. So God used judgement as a form of protection. Both mercy and justice were being carried out at the same time.

Dan 2:31  "You, O king, were looking and behold, there was a single great statue; that statue, which was large and of extraordinary splendor, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was awesome.
Dan 2:32  "The head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze,
Dan 2:33  its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
Dan 2:34  "You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them.
Dan 2:35  "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
Dan 2:36  "This was the dream; now we will tell its interpretation before the king.
Dan 2:37  "You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength and the glory;
Dan 2:38  and wherever the sons of men dwell, or the beasts of the field, or the birds of the sky, He has given them into your hand and has caused you to rule over them all. You are the head of gold.
Dan 2:39  "After you there will arise another kingdom inferior to you, then another third kingdom of bronze, which will rule over all the earth.
Dan 2:40  "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so, like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces.
Dan 2:41  "In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay.
Dan 2:42  "As the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle.
Dan 2:43  "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.
Dan 2:44  "In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.
Dan 2:45  "Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy."

This passage forms the basis of kingdom history. We see six kingdoms described in this passage and we will add three more to fill out the nine.

1. Israel (not mentioned in this passage - because they were already in captivity) 
2. Judah (not mentioned in this passage - because they were already in captivity)
3. Head of Gold = Babylon
4. Breast of Silver = Media-Persia
5. Thighs of Bronze = Greece
6. Legs of Iron = Rome (active when John wrote the Revelation)
7. Feet of Iron and Clay = Papal Rome(Christianity) / Muslims
8. Mystery Babylon (not mentioned, active now - and in some ways, active always)
9. Stone = Saints of the Most High God

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five[1-5] are fallen, and one[6] is, and the other[7] is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth[8], and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The 8th kingdom is really part of all the first 7 kingdoms.  Mystery Babylon has always been at work as we have spoken of before, the spiritual kingdom of Babylon has been at war with Zion since the beginning.  But during the time period of the 8th kingdom - which is now - there is no earthly kingdom in charge other than the 7 - which is not really a kingdom, but a religious proxy.  Instead - all earthly kingdoms are under the control of the 8th kingdom - Mystery Babylon.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


In verse 37, Daniel makes the claim that God gave the king of Babylon the kingdom, the power, the strength and the glory. Nebuchadnezzar did not accomplish this on his own.  Judah did not fall because of Satan - God gave the kingdom to Babylon. And as we can see, Nebuchadnezzer was given charge of “wherever the sons of men dwell to rule over them all”. This gives us the scope of how God perceived this situation. Effectively, Nebuchadnezzer inherited the kingship mandate when he took Judah into captivity. It was now his responsibility to manifest the kingdom on earth. This is confirmed by Jeremiah:

Jer 27:5  "I have made the earth, the men and the beasts which are on the face of the earth by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and I will give it to the one who is pleasing in My sight.
Jer 27:6  "Now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, My servant, and I have given him also the wild animals of the field to serve him.
Jer 27:7  "All the nations shall serve him and his son and his grandson until the time of his own land comes; then many nations and great kings will make him their servant.

Later, in Daniel 9, we see that Daniel had discerned the time that Jeremiah had declared Judah would be in captivity to Babylon. Daniel enjoined the Lord to forgive the people and allow them to return to Jerusalem - for God’s sake.

What Daniel did not realize, is that because of Judah’s refusal to accept the wooden yoke, the judgment would last 7 “times”. How do we now they were to be judged 7 “times” ? From here:

Lev 26:23  And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
Lev 26:24  Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
Lev 26:25  And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

God could multiply 7 by 1, 3, 7, 10, 30, 49, 70, 360, etc. Of course, He is God so He could multiply by whatever he wants. But these are the typical numbers we see in His historic judgements.

We are all familiar with the time, times, and half a time = 42 (30’s) = 1260. The 7 times is twice this amount. We know 1 time is 360 in this pattern.

Whether days or years - the important element are the multipliers. So, Jeremiah said the judgment would be 7 times 10. 70 years. But since Judah had not accepted the wooden yoke, they were put under the iron yoke of 7 times 360. And as it turns out, the duration was in years. So we end up with 2520 years.


Side note: We see the same pattern for Israel. Who began the first portions of their captivity in 745 BC. And the final fall of Samaria(Capitol) in 721 BC. So we see that 2520 years later - is 1776(Declaration of Independence), and 1800 (year capitol moved to Washington DC). I’m not going to dwell on this in this thread. Things that make you go, hmmmmm.


And so through Daniel we find that the mandates passed from one beast kingdom to another over the course of 2520 years.  Israel failed.  After the split, Judah failed.  They were already in Babylon, after this would come Media Persia. Greece would follow and then Rome. Rome eventually divided into an Eastern and a Western Kingdom - symbolized by the two legs of iron. Once Rome fell, there was not a solid kingdom that ruled over Jerusalem again. Instead, it passed back and forth at times and was jointly held at other times.  Fought over by Muslims and Christians.  This is why Daniel sees that the feet and toes kingdom “will be a divided kingdom” and “will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery”.

Now something is very clear in this statue - it started at the top and ended at the earth - there was nothing else. We have seen these kingdoms come and go and are in the 7th and 8th kingdom now. Why 7th and 8th? Because Mystery Babylon is the eighth, but is also of all the previous kingdoms. So formally, the 7th kingdom still owns the mandate and the 8th kingdom has taken an unofficial position of authority as it rules from behind the scenes.  Choosing to remain a mystery.

From verse 44 we see that the ninth kingdom is not part of the statue - which was made by hands of man - but was made by God - cut out without hands. Each of the kingdoms will come to an end, but Daniel says the stone kingdom will destroy the system of beast kingdoms and will not be followed by any other kingdoms. Instead it will “became a great mountain[kingdom] and filled the whole earth.” The ninth kingdom does not come to an end. We see this again here:

Dan 7:14  And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Dan 7:18  But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Dan 7:22  Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

This time is quickly approaching when this stone[sons of God - with Jesus as their head] will be cut out (from the body) and will manifest the kingdom of God on earth. This work will continue until the kingdom of God covers the whole earth. How do we know this time is soon? Because the 2520 years granted to the beast kingdoms ended in 2014-2017. It was a three year process for Jerusalem to fall from 607 BC to 604 BC.

Technically, this time would have ended in 1917, and this is when Britain gained possession of Jerusalem.  However, during the Greek possession of the kingdom, Judah had a 100 year period of independence from 163 BC to 63 BC. Therefore, the beast kingdoms were owed 100 more years. This 100 years extends the beast kingdoms reign to 2017. During this 100 years, much has changed.  Judah/Esau has come back into the land and now added a third interested party to the Christians and Muslims: Jews.  Mystery Babylon began to take more and more control over the earthly nations and has been reigning with a firm hand. But the time has come to an end, and I believe the sign on 9/23 (1 day into the Hebrew calendar of 2018) was a sign from God that it is time for the Kingdom to be given to the saints of the Most High God! But the beast kingdoms are not going to just give up. They will fight for their possession. It is this fight, that starts with a Heavenly decree, that spills over into the physical and we see documented in the Book of Revelation.

Jer 50:33  Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The children of Israel and the children of Judah were oppressed together: and all that took them captives held them fast; they refused to let them go.


Jesus tells us:

Luk 19:11  While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately.
Luk 19:12  So He said, "A nobleman went to a distant country to receive a kingdom for himself, and then return.

Even Jesus could not claim the kingdom prior to the appointed time - God is just and timing matters. The time was not right yet - Jesus would claim the kingship - but could not manifest the kingdom until the beast kingdoms of the world had finished their appointed times and failed to manifest the kingdom.  So he went into a far land - heaven - to receive the kingdom - and then return! 

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Before we conclude this post - I’d like to include the following just to get your thought processes moving. I won’t comment much about it, but it fits within this post. It is very likely we will come back to it later. My hope is that it might begin to reshape your opinion of “antichrist.”

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Dan 7:2  Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Rev 7:1  And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

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Dan 7:4  The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5  And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6  After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7  After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8  I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

lion had 1 head, bear had 1 head, leopard had 4 heads, 4th beast had 1 head, 10 horns;  total of 7 heads and 10 horns.

Rev 13:1  And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2  And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

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Dan 7:25  And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev 13:5  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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Dan 7:9  I beheld till the thrones were set up, …
Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5  .... This is the first resurrection.

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Dan 7:9  …and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10  A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Rev 20:11  And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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Dan 7:13  I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Rev 19:11  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

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Dan 7:14  And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Rev 11:15  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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In the next post, I will start describing what I think all of this means for us at this time. This will help to put the “end times” events into perspective and will likely answer some questions. And probably produce some more.

The glory of our Lord will reign forever and ever, and we’re about to witness that manifested NOW. With each post I get more and more excited; the day draws near and the Kingdom of Heaven is here.

The world is not ready to handle this amount of joy! Hahaha! The sentiment of ‘the end’ is ending, and now the beginning of everything we’ve been waiting for is come.

Amen to all of this. I wish there was a word that we could say that captures all the marvelous brilliance in the Word of God. Truly wonderful.

Thank you brother @silentknight for being you and for putting the time you do into sharing here and shining a light on much beautiful truth in the Word of God.

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

So excited to witness the Kingdom of God manifest fully...oh the joy and oh the beauty and truth that we will get to be a part of...

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

WE ARE FREE IN CHRIST!