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Post by rt on Jan 23, 2018 14:29:39 GMT -6
someone in another thread suggested this book: The Coming Last Days Temple by Randall Price philologos.org/guide/books/price.randall.2.htmI am currently reading it, and it is loaded with everything you would want to know about the Temple history both ancient and more modern as well as it's future. I would highly recommend it for anyone serious about learning more. It is very heady and I have to read it in small bits to process all the information, but it has so many things in it I did not know about. There is also a video www.amazon.com/dp/B003UAF1H4 |
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Post by kjs on Feb 8, 2018 14:42:04 GMT -6
Interesting/exciting times we live in. I have been hearing about this 3rd temple more and more, though most tend to glance over this news. I think they already got the priests trained and the tools ready to go.
Do you see the Harpazo happening before the 3rd Temple, concurrently/ about the same time, or later?? I really want to get other people's take on this.
Disciple4life.
I lean more toward the BEFORE myself -- (but that is because I am basis and I want the "Great Snatch" to happen NOW) but I will concede it could occur concurrently ..... I doubt it happens AFTER because that would imply they already started up again...... |
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Post by fitz on Feb 8, 2018 15:01:26 GMT -6
I think it's built and the sacrifices start after we are gone. Plenty of time in the first 3.5 years to get it done before the A of D occurs at the mid-point. But I doubt we hang out here long enough to see it started.
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Post by Joecool on Feb 9, 2018 11:15:51 GMT -6
I think it's built and the sacrifices start after we are gone. Plenty of time in the first 3.5 years to get it done before the A of D occurs at the mid-point. But I doubt we hang out here long enough to see it started. There is more than enough time since, there may be a gap in between the day of the rapture and the day the 7 years actually starts. We don't really know how long between the rapture and the tribulation start. |
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Post by witness1 on Feb 9, 2018 12:03:07 GMT -6
What are your feelings on Rev 11:1-2? It is one of the main passages used to prove the dispensational model of the antichrist defiling the temple at the midpoint of 7 years. But if this passage is about a literal temple, it would have to be built before the 2 Witnesses begin their testimony. That would imply a pretty large gap between the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation. I very much believe in a literal pre-trib rapture, but I think we have been reading all of this temple stuff wrong.
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 13, 2018 15:49:10 GMT -6
What are your feelings on Rev 11:1-2? It is one of the main passages used to prove the dispensational model of the antichrist defiling the temple at the midpoint of 7 years. But if this passage is about a literal temple, it would have to be built before the 2 Witnesses begin their testimony. That would imply a pretty large gap between the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation. I very much believe in a literal pre-trib rapture, but I think we have been reading all of this temple stuff wrong. Hello witness1 and other watchmen ;-)
I'm not sure how you get from this passage that the temple has to be built before the 2 witnesses start their testimony.
Another question that's for everyone really, "I don't think that the vision John has is him literally measuring the 3rd Temple -- I guess in other words, I don't think this passage means he is literally measuring length and width - in feet and yards. hmmmm. Also, it could be that the witnesses start their fire-breathing Godzilla acts, concurrently - while the 3rd temple is being built.
I don't see anything in this passage or anywhere that says they have to wait to start until the 3rd temple is finished. Am I missing something?
Anyway -- it's a very exciting time. Things are really heating up in Syria and Israel with Iran - this week. Wow. wow. Both J D Farag and Amir Tsarfati had updates.
Blessings, Disciple4life.
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Post by fitz on Feb 13, 2018 19:04:41 GMT -6
I think it's built and the sacrifices start after we are gone. Plenty of time in the first 3.5 years to get it done before the A of D occurs at the mid-point. But I doubt we hang out here long enough to see it started. There is more than enough time since, there may be a gap in between the day of the rapture and the day the 7 years actually starts. We don't really know how long between the rapture and the tribulation start. I don't see a gap between rapture and tribulation. I think the rapture more or less starts the trib. No way life continues as normal afterward. Mass chaos...rioting...looting...killing...martial law, etc. Awful. And the evil will take control as soon as the Holy Spirit (restrainer) departs. |
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Post by witness1 on Feb 13, 2018 20:44:50 GMT -6
I don't see a gap either... I personally am wondering whether the earthquake in Iran the day of the Venus/Jupiter conjunction was the Lord confirming this. Just speculation on my part that can't really be confirmed... disciple4life, I don't see it as a literal measuring of a temple. I see it as a metaphor for the Bible measuring the hearts of men and the sealing of the people who rightfully worship in the inner alter while the people in the outer court are trampled. My point is that, if it's a literal temple, and if the outer court is supposed to be trampled for 42 weeks, that sounds like it's concurrent with the witnesses' testimony of 1260 days which doesn't make sense with a literal temple. I guess the only way around it (if this is a literal temple) would be that the 42 months and 1260 days are different time periods. |
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Post by kjs on Feb 14, 2018 12:02:50 GMT -6
Will there be a "GAP" between the Rapture and the start of the Tribulation?
Absolutely -- 100% guaranteed -- there will be a GAP .....
The real question -- then -- how long will that GAP last......
According to Daniel 9 -- the "start" will be the HE "confirming" of a covenant with Israel
who the HE is --- is still very much debated (though I fall in the camp of the HE is the AC)
what "confirming of a covenant" is still debated as well
-- is it a NEW covenant
-- is it affirming an existing covenant
-- will multiple parties need to ratify said covenant (after all if it is with Israel and Israel is not a monarchy at this time -- then some government faction (a majority) will need to agree with it.....
All of this suggest much passage of time -- possibly up to an year....
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Post by Joecool on Feb 14, 2018 13:47:36 GMT -6
I think there will be a gap of at least of a few days if nothing else, because once the rapture happens the mass chaos from the disappearances or from the rioting will prob knock a large section of the electricity out. I also believe the AC will need some time to take control. Although I guess the we could be raptured simultaneously with the confirming of the covenant, afterall the covenant mightly secretly in the works as we type.
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Post by fitz on Feb 14, 2018 20:20:53 GMT -6
All of this suggest much passage of time -- possibly up to an year.... I think the biggest reason for my conjecture of "no gap" isn't the seemingly obvious chaos that ensues after the rapture, although that's part of it. The biggest thing for me is that Paul tells us that when they are saying "peace and safety", sudden destruction comes upon them. We must be gone before this happens, and it seems to me that it happens directly prior... 1 Thessalonians 5:1 - 9... 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, How many times have we seen in the news recently these exact words spoken by prominent politicians? Trump said it like 6 times during the speech where he recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. Then, Netanyahu said it a couple times in his response to the Trump speech. And many more examples could be cited. What "peace and safety" is anyone going to believe after millions of people suddenly vanish in an instant and life as we know it devolves into chaos and panic? Anyone saying that after the rapture happens would most likely sound like a lunatic in light of whats going on in the streets. Not proof that the tribulation has to follow the rapture immediately, but it's very, very compelling to me. |
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Post by witness1 on Feb 14, 2018 20:37:58 GMT -6
I agree fitz. That is a really good point. 2 Thess 2 also sounds to me like Paul is equating the gathering (rapture) with "the day of the Lord". It seems to me that Paul is saying that they shouldn't worry that they missed the rapture because "the day of the Lord" has not come. "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come." |
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Post by klb on Feb 18, 2018 14:52:41 GMT -6
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Post by bernie on Nov 6, 2018 11:27:33 GMT -6
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