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Post by mike on Nov 26, 2017 8:01:25 GMT -6
After hitting the hay last night while thinking more about this I realized I left out something that bears mentioning. Many who were watching 9/23 with great anticipation were "devastated" that seemingly nothing happened.
At least nothing from the perspective of a catching up. So with that experience I add to my prior post about date watching. Seeing several brothers and sister very hurt and down about the dates coming and going had helped me to look more to Him.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 26, 2017 10:20:32 GMT -6
Dennis, At first glance, this looks amazing! Will look forward to thinking and praying about this and see what the Lord does with it. Throughout the watch season, it always seemed that Pentecost needed to tie in somehow, and I think you've given a convincing argument as to how that could occur. How beautiful if this should come to pass! Thank you for your work and for sharing this! The test for whether this is actually accurate is to see if it resonates with Spirit-filled believers. If all were like you then I would know it was accurate. There have been a couple so far but not a ground swell. You know, I think the Holy Spirit really wants to go home too. And He wants to go home like Zamporini not that Olympic long jump skier that barely made it to the threshold. If the Holy Spirit sees something that resonates it will cause the believer to resonate also. Let's see what happens in a week or two. As for me, I have not been dissuaded as yet. Here is what I will soon hear..."This theory is not hermeneutically accurate!" Yeah, that's what I am expecting to hear. Oh well. Still, I do not think I will be deterred. Blessings and thanks for your encouragement witness1. Putting "A DATE" Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Up on unsealed.org is kind of ....idio.....craz....brav...dumb...unless...it....makes se Soon, in any event, yup, we will rise and shine. Hi Den, I like your analysis. I know the work that you have put into this. I think the greater point is that we are right on top of the rapture and we all know it. That is why we are here. We are looking for the Savior because we know it is time. It is like the apostles looking for the Savior and saying "We have found the Messias" (John 1:41). They knew it was time. I like the Dec. 31 date that you have discovered and would like to add that I found Dec. 28th through a different means of analysis. My date; however, was weak and your date is solid. I also found a secondary date in March related to the first date in December. Thus, I think your date might be a precursor to a March event; thus, harmonizing to Social's findings. My take on the rapture is that an event occurs forcing the saints into their homes. This is a Passover. Then the rapture takes place some 50 days later. Thus, my March date is also weak and the secondary event, the rapture, could come in Feb. At any rate, the December date in my mind is the critical event. The rapture is secondary to that first event. Or rather, the rapture is the Savior's response to something that has happened. That is why he is taking his people out of harms way. Thus, I am absolutely confident in your Dec. 31 date. Things will heat up, so hang on. We are right on top of this thing and the Savior is in charge of it. Just exactly how it unfolds is anybody's guess but it begins on Dec. 31. Or, rather, my fingers are crossed that it begins on Dec. 31st and am confident that it will. I just have to keep clicking my heals together: "I want to go home, I just want to go home."  I will take a closer look at your analysis and prove it for myself. Thank you for sharing it with me. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 26, 2017 10:40:43 GMT -6
The test for whether this is actually accurate is to see if it resonates with Spirit-filled believers. If all were like you then I would know it was accurate. There have been a couple so far but not a ground swell. You know, I think the Holy Spirit really wants to go home too. And He wants to go home like Zamporini not that Olympic long jump skier that barely made it to the threshold. If the Holy Spirit sees something that resonates it will cause the believer to resonate also. Let's see what happens in a week or two. As for me, I have not been dissuaded as yet. Here is what I will soon hear..."This theory is not hermeneutically accurate!" Yeah, that's what I am expecting to hear. Oh well. Still, I do not think I will be deterred. Blessings and thanks for your encouragement witness1. Putting "A DATE" Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Up on unsealed.org is kind of ....idio.....craz....brav...dumb...unless...it....makes se Soon, in any event, yup, we will rise and shine. Hi Den, I like your analysis. I know the work that you have put into this. I think the greater point is that we are right on top of the rapture and we all know it. That is why we are here. We are looking for the Savior because we know it is time. It is like the apostles looking for the Savior and saying "We have found the Messias" (John 1:41). They knew it was time. I like the Dec. 31 date that you have discovered and would like to add that I found Dec. 28th through a different means of analysis. My date; however, was weak and your date is solid. I also found a secondary date in March related to the first date in December. Thus, I think your date might be a precursor to a March event; thus, harmonizing to Social's findings. My take on the rapture is that an event occurs forcing the saints into their homes. This is a Passover. Then the rapture takes place some 50 days later. Thus, my March date is also weak and the secondary event, the rapture, could come in Feb. At any rate, the December date in my mind is the critical event. The rapture is secondary to that first event. Or rather, the rapture is the Savior's response to something that has happened. That is why he is taking his people out of harms way. Thus, I am absolutely confident in your Dec. 31 date. Things will heat up, so hang on. We are right on top of this thing and the Savior is in charge of it. Just exactly how it unfolds is anybody's guess but it begins on Dec. 31. Or, rather, my fingers are crossed that it begins on Dec. 31st and am confident that it will. I just have to keep clicking my heals together: "I want to go home, I just want to go home." I will take a closer look at your analysis and prove it for myself. Thank you for sharing it with me. Thank you boraddict. You are assisting in the determination as to whether this is of the Lord or not. If it is, the Holy Spirit will cause people to resonate in the truth. If not, well then, glad to see you have alternative dates to consider and see if they bring Glory to God. I am hoping others will respond. Blessings. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 26, 2017 11:07:50 GMT -6
dennislwatson nothing wrong with looking at things that may point us to a date. With the great sign we had a known event that lined up with scripture exactly, which was amazing. When our hope of going home didn't happen that day we started to look for things we missed, hoping to find something soon. We attempted to squeeze God into a date parameter that met our desire and calculation for leaving. Unfortunately God had/has other ideas for us. Personally speaking I have all but stopped date searching, and began watching for Him. I want to know Him, His character, His undeserved love for me much greater than. 2 months ago..I know some share this with me also. While looking at dates and numbers is fun, whether Dec 31st comes and we go or we do not, I will look at the day in no way different than I did today. Maybe we go, if we don't, more time for me to be molded to what He wants and share Him with others through my life Thanks for your thoughts. It helps me determine what the various responses of those in the Watcher community will be to this. I respect your thoughts. I admit, I did not go to church on September 24. I was ticked at God and I thought, "I do not see the day approaching ANYMORE!!!! so Hebrews 10:25 suggests I should stay home." I did, then later that day the 50 day count to Pentecost came to mind. I anxiously waited till November 12. Nothing happened...that was when I took a closer look at the Leviticus 23:15 and 16 count which was why I am interested in 12/31 because it is not my count it is a count now so very clear to me from God, through Moses, through the occurrence of the Great Resurrection Sign in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 of all places. 2 points though. I never thought this was fun. I posted on unsealed.org in dread. You don't predict a DAY on unsealed.org!!!! I do like having a finish line. I suppose it is entirely wise to simply have "Jesus" be your finish line. Unless and only unless 12/31 actually is the date. One more thought. I find now, as I "study a date" or as you say and I get it, "squeeze God into a date parameter", I am, in fact, learning about Him, His character, His wisdom, His sovereignty, His love, His perfect righteousness, His justice, His love, His omniscience, His omnipotence, His omnipresence and it is all just breathtaking. Blessings Brother P.S. And, since you said, "nothing wrong with looking at things that may point us to a date" I am still doing it. You need not read this but here is a point I remembered this morning and have added to my "14 Reasons": B. BONUS POINT GARY STEARMAN AND J.R. CHURCH) I have a DVD where Gary Stearman and J.R. Church discuss in detail the “Mystery of the Menorah.” Their discussion is a very interesting reveal of the nature of the 7 branched lampstand, a menorah, and in Revelation 1, Jesus is standing in the “midst” of the Lampstand. What they point out is that in every Biblical group of 7 in the Bible, it is reflective of some truth about the 7 branched lampstand. It is always the MIDDLE BRANCH that is called the SERVANT BRANCH and the servant branch is usually associated with light, or fire, or burning or glowing. The view of Jesus being “in the midst” of the lampstand is indicating that Jesus is the servant of all. The servant branch is the branch associated with light and fire because it is the middle servant branch that is used to light the other lamps of the Menorah. There is much to be learned about the Menorah, and groups of seven in Scripture. For instance, how many Churches in Revelation 2 and 3. There are 7. If this seven were metaphorically a menorah, which church would be the middle church? That would be Thyatira. Is there any way Thyatira is associated with oil, flame or light? See for yourself… Rev. 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; It is the overcomers of the Thyatiran church, the middle church, that are most recognized by Watchers who are familiar with the Revelation 12:5 & 6 promise for the role of the manchild in future ages… Rev 2: 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. Now let’s consider whether another group of 7 where we can apply the “servant lamp” analysis. Let’s consider the 7 Feasts of the Lord. Is there any feast that can be associated with a lighting up or a flame? Yes there is. The middle feast, the feast of Pentecost. It was at this divine appointment where the 120 disciples were “lit up” by the fire of the Holy Spirit. Later on in that day in Acts 2, 3,000 were lit up by the Holy Spirit. Since that day each and every individual who is a part of the Church has been “lit up” as a result of the Spirit’s work in sealing our redemption. The middle feast, Pentecost, more specifically the termination of it, will be the feast where at its FULFILLMENT, THE HARVEST, THE RAPTURE, the church will not just be spiritually lit up but physically lit up. It is shown that this will happen right here… Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. The middle lamp is Jesus. He is the head. We are the body. We get connected when the Church becomes its fiery self and is transformed into a body that is able to see and approach God as He is. This happens at the rapture and the middle feast, Pentecost, is the catalyst. Saints. When will Pentecost end? Maranatha Saints. Soon we rise and shine. Dennis L. Watson lawtrams@aol.com |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Nov 26, 2017 12:14:29 GMT -6
I am not so sure we are squeezing God into a date parameter, Mike. Could it not be that we are FINALLY becoming INTIMATE with God through the date process? (I will say I am a little caught up in @silentknight 's Hearing God and Restoration threads..) What verse was it that I read this morning? Eph 1:11 "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" He works all things, even to those who would stumble from the Rev 12 sign... Those focusing on dates, where does that come from? For sure it comes from hindsight, and further delving into Scripture. Is 46:10 (NIV) "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." Gary's article Billy Graham turns 99 is summation of what we have so far in this intense, intimate watch: www.unsealed.org/2017/11/billy-graham-turns-99-and-other-news.htmlIt seems more that we are "learning" and even perhaps "Hearing" God as we combine date finding with current events on earth (Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38 prophecies for example), paying attention to the journey of Israel's redemption process (the last 120 years and the math that goes along with it specifically), and watching the skies (rev 12 sign, eclipses, planetary movements/conjunctions and locations, what great math there is there!) I am convinced that God's plan has an order. Even in the most miraculous order of DNA, many fail to see the great Creator's work. Date finding to me is like unraveling the workings of a DNA molecule, gene sequences and all that intricate design that makes life work...God's proof of order and planning. He said he would return...so there will be an hour that points to it...we most likely as man, will be off a bit on the exact hour, but still, how wonderful to seek Him that way!I agree, but on another angle: In regards to those that were/are "very hurt"... Although that I will agree that this has been a result to folks who were watching Rev 12, was that God's plan, knowing that there would be those "hurt"? Rather, could it be that He is perfecting those that are/were "hurt" ? Was the event on Sep 23 to be a challenge of our faith? It sure seemed just a little too easy and too much sense for the Rapture to occur then...in hindsight of course. I think God is grinning at us every time we do this darn date thing. He's gotta be joyful that we are seeking him that way! Perhaps the Sep 23rd event was most significant because it truly was a Sign..and what good are signs? Mark 8:11, 12 "The Pharisees came and began to question Jesus. To test him, they asked him for a sign from heaven. 12 He sighed deeply and said, “Why does this generation ask for a sign?"
Jesus knows our heart, and even so, with all the signs and wonders, some people do not believe...God KNOWS that Sep 23 would be a stumbling block. but stumbling block as a way to fine tune the believer, don't you think? I am trying to find the verse that says something along the lines that God's word does not return void...Sep 23 was not my stumbling block, but rather a good old fashioned honing, a fine-tuning of my faith and this: MORE KNOWLEDGE revealed. (and I think this is what you are saying, mike ) I am going to pray for those "hurt" from the misunderstanding of what Sep 23rd was to be. I pray for those to have a renewed focus on the pattern at hand. God's unfailing work, made with wonderful intricate "mysteries" that the Holy Spirit, in time, will reveal to each one of those who are "discouraged". Discouraged might be the better word than "hurt", maybe... What a great lesson in Faith! Heb 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. " Dec 31 will be for me just like it was for the blood moons, the Bethlehem Star, the Great eclipse, the Great Sign...God is saying something thru them all! keep running that race everyone! |
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Post by mike on Nov 26, 2017 20:42:00 GMT -6
Babs the Lord is not surprised by anything and ultimately in control over all things. From our limited perspective, factor in emotions and flesh and many times we miss the bigger picture. No one is exempt from that.
What I saw here on this site was (unfortunately) more than discouragement.
Seeing the helped me switch focus to those but pointing them to Him and not any date.
The signs of the season abound, He is coming for us soon!
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 26, 2017 21:08:11 GMT -6
Mike. I just joined three days ago. I am trying to get a gist of various people who do respond. I do not know what you meant by "What I saw here on this site was (unfortunately) more than discouragement." I wish I would have been here because I know and with every idea about a date that shows glory, I know that the primary characteristic of the Philadelphian Church from Revelation 3 is "Patience!". With that I had one morning Sunday morning the 24th when I stayed home from church. My Watchers Lives Matter moment. After that, went back at it. Back to church back in the Word. Mike, are you suggesting that I for instance, should not post about a date because the general capacity of the readers here is that they will be harmed if the suggestion is incorrect? Seeing the responses so far I am thinking that perhaps not posting anymore is probably what I should do. Do you agree?
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Post by mike on Nov 26, 2017 21:22:22 GMT -6
Dennis... There were several folks from 9/23 to about 10/12 or so who are no longer here. Downcast would be a mild way to describe some of their feelings. Perhaps they battle depression or physical pain and were so convinced that would end, then when it didn't their faith was shaken.
Should you post here? You are absolutely welcome to do so and share your research. With that I would ask for caution in pointing to a date for reasons mentioned.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm alluding to you or anyone stop looking at a date/dates. I would love for you to be wrong and go home tomorrow. If not then Dec 31 is great too! But come Jan 1 assuming we're still here, I am not in favor of a replay of 6 weeks back. I do not want to see our brothers and sisters go through similar pains (again).
I know you weren't on the forum, so it's hard to relate to what happened here (perhaps other places too). Again please post away but also consider those who are reading along not commenting or participating.
Edit-i will add that many have now taken the position of watching the signs rather than dates. For example keeping an eye on Israel and what is transpiring in the middle East.
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 26, 2017 22:14:49 GMT -6
Thanks Mike I get your point. I've thought about it a bit. Hmmm. I would not want to participate to cause another...emotional crash. Although, uncomfortably, the vision of millenials at colleges needing safe places to scream and color because something did not happen the way they wanted comes to mind...but only for a second. And, I agree. We need to and should look around at what is happening in the world. There is a lot. For instance, I have listened to Farag, Haller, Charlie at Superior Word, Merkel, Chrone, Imir Ts (?last name) without fail for years. What they look at as they look around is amazing. I love their reports in general, for the limited thing they do and do VERY WELL. They look AROUND and show how those things indicate a trending thread of prophecy. Each one of them however, admits, in their own words somehow, and usually at least once a week, that they do not "look up" (as Jesus commanded), though Farag at one time was at least "intrigued" about the Rev 12 sign, as last I heard. Tell me if I am wrong about their current philosophy of reporting prophecy: "When these things begin to happen look even more intently at those things which are getting worse because you know they began to happen a while before and they will probably get worse and worse before I come and look they are getting worse and worse and so my return must be near!" No wait! Jesus said, "When these things begin to happen Look UP!" Looking up is dangerous. Hah! As an uncle my motto for my nephews and nieces was "More Danger More Fun." I have been waiting for September 23, 2017 for years. I looked up but it was cloudy where I was so I didn't see it but as a Greek seeking wisdom, that did it for me. Before I leave it as a sign I think I am going to WEAR IT OUT. I hope you don't mind. I waited too long for that sign. So after a sign how long do you wait? 3, days, 7 days, 40 days, 50 days, 70 days, 77 days, 99days, 120 days, 360 days? Years...I considered them all. If that day was a sign then we are simply looking for the distance between the sign and the offramp. I simply think God gave that measurement of time in Leviticus 23:15 and 16, but if it is beyond, the Philadelphian Church will have patience. I have successfully done this before. It it is before MARAHATHA!
However, I know if this idea I have presented does not catch on here it is not of the Lord. Today I went to a new church. It was recommended by a friend who said he and his wife worshipped there. I went, heard a good sermon from a young pastor, and as I waited to see if I could see my friend I started talking to a guy who introduced me to the founding pastor of the church. He asked my name, and heard and saw a resemblance and he asked me if my dad was D...W.... I said "yes" and we found out that he went to Bible School with my dad back in 1950 and 1951 at Billy Graham's school, Northwestern I think. Both my dad and he continued to be pastors. Well Minneapolis was where I was born when my dad was there in school. So today I stayed to listen to the elder pastor teach a class and it was good. I learned something new about the descendants of Jacob. He asked questions and allowed questions and he talked of how important it was that "iron sharpens iron." So I stayed after to talk to him and in that conversation I asked him if he knew anything about the Revelation 12 sign. Mind you, he was a graduate from BG's school, then he went to Dallas Seminary, founded a church in about 1970 and now 47 years later teaches a Sunday School class at the same church. His response to my question, "Uhhh No. Never heard of a sign in Revelation." I started to tell him and he said, "Oh about the birth of Jesus."
That was what was discouraging. We have been given a sign and it is spectacular and if you even know of it SAINTS, YOU ARE BLESSED!!!
Hang on. Keep looking up and keep counting.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 26, 2017 22:17:33 GMT -6
Mike, what you have said is so true. In 2011 I stopped making my house payments while convinced that I had the correct date. Fortunately I saved my money and paid up my payments when my proposed date passed without event. I was simply tired of making payments and felt it was a good time to stop. However, I held over the money just in case I was wrong. What happens to the poor soul that stops making house payments and forgoes collecting the money just in case they are wrong; a sad state in deed.
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Post by chohouston on Nov 27, 2017 0:32:30 GMT -6
Thanks Mike I get your point. I've thought about it a bit. Hmmm. I would not want to participate to cause another...emotional crash. Although, uncomfortably, the vision of millenials at colleges needing safe places to scream and color because something did not happen the way they wanted comes to mind...but only for a second. And, I agree. We need to and should look around at what is happening in the world. There is a lot. For instance, I have listened to Farag, Haller, Charlie at Superior Word, Merkel, Chrone, Imir Ts (?last name) without fail for years. What they look at as they look around is amazing. I love their reports in general, for the limited thing they do and do VERY WELL. They look AROUND and show how those things indicate a trending thread of prophecy. Each one of them however, admits, in their own words somehow, and usually at least once a week, that they do not "look up" (as Jesus commanded), though Farag at one time was at least "intrigued" about the Rev 12 sign, as last I heard. Tell me if I am wrong about their current philosophy of reporting prophecy: "When these things begin to happen look even more intently at those things which are getting worse because you know they began to happen a while before and they will probably get worse and worse before I come and look they are getting worse and worse and so my return must be near!" No wait! Jesus said, "When these things begin to happen Look UP!" Looking up is dangerous. Hah! As an uncle my motto for my nephews and nieces was "More Danger More Fun." I have been waiting for September 23, 2017 for years. I looked up but it was cloudy where I was so I didn't see it but as a Greek seeking wisdom, that did it for me. Before I leave it as a sign I think I am going to WEAR IT OUT. I hope you don't mind. I waited too long for that sign. So after a sign how long do you wait? 3, days, 7 days, 40 days, 50 days, 70 days, 77 days, 99days, 120 days, 360 days? Years...I considered them all. If that day was a sign then we are simply looking for the distance between the sign and the offramp. I simply think God gave that measurement of time in Leviticus 23:15 and 16, but if it is beyond, the Philadelphian Church will have patience. I have successfully done this before. It it is before MARAHATHA! However, I know if this idea I have presented does not catch on here it is not of the Lord. Today I went to a new church. It was recommended by a friend who said he and his wife worshipped there. I went, heard a good sermon from a young pastor, and as I waited to see if I could see my friend I started talking to a guy who introduced me to the founding pastor of the church. He asked my name, and heard and saw a resemblance and he asked me if my dad was D...W.... I said "yes" and we found out that he went to Bible School with my dad back in 1950 and 1951 at Billy Graham's school, Northwestern I think. Both my dad and he continued to be pastors. Well Minneapolis was where I was born when my dad was there in school. So today I stayed to listen to the elder pastor teach a class and it was good. I learned something new about the descendants of Jacob. He asked questions and allowed questions and he talked of how important it was that "iron sharpens iron." So I stayed after to talk to him and in that conversation I asked him if he knew anything about the Revelation 12 sign. Mind you, he was a graduate from BG's school, then he went to Dallas Seminary, founded a church in about 1970 and now 47 years later teaches a Sunday School class at the same church. His response to my question, "Uhhh No. Never heard of a sign in Revelation." I started to tell him and he said, "Oh about the birth of Jesus." That was what was discouraging. We have been given a sign and it is spectacular and if you even know of it SAINTS, YOU ARE BLESSED!!! Hang on. Keep looking up and keep counting. Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine. I have been following this thread and I have no problems with dates. If it is wrong, we keep searching. I have a renewed relationship in Christ because of my personal search for this so I appreciate your work Dennis as it challenges me. I think we as believers need to stand up in faith and realize and not get disappointed if dates don't line up but simply use this time to share the gospel to more people. I do get Mike's point as well and seen alot of disappointed people after the 23rd but at the end of the day we need to keep going and seeking. There are a lot of lurkers around here and I pray that regardless of dates being missed, that does not change the fact that our Messiah is coming for us so please don't get discouraged!! ON a side note, I live in a busy city and it is incredible at how much Satan has a hold of this world. It's so easy to get sucked into it... The average detached house here is a million dollars now for a 1500 sq ft home so everyone is busy trying to make more money. The time is close, the church needs to stand up! Blessings |
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 27, 2017 0:52:03 GMT -6
Thanks Mike I get your point. I've thought about it a bit. Hmmm. I would not want to participate to cause another...emotional crash. Although, uncomfortably, the vision of millenials at colleges needing safe places to scream and color because something did not happen the way they wanted comes to mind...but only for a second. And, I agree. We need to and should look around at what is happening in the world. There is a lot. For instance, I have listened to Farag, Haller, Charlie at Superior Word, Merkel, Chrone, Imir Ts (?last name) without fail for years. What they look at as they look around is amazing. I love their reports in general, for the limited thing they do and do VERY WELL. They look AROUND and show how those things indicate a trending thread of prophecy. Each one of them however, admits, in their own words somehow, and usually at least once a week, that they do not "look up" (as Jesus commanded), though Farag at one time was at least "intrigued" about the Rev 12 sign, as last I heard. Tell me if I am wrong about their current philosophy of reporting prophecy: "When these things begin to happen look even more intently at those things which are getting worse because you know they began to happen a while before and they will probably get worse and worse before I come and look they are getting worse and worse and so my return must be near!" No wait! Jesus said, "When these things begin to happen Look UP!" Looking up is dangerous. Hah! As an uncle my motto for my nephews and nieces was "More Danger More Fun." I have been waiting for September 23, 2017 for years. I looked up but it was cloudy where I was so I didn't see it but as a Greek seeking wisdom, that did it for me. Before I leave it as a sign I think I am going to WEAR IT OUT. I hope you don't mind. I waited too long for that sign. So after a sign how long do you wait? 3, days, 7 days, 40 days, 50 days, 70 days, 77 days, 99days, 120 days, 360 days? Years...I considered them all. If that day was a sign then we are simply looking for the distance between the sign and the offramp. I simply think God gave that measurement of time in Leviticus 23:15 and 16, but if it is beyond, the Philadelphian Church will have patience. I have successfully done this before. It it is before MARAHATHA! However, I know if this idea I have presented does not catch on here it is not of the Lord. Today I went to a new church. It was recommended by a friend who said he and his wife worshipped there. I went, heard a good sermon from a young pastor, and as I waited to see if I could see my friend I started talking to a guy who introduced me to the founding pastor of the church. He asked my name, and heard and saw a resemblance and he asked me if my dad was D...W.... I said "yes" and we found out that he went to Bible School with my dad back in 1950 and 1951 at Billy Graham's school, Northwestern I think. Both my dad and he continued to be pastors. Well Minneapolis was where I was born when my dad was there in school. So today I stayed to listen to the elder pastor teach a class and it was good. I learned something new about the descendants of Jacob. He asked questions and allowed questions and he talked of how important it was that "iron sharpens iron." So I stayed after to talk to him and in that conversation I asked him if he knew anything about the Revelation 12 sign. Mind you, he was a graduate from BG's school, then he went to Dallas Seminary, founded a church in about 1970 and now 47 years later teaches a Sunday School class at the same church. His response to my question, "Uhhh No. Never heard of a sign in Revelation." I started to tell him and he said, "Oh about the birth of Jesus." That was what was discouraging. We have been given a sign and it is spectacular and if you even know of it SAINTS, YOU ARE BLESSED!!! Hang on. Keep looking up and keep counting. Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine. I have been following this thread and I have no problems with dates. If it is wrong, we keep searching. I have a renewed relationship in Christ because of my personal search for this so I appreciate your work Dennis as it challenges me. I think we as believers need to stand up in faith and realize and not get disappointed if dates don't line up but simply use this time to share the gospel to more people. I do get Mike's point as well and seen alot of disappointed people after the 23rd but at the end of the day we need to keep going and seeking. There are a lot of lurkers around here and I pray that regardless of dates being missed, that does not change the fact that our Messiah is coming for us so please don't get discouraged!! ON a side note, I live in a busy city and it is incredible at how much Satan has a hold of this world. It's so easy to get sucked into it... The average detached house here is a million dollars now for a 1500 sq ft home so everyone is busy trying to make more money. The time is close, the church needs to stand up! Blessings I am realizing there is a delicate balance here. Certainly more than I did before. I don't want to unstabilize something. Well stated chohouston! AND thanks for indicating you were challenged! That means a lot to me. Who knew there would be recipients for this info. People who would actually consider all the points. There have not been many but it is nice to know that there are those as yet who may have seen and are at least challenged. Maybe some are still in their process of bereaanizing something. I know that could take time. But your response will make me smile as I go to sleep and I go over the 14 reasons (+2) trying to figure out if any of the reasons are not probative of truth and should be kicked out of the list. So far it has only been DJ who has thought point #7 was specious. I kind of agreed with him and would have allowed that point to be expunged. Blessings Saints. Soon, confused, we rise. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 15:53:57 GMT -6
The test for whether this is actually accurate is to see if it resonates with Spirit-filled believers. If all were like you then I would know it was accurate. There have been a couple so far but not a ground swell. You know, I think the Holy Spirit really wants to go home too. And He wants to go home like Zamporini not that Olympic long jump skier that barely made it to the threshold. If the Holy Spirit sees something that resonates it will cause the believer to resonate also. Let's see what happens in a week or two. As for me, I have not been dissuaded as yet. Here is what I will soon hear..."This theory is not hermeneutically accurate!" Yeah, that's what I am expecting to hear. Oh well. Still, I do not think I will be deterred. Blessings and thanks for your encouragement witness1. Putting "A DATE" Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Up on unsealed.org is kind of ....idio.....craz....brav...dumb...unless...it....makes se Soon, in any event, yup, we will rise and shine. Hi Den, I like your analysis. I know the work that you have put into this. I think the greater point is that we are right on top of the rapture and we all know it. That is why we are here. We are looking for the Savior because we know it is time. It is like the apostles looking for the Savior and saying "We have found the Messias" (John 1:41). They knew it was time. I like the Dec. 31 date that you have discovered and would like to add that I found Dec. 28th through a different means of analysis. My date; however, was weak and your date is solid. I also found a secondary date in March related to the first date in December. Thus, I think your date might be a precursor to a March event; thus, harmonizing to Social's findings. My take on the rapture is that an event occurs forcing the saints into their homes. This is a Passover. Then the rapture takes place some 50 days later. Thus, my March date is also weak and the secondary event, the rapture, could come in Feb. At any rate, the December date in my mind is the critical event. The rapture is secondary to that first event. Or rather, the rapture is the Savior's response to something that has happened. That is why he is taking his people out of harms way. Thus, I am absolutely confident in your Dec. 31 date. Things will heat up, so hang on. We are right on top of this thing and the Savior is in charge of it. Just exactly how it unfolds is anybody's guess but it begins on Dec. 31. Or, rather, my fingers are crossed that it begins on Dec. 31st and am confident that it will. I just have to keep clicking my heals together: "I want to go home, I just want to go home." I will take a closer look at your analysis and prove it for myself. Thank you for sharing it with me. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 3, 2017 15:07:19 GMT -6
APOLOGY!!! I owe many on unsealed.org an apology. I was new to the system here when I first posted. I put the article in a lot of threads and I see now that I should not have done that. I loved that I was able to get the article up and that some at least began to read it. Though I had joy that some were now reading the article I responded poorly to those who gave initial negative reports. I apologize to you who may have been insulted at some of the things I wrote as I responded to comments. I apologize to other members for my replying to comments in a way that resulted in division. This embarrasses me. I apologize to the many guests who may have seen that and were embarrassed for Christians. For those of you who believe in a Feast of Trumpets rapture I am sorry that I was short with you all. I realize now, that if one holds to a Feast of Trumpets rapture, EVERY POINT, in my article would be nonsense and would need to be attacked and any truth there shown to be error. I now know that such a response should have been anticipated by me. I did not. I thought I was bringing hope and instead I kept wondering why all the negativity about the article so I started to pound back at times with negativity. I should not have done that. I am sorry and I repent. Saints! Please accept my apology. What I took as bruises in the comments have been healed. I understand now that if you have a different view of the end times, there will be criticism of this idea I have presented and I should have anticipated the FOT folk and others who have a whole different set of theological ideas than I. I am now dennislwatson version 2.0. I am not mad and really never was. I still like to crack jokes and laugh at inconsistency and especially my own AND now I know I am relying on you to point those inconsistencies out. As far as arguing goes, I do attack ideas that I think are wrong. I am a lawyer. I hate that about me. I argue points to conclusion, and that in addition to teaching an adult Sunday School class for 20 years, which was very interactive and fun, I enjoy a good banter. I am going to try and teach rather than attack ideas now. Saints, I have posted a revised version of my article about the “14 Reasons Why Watchers should Keep Their Eyes on December 31, 2017”. Since I kept finding other reasons I renamed the article THE SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF SEPTEMBER 23, 2017 so that I can continue to add if there is new Daniel 12:4 knowledge that comes our way. Folks, it was a GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN and we are supposed to be counting. I am content with the arrangement of points in the article now. Some who did not like the arrangement of reasons in the article were entirely correct. I did not arrange. It was a mishmash. It is less so now. Hope you like it. Now, even if you disagree, your disagreement will be made clearer. I attached it to the beginning post of this thread. It is also attached and downloadable at fivedoves.com. The one on unsealed can be revised as I am made aware of mistakes and as people connect me with new reasons. The fivedoves one gets updated once a week. Blessings Saints. Soon we Rise and Shine. Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/1222/last-day-lazarus-pentecost-connected#ixzz50EaBDjdV |
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