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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 17, 2017 0:04:28 GMT -6
Thank you Mr.Watson! Please have a look and if you find more verses like these, please add on to it! Because some verses I might have missed, didn't speak to me, or I didn't understand.
I actually struggled with going and looking because I would be concerned had there been nothing there. I delayed...then finally I looked.
krnboitae! Go look at these Psalms and see if you see what I see! Psalm 99, Psalm 100, Psalm 101.
I would never have seen that connection but for re-reading my response to what you said above. Blessings. |
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 17, 2017 1:35:43 GMT -6
If He can do it once ( Psalm 123:1 ) or twice ( John 12:31 ) then why can't He do it a hundred times! or ninety-nine! Hah!
I actually struggled with going and looking because I would be concerned had there been nothing there. I delayed...then finally I looked.
krnboitae! Go look at these Psalms and see if you see what I see! Psalm 99, Psalm 100, Psalm 101.
I would never have seen that connection but for re-reading my response to what you said above. Blessings.Hi Mr. Watson, I just read Psalm 99,100, and 101. I see the same thing as what you see. Psalm 99 = Rapture with earthquake in all nations Psalm 100 = Entering the heaven Psalm 101 = Judgement for the left behind 2 more weeks left until 12/31! I feel like my heart is going to explode with joy! I have been trying to evangelize everyday and continue to do it until 12/31. Not much time is left. See you soon! |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 17, 2017 9:40:02 GMT -6
Exactly! Thank You!
You and I could have said to each other, "Well done grasshopper!"
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 17, 2017 14:20:05 GMT -6
Two times that Jesus refers to about what times would be like when we ought to be thinking about an escape... the time of Noah, & the time of Lot, Two times when "escape" occurs. Two times when fifty is mentioned. #1 with Noah's ark (as in the days of Noah) fifty cubits, continuing the theme is #2 the first salvo out of the Father's mouth as He begins negotiations with Abraham (of all people...why Abraham? Think! Think! Child of Abraham by faith who have been declared righteous, think why now fifty, when discussing saving the righteous relatives of Abraham in Sodom (as in the days of Sodom) is mentioned. Two escapes, two fifties connected by an escape) ... is Abraham telling us something of the escape of a distant generation of Abraham's relatives? hmmmm Blessings Saints. Doesn't matter how you get there as long as we all get there together.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 17, 2017 14:32:23 GMT -6
Stick around. I will be conducting a new poll AFTER December 21 in fact, Lord willing, on December 22. I must know if something happens to the collective body of the Church somewhere in the world on or after December 21, 2017 to honor the Church of Smyrna. Tribulation for them, apparently, begins 10 days prior to the date for everyone else after December 31, 2017. Just a speculation.
Blessings.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 17, 2017 18:02:38 GMT -6
God gave me the count first. On November 19th, 2017 is when I discovered that THE SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017 stated a count indicating it should be completed for the first time this year in Leviticus 23: 15 & 16. Finishing the count I was surprised to see that it ended with day 99 (a connected double blessing of 50) on December 31, 2017. I thought people on unsealed should see this. I then saw a post of krnboitae about the virgo sign and a count ending on December 31, 2017. We came to the same conclusion from different directions but our positions are merging by the grace of God. And others as well.
When I got the count and then found that it ended on the LAST DAY of the year, that immediately thought about Martha and Lazarus, and the statement about "THE LAST DAY" (of the count?) but it also brought into the equation information that I knew of our grandfather Enoch.
I have read the book which is attributed to Enoch. The chapters dealing with the courses of the stars in such a detailed manner that we, today, cannot comprehend without significant cognitive dissonance. I know Jude quoted Enoch with respect to the day of our Lord's glorious return to take possession of and rule over earth! He knows that day! Why would he not know his parallel experience people who will also experience a rapture and not dying.
I will not agree with anyone attempting to tell me that Enoch did not know or could not have known at some point that the reason that God took him at the year 365 of his life was to give his distant grandchildren a hint as to what day of the very special year of 2017 (the year that had HIS SIGN....HIS SECOND RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017) they should look forward to being raptured LIKE HE WAS! MAKE HIM SMILE, SAINTS! Let him enjoy it. His name means "teacher" and he will really enjoy you getting it.
I will bet that at some point Enoch figured it out and talked to the Lord God and said, "Hey there Lord God" Amen! I was doing some calculations and I see that special thing you got going in the stars in what will be that year 2017!, You wanna tell me about it? That is quite a display" I know this. I like to teach and I love it when people get it. If you don't think grandfather Enoch is pleased or will be (you sticklers) that you are making the connection of getting raptured and the number 365, I think you really are not taking the Bible literally enough, or even metaphorically enough. There is joy there.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Dec 18, 2017 8:44:12 GMT -6
God gave me the count first. On November 19th, 2017 is when I discovered that THE SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017 stated a count indicating it should be completed for the first time this year in Leviticus 23: 15 & 16. Finishing the count I was surprised to see that it ended with day 99 (a connected double blessing of 50) on December 31, 2017. I thought people on unsealed should see this. I then saw a post of krnboitae about the virgo sign and a count ending on December 31, 2017. We came to the same conclusion from different directions but our positions are merging by the grace of God. And others as well.
When I got the count and then found that it ended on the LAST DAY of the year, that immediately thought about Martha and Lazarus, and the statement about "THE LAST DAY" (of the count?) but it also brought into the equation information that I knew of our grandfather Enoch.
I have read the book which is attributed to Enoch. The chapters dealing with the courses of the stars in such a detailed manner that we, today, cannot comprehend without significant cognitive dissonance. I know Jude quoted Enoch with respect to the day of our Lord's glorious return to take possession of and rule over earth! He knows that day! Why would he not know his parallel experience people who will also experience a rapture and not dying.
I will not agree with anyone attempting to tell me that Enoch did not know or could not have known at some point that the reason that God took him at the year 365 of his life was to give his distant grandchildren a hint as to what day of the very special year of 2017 (the year that had HIS SIGN....HIS SECOND RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017) they should look forward to being raptured LIKE HE WAS! MAKE HIM SMILE, SAINTS! Let him enjoy it. His name means "teacher" and he will really enjoy you getting it.
I will bet that at some point Enoch figured it out and talked to the Lord God and said, "Hey there Lord God" Amen! I was doing some calculations and I see that special thing you got going in the stars in what will be that year 2017!, You wanna tell me about it? That is quite a display" I know this. I like to teach and I love it when people get it. If you don't think grandfather Enoch is pleased or will be (you sticklers) that you are making the connection of getting raptured and the number 365, I think you really are not taking the Bible literally enough, or even metaphorically enough. There is joy there.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine. Canonical and authorship issues of Enoch aside, why would we be interesting in pleasing Enoch? He is just a man like the rest of us, a blessed man, but a man none the less. Should we be looking to please God and God only? |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 18, 2017 9:15:59 GMT -6
Because we are related to Enoch and any father or grandfather wants good for his children, as I do mine, and when my children appear in heaven it will please me that they are pleasing God and if they are pleased that I am pleased that takes nothing away from God and love for Him. Love grows. Love accepts. Love is important says John. I kind of look forward to pleasing my God fearing relatives who all their lives wanted me to grow in Him. Sorry that I could not write this idea in a way that encouraged your heart. I find it interesting that even the rich man in the story of the rich man and Lazarus wanted to go back and make sure his relatives would be pleasing to God. He wan't able to go back and give the warning. I think the righteous relatives will have joy at us being together. I look forward to that.
Blessings.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 18, 2017 11:45:11 GMT -6
I printed out a couple 74 page printouts of my article (first post of this thread revised 2 days ago) and took it to Church with me yesterday. I wanted to give it to my pastor because the Lord has compelled me to do that in the Churches where I have a current heart connection. I delivered another to another church after this episode. I had ministered at that last church for decades. I would love it if a church considered establishing rules for church operation the day after the rapture. Or even giving membership an announcement after the services next week like this,
"Saints, enjoy this last week of 2017. We know we are in the last days. Some believers have seen the possibility of the end of a count rapture on December 31, 2017. It could be it might not be. But if it happened, wouldn't it be important for you to end your year pursuing your relationship with God? Love more this week Saints. Hold your kids tight. Get close with God. Be ready to tell others about this Lord who promised to prepare you a mansion and come and bring you to the perfection of His throne."
Anyway, after the service was complete, the pastor and his wife were up front and I thought I would give the article to the pastor's wife and I would let her give it to him. But at the same time the other person the pastor was talking to ended the conversation and so I caught his eye. We have talked before. He knows I am a "date setter" because I had told him about the 50 day and 99 day Pentecost count from First Fruits back in April. That was well before I understood the Pentecost count in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 could start from the SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017. I look at counts. I told him yesterday that I had been given an insight about the termination of the Pentecost Season. Then, bless his heart, his Pavlovian tendencies as a teacher and pastor come out and he barked, "Pentecost was a one time event. It is over!" I then asked, "Pentecost was a harvest feast, when was the harvest of Pentecost?" then ...he paused...he then asked me, "What do you mean?" And then he took my article and mumbled something about "iron sharpens iron." The "harvest of Pentecost" stumped him and then I knew, he is a teacher but he is not a watcher watching for the harvest. He knows that Pentecost started the Church but he does not know that Pentecost will terminate with a harvest. He knows the end is near but he does not, as Jesus commanded, look up. He said as we concluded our conversation that we needed to get together and we would "Have lunch after the first of the year!" I laughed, and said "O.K. That's fine...a little late!" but I laughed, and then thought, "How about a wedding feast instead of lunch." He took possession of my article. Don't know if he will read it.
As the pastor, concluded his sermon on Jonah he talked about the 120,000 men of Nineveh that were saved. The pastor had just spent 5 weeks on Jonah. Did he mention that Jesus said that the men of Nineveh would rise and condemn those of that "evil generation" (the post rapture world) because they did not repent and the men of Nineveh had less information than those now who refuse Jesus and who will miss the rapture at the end of the Pentecost count. No! Did the pastor indicate that the 120,000 Men of Nineveh who were saved, is a picture of the 120 disciples who were the initial 120 Christians ever to exist and who would be raptured, and when they were that was when the men of Nineveh would speak again. No. The 120,000 is a connection to Pentecost. He did not see it because he is not watching for the season of Pentecost to end with the rapture. Of course it will.
This pastor is a great expositor of the Word. I truly do love him and he does have a pastor's heart for people. But, until you get the feasts right, and Revelation right, and Leviticus right, especially AFTER SEMINARY, the ability to see and encourage with prophetic truth is going to be hampered.
So many preachers will not bring their congregations, the dear Saints over which they have been appointed as shepherds, the comfort of Scriptural truth that reveals that truly, "God will do nothing but that He tells His prophets first." God has told the prophets. Enoch, Noah, Moses, Jonah, John, Paul... the news of the rapture is there. It is the Glory of God to conceal this info and only revealed to patient watchers who will look up, and acknowledge that God is true and every man a liar.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 18, 2017 13:17:08 GMT -6
M't:24:20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:Yesterday night, I asked God why did you tell us to pray that our flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. Because 12/31 is winter and on Sunday. Today at church, pastor's sermon was on Hebrew 4:11-13. Heb:4:11: Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Heb:4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb:4:13: Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. And I found a verse about winter. Proverb:20:4: The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing.
Basically, Jesus was telling us not to slack off or be disobedient if we want to get raptured at harvest. M't:24:36: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Jesus didn't know the rapture date yet when he said this. But he prophetically hinted that rapture was going to be in winter and on a Sunday by saying don't slack off and be disobedient. what exactly do you mean by "if we want to get raptured at harvest"? Your statement adds a qualifier identified by the "if" we're not slack. Is that correct? How does one measure a level of slackness for one watcher compared to another? Or perhaps those christians who believe but arent watching (or watchers in particular)? I don't think Teddy was indicating that a slack person who fails to do the very last, last step (watch for the rapture) will not be saved. I think he was suggesting the sluggard does not even engage in step 1. No seed is planted. That is essential. If the sluggard has no seed he will not participate in the harvest. Simple as that. Blessings. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 18, 2017 13:56:20 GMT -6
M't:24:20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:Yesterday night, I asked God why did you tell us to pray that our flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. Because 12/31 is winter and on Sunday. Today at church, pastor's sermon was on Hebrew 4:11-13. Heb:4:11: Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Heb:4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb:4:13: Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. And I found a verse about winter. Proverb:20:4: The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing.
Basically, Jesus was telling us not to slack off or be disobedient if we want to get raptured at harvest. M't:24:36: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Jesus didn't know the rapture date yet when he said this. But he prophetically hinted that rapture was going to be in winter and on a Sunday by saying don't slack off and be disobedient. I think you are taking Matthew 24:20 out of context, this is a reference to the AOD in the middle of the tribulation. If you read the next verse you will see why Jesus was instructing the Jews to pray it doesn't take place on the Sabbath or winter, it's because there will be great distress at those times. It's not a verse pointing to the rapture at all. As for Proverbs 20:4, you will see the only reference to winter or cold relates to plowing - the harvest would come later, I do not believe there is any harvest in Israel in winter. In addition to the above, I have the same questions as mike in his previous post.
This harvest will be a unique harvest. It won't be just in Israel. It will be over the whole earth and God calls those left behind "earth-dwellers", not Israel dwellers. The Gentile harvest is a world-wide event and God actually told us to expect the unexpected. No harvest like this HAS EVER OCCURRED in Israel. Not yet. But it may be initiated there at the very end of the day as the count ends.
Some wish to see the harvest at a time they expect. At one of the established Feasts of the Lord perhaps. The termination of the Season of Pentecost does not have to occur, until God wants to stop growing the Gentile Church. All those gentiles identified when Pentecost started, it is a gentile themed Divine Appointment. It was at the beginning. It will be at the end. Could be anytime. Could be in winter. Not dependent upon a season. Good work krnboitae.
Krnboitae. You need to be precise in you statement of what Scripture says or there will be those here who will misunderstand and it will cause a reaction because you may have misstated a favorite doctrine of theirs. Your use of the "sluggard" is a great find. Sluggards don't plant. No planted seed and probably he has no seed. In fact a sluggard did not even allow the seed of his own self to die. Jesus said that was a requirement for profitability, a seed has to die first and be planted. The sluggard does not do that. A dying seed, that's what Jesus was at the cross and He promised a great harvest from that very event (death and resurrection) WHICH HAS NOT YET OCCURRED.
Look at His explanation when the 2 Gentiles approached Philip about wanting to see Jesus before he had had a chance to die for the gentiles. Jesus had to die first then that dead seed comes alive and by the laws of seed planting and growth the field continues until it is ripe for harvest and then after that the harvest of Gentiles would come, so Jesus did not even want to talk with the gentiles until a way could be made for their salvation and that was what He was focused on.
Many Christians are not watching (or so afraid of watching again because they might focus on the wrong date) and Jesus knew they would not and so He said that His coming for them would be like the coming of a thief in the night. They are not sluggards, mostly they are just damaged, confused and afraid. Jesus never said to a believer, if you don't watch you are out. In fact by what he said about the sleeping Saints not watching where He comes as a thief, He confirms the opposite. They are still taken saints. They will still be gathered. They will just wish that they had made their heart ready. They will wish they had spent time with the Psalms of Ascent. Watching is simply obedience to the commands of Jesus. I have learned this about disobedience...one suffers loss. So minimize disobedience.
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Post by yardstick on Dec 18, 2017 21:14:29 GMT -6
Two times that Jesus refers to about what times would be like when we ought to be thinking about an escape... the time of Noah, & the time of Lot, Two times when "escape" occurs. Two times when fifty is mentioned. #1 with Noah's ark (as in the days of Noah) fifty cubits, continuing the theme is #2 the first salvo out of the Father's mouth as He begins negotiations with Abraham (of all people...why Abraham? Think! Think! Child of Abraham by faith who have been declared righteous, think why now fifty, when discussing saving the righteous relatives of Abraham in Sodom (as in the days of Sodom) is mentioned. Two escapes, two fifties connected by an escape) ... is Abraham telling us something of the escape of a distant generation of Abraham's relatives? hmmmm Blessings Saints. Doesn't matter how you get there as long as we all get there together.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine!Is Psalm 101 the verse you intended to put in here? biblehub.com/niv/psalms/101.htmI don't see any chaos and destruction in this Psalm. I do see David stating his policy (as king) for how he will deal with certain people (evildoers) with regard to his kingdom/house/city (of the Lord). Verse 8 in particular is difficult for me to reconcile with your statement (regarding the post-harpazo Tribulation); since, if all the wicked in the land (earth?) are silenced (killed?) each morning, there will not be any evildoers to populate the earth after the first day of the Tribulation. Can you please explain this? |
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Post by yardstick on Dec 18, 2017 21:21:09 GMT -6
Two times that Jesus refers to about what times would be like when we ought to be thinking about an escape... the time of Noah, & the time of Lot, Two times when "escape" occurs. Two times when fifty is mentioned. #1 with Noah's ark (as in the days of Noah) fifty cubits, continuing the theme is #2 the first salvo out of the Father's mouth as He begins negotiations with Abraham (of all people...why Abraham? Think! Think! Child of Abraham by faith who have been declared righteous, think why now fifty, when discussing saving the righteous relatives of Abraham in Sodom (as in the days of Sodom) is mentioned. Two escapes, two fifties connected by an escape) ... is Abraham telling us something of the escape of a distant generation of Abraham's relatives? hmmmm Blessings Saints. Doesn't matter how you get there as long as we all get there together.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine!Also, I see in Psalm 99 what appears to be the Lord reigning from Mount Zion during the Millennium? biblehub.com/niv/psalms/99.htmIf the middle 50 verses in Psalms ends with the harpazo/rapture, and following that a tribulation, then millennium; how can the Lord be reigning on earth as described in the Chapter 99 passage, prior to those events? |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 18, 2017 21:31:37 GMT -6
Yes. All, if you wish, can be used to show nothing. I guess that is how it works. In the beam out of the beam. You are right. I see that now stepping out of the beam. Thank you.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 19, 2017 7:54:43 GMT -6
This was a portion of the article DOES SCRIPTURE SUPPORT A PENTECOST RAPTURE by Tramm:
"CONCLUSION AND SUMMARY
In this study we have highlighted numerous scriptural elements (themes, types, and links) that support a Pentecost Rapture. We noted how Pentecost is one of three harvest feasts; how a number of typological
passages point to the spring/summer season; how the numbers of Pentecost (forty-nine and fifty) denote fullness, or completion.
One of the most important Pentecost-rapture associations was that of the “wedding,” via Sinai. It’s noteworthy that no similar association exists in the case of the Feast of Trumpets. In fact, the only event Trumpets is directly linked to in Scripture is the rebuilding of the Temple altar and reinstatement of sacrifice that occurred upon the Jews’ return from Babylonian exile (Ezra 3:1-6).
An especially eyebrow-raising portion of our study was that which focused on the shared “template” (numbers and themes) between Pentecost and the Jubilee. The notion of a “fifty within a fifty” and “ultimate completion” raised some intriguing questions about the prophetic significance of the Pentecost occurring within a final jubilee year.
With the above and other observations presented here in mind, questions like the following arise:
Is it possible that Christians who study the ancient festivals have been too quick in assuming Pentecost is fulfilled, making the feast next in line (Trumpets) the Rapture feast?
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I love his conclusion above in red. We are dealing with a fifty within a fifty, we are dealing with an ultimate completion to a feast that has not completed with a harvest yet. I happen to think that this is a jubilee year, 1917, 1967 and 2017. Christians will experience a Jubilee at end of 2017. Israel will not. However, after the Tribulation, the most concentrated efforts will be made to bring the Land of Israel up to snuff so that when the Jubilee of 2067 occurs, the land will be totally occupied by Israel, and then the land will be ready for the real first Jubilee of the Millennium period. The land will revert in ownership to the tribes. I think THAT will be a PARTAY.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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