The Restoration of All Things
Nov 10, 2017 15:55:06 GMT -6
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The Restoration of All Things - Introduction
Note: This thread could greatly offend you, but it could also show you God in a way you always wanted to see Him, but could not because of what you have been taught. Currently, I have permission from the moderators to start this thread, I do so in submission to their leadership of this forum and will stop anytime they ask me to.
Note: I have created a pdf version of what this thread contains. This way you can download it directly upfront. I have not signed my name to the document. It is not copyrighted. I have no problem with anyone distributing it, copying it, etc. It is not mine - it is yours. May His Name be Lifted High through the spreading of the Gospel of Peace!
I am going to lay out a foundation to start. This way, whenever you feel like I am saying something that goes against the foundation - you can come back to these foundation statements and know that this is my firm foundation.
Foundational Statements:
* Without Jesus - nothing is possible:
* Without Jesus Christ - there is no salvation.
* Without Jesus Christ - there is no life.
* Without Jesus Christ - the physical creation ceases to exist.
* I do not believe the doctrines taught by most versions of Universalism.
* I am not part of any church or belief system that can be named or defined by reading some documents • As with any set of beliefs, there may be overlap in areas that I belief. But you should not group me in with others just because one thing I say agrees with one thing they say.
* I am not the only one who believes some of the things i believe
* I have taught others who believe.
* Others have taught me.
* I have spoken to several in person and seen them online.
Some of what I will say will sound condescending and you may feel a natural tendency to be defensive. If you were sitting with me right now, you could look into my eyes and know that I mean this with humble love. But sometimes, things need to be said even though, on the surface, they appear disagreeable. Reading it on the page does not reveal my true spirit.
There is never a good place to start when beginning to share what I have come to understand over the last 16 years. I have taught on this subject several times and each time I choose a different approach. I guess the point is, I have written a lot on this topic - but I have never established any clear order and / or approach to my writings.
Some people aren’t interested in learning and are simply trying to prove me wrong. Others truly are willing to learn, but are held back by the immense weight of their current belief system. We have come a long way since the reformation, but unfortunately, even in our protestant churches, we are still captivated by a false image of God. I have come to understand this and realize that I cannot convince anyone. I am simply presenting what I believe God has allowed me to understand. I know how that sounds. One could say that perhaps it is my eyes that need opening. And of course that could be true, that is my constant prayer to the Lord. Until He shows me otherwise, I would contest that that is exactly what happened, 16 years ago - and it changed my life!
Perhaps a little history will get us started....
I was raised under a strict Baptist upbringing. I was in church as long as I can remember. Memorizing scripture since I was a little boy. Asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior at 5 years old. And it was real to me. I read scripture, studied scripture, memorized scripture, etc...
In school I would carry a bible around with me. Eventually, I went to a Christian school from 6th to 12th grade. More bible, more chapel, more God. As a youth, I lost friends because I would not do the naughty things with them that they wanted me to. So they lost interest in me. I was sold on Christ. I wasn’t just believing what I was taught - I was discovering truths about God on my own as well. Throughout my whole life, up until 1998, I was building an apologetic wall of defense for the things I believed. I could justify my beliefs and explain them to anyone willing to listen. And I was zealous about it all. I kept asking God for more. I wanted to be closer to him. I wanted to hear him. I wanted to really know him. This was a continual prayer of mine.
In 1998, something started to change. As I studied scripture and continued to pray that God would draw me nearer to him, I began to bump up against the doctrinal walls that I had so carefully built over the 33 years of my life so far. Nothing too concerning, but it was clear that God was working with me though I did not realize it at the time. Whenever I would talk to my friends and bring up something I had learned in scripture which challenged the “acceptable” beliefs - just to ask them their thoughts - I would be met with anger or fear over even the simplest of things. I didn’t take it too far and my wall remained intact.
In 2000, my family left Seattle and the Microsoft lifestyle and moved to rural Missouri to start a home for unwed mothers - to be used as an alternative to abortion. God was clearly working in our lives and was setting us up for new things to happen. I won’t bore you with all the details, but our lives during the next couple years were being bombarded with incredible acts of God. By 2001, we were holding regular fireside meetings with friends. We had lots of fun in fellowship and singing and worship and prayer. Great times!
One evening, after the sun had gone down, we sat by the fire overlooking the pond. The frogs and crickets were croaking and chirping, the stars were shining overhead and most of the people had left. There were only two families remaining. It was our house, so we were there. My friend and I had been talking for quite some time. He would say something, I would comment or ask a question. He'd answer. Then I’d say something. He’d ask a question or comment. I’d answer. This had been going on for some time. At a point in the conversation, I began to feel a sensation filling me. It was like being really excited. It was like the dawning light. It was like a warm bath after coming in from playing in the snow. We were discussing salvation, predestination, heaven, repentance, and stuff like that. I don’t remember the exact words that were spoken, but I will never forget the moment. My friend had just said something, and it exploded inside me. I looked up at him, his face lit only by the fire and said, “But that would mean,....everybody is saved.” Even as I said it, I knew it was true. Even as I am typing this now, I feel the same joy and trembling as I did then.
As the words were coming out of my mouth, my spirit leapt for joy! When I finished speaking, I believed. I had just met the God I had been crying out to for years. He revealed himself to me next to a fire, overlooking a pond, in the middle of a hot summer night deep in the heart of rural Missouri. And he had brought me to that place at that time just for that purpose.
My friend said nothing. He had already come to this belief years earlier. He was grinning as he watched me come to know God in a whole new way. Scripture flooded into my mind and I laughed as I suddenly, not just understood, but believed. My God truly IS an Awesome God!!
I cannot tell this story without crying and praising God. I cannot help but call out in thanks to him for who he is, but also for opening my eyes and letting me see Him. I will never be able to fully explain the experience. Perhaps this is what new believers experience when they come to understand what Jesus has done for them. Being “saved from birth” basically, I just always new Jesus - but in that moment - I truly knew just how much I didn’t know and I absolutely fell in love with Him.
I woke up the next morning laughing and crying in joy. Suddenly, so much made sense. The words had always been in the scriptures, but I had been taught how to not believe them. Verses that Christianity had long since learned how to ignore or explain away were now clear. But still, I had 36 years of bricks in the wall of my belief system that claimed this God, that I now believed in, was not real. I needed to test everything with Scripture. I needed to understand how to explain this to others. I needed to tear down the wall.
The next 7 years, I poured hours upon hours into this study. I researched both sides of every argument. I talked to many friends. I read many books, I studied Greek and Hebrew. I studied scripture. Sometimes I was shown things directly from the Spirit sometimes truth was revealed after much prayer and study. After 7 years of this, I was amazed at the tapestry scripture weaves in support of the new things God had revealed to me. I was stunned at how much Christianity chooses to ignore, to explain away, or to simply not believe. Through the years, I was shown many more truths about God’s plan that had not been apparent that first night.
By 2009, I had shared my findings with several families, and some began to see God the way He had revealed himself to me. Others, did not. I continue to this day to study and research. I continue to cry out to God to reveal himself to me and to draw me near to him. I am not saying that the last 16 years couldn’t have all been a great deception. But I am saying, that for years I have poured heart and soul into seeking God on these issues and many more. I believe I have heard every argument that can be made against what I have come to know. I came from the same belief system that I am now debating. I was born into it and knew it by heart. I understand the argument against. But each falls down when light is shed on it.
This isn’t just a small difference. It impacts all of scripture and all of the Christian walk. It is so embedded in scripture that one can barely read any portion that does not speak of it. It isn’t just that maybe God saves everyone - HE MUST SAVE EVERYONE! This isn’t an issue about one aspect of who God is - this is the very point of who He is. God will be victorious and his Word will not return in vain! This isn’t something, where I find myself wondering, “Hmmm, I wonder if God is gonna save everyone. Could go either way.” No, this is something that I know and it is the entire point of God’s plan and it is shouted throughout scripture. It is not an intellectual idea - it is a spiritual reality.
For years, God had me only sharing this with small groups of people I knew well, but I also knew the day would come when he would release me to share it on a larger scale. I believe this day is now. As kingdoms crumble around us and the age comes to a close - this message of restoration will begin to ring throughout the land. I am not the only one who believes and teaches these things. There are others doing the same thing in their local settings and some much more globally.
Like me, many of you have grown up with a strong Christian influence that has allowed you to build a wall of defense around your belief system. My initial goal, will be to provide you with the tools necessary to chip away at that wall. I know initially, you might be thinking, “Why would I want to do that? The wall is what protects me from false teachings!” Well, yes, it does. But it also keeps you from true teachings.
Please allow me to illustrate this point:
When Jesus came into this world, there was a religious system established that was, at the time, the “religion” established by God. Of course over time, that religion did what all religions do. It became corrupt. It began teaching falseness. And over time, this corruption and false teaching became accepted as part of the religion. This happened so much so that the true and earnest followers of God did not recognize Him when He stood right in front of them. They did not recognize their Messiah when we fulfilled the very scriptures they had studied their whole life. They did not see him for who he was even while he was saving them from their sin right in front of their eyes. Even his devout followers did not fully understand these things!
Nowadays, as believers, we catch ourselves mocking the Hebrew people as they came out from Egypt. “How could they build a golden calf after he parted the sea!?” We mock the religious Jewish leaders of Christ’s time, “How could they not believe when he raised people from the dead?” The answer is really quite simple - people can’t see over the walls they build. We build walls that are suppose to block us in and keep us close to God. But we don’t realize that God is not containable within our walls - therefore when He is standing just outside the walls and calling to us, we can’t see him, or we don’t recognize his voice, or we don’t believe it is him.
The question comes to this: Do you trust your wall? Or do you trust your God? One thing God has taught me over the last 16 years is this - My beliefs don’t save me. God saves me. My beliefs don’t define me. God defines me.
As a defender, I could never learn to trust God. Oh, I thought I did. Actually, I claimed that that was the core of everything. I believed in Christ as my Lord and Savior - and that was the whole point of my existence. I did not know then, what I know now. My words, did not match my actual beliefs. I knew salvation through grace. No works in this boy. It was all Jesus all the time. But….I still needed to do just one act….believe. Guess what - that one act was all it took to steal the victory from Christ.
I’m about to say something that seems rude - I promise you - I’m just trying to get you to think: You may think you understand that last quote. But trust me, you will learn - at some point - that you actually only thought you understood it. When God opens your eyes, you will come back and laugh at the simplicity of the statement and praise God for the moment he opened your eyes. This may sound really condescending, but I mean it with deep love and with the understanding of someone who has been there.
So back to our question: Do you trust your wall (beliefs)? Or do you trust your God?
This is similar to what I am saying in the “Hearing God” thread.
I am going to give you some tools that allow you to break down your walls. Some of these tools will require a great deal of proof or explanation. However, if I start with the explanation, we will get bogged down and will not be able to make progress. So, I am going to ask you to trust me with the tools until such a time as we get to the full explanation / proof of the validity of the tools. This is difficult for long time believers because they have more construction done on their walls. So even if we make a dent in one corner, they still defend from another. Until we stand before God, vulnerable, we tend to put him in one of our pre-designed boxes.
So, while I am waiting to “prove” my point in some cases, simply allow the unproven to stand for a little while. We will not leave anything unproven by the time we get to the end.
I’m totally open to questions. I expect and and appreciate them. But I won’t answer everything as I go or we would never make progress. Also, just like in any teaching in Christianity. I do not have all the answers - that should not dissuade you from accepting the answers I can provide.
I have packaged many of these understandings and beliefs into something I call the restoration of all things. It just makes it easier to talk about when we have a name to refer to and for short I just call it "restoration."
Ok. This is long enough for the introduction….
Note: This thread could greatly offend you, but it could also show you God in a way you always wanted to see Him, but could not because of what you have been taught. Currently, I have permission from the moderators to start this thread, I do so in submission to their leadership of this forum and will stop anytime they ask me to.
Note: I have created a pdf version of what this thread contains. This way you can download it directly upfront. I have not signed my name to the document. It is not copyrighted. I have no problem with anyone distributing it, copying it, etc. It is not mine - it is yours. May His Name be Lifted High through the spreading of the Gospel of Peace!
I am going to lay out a foundation to start. This way, whenever you feel like I am saying something that goes against the foundation - you can come back to these foundation statements and know that this is my firm foundation.
Foundational Statements:
* Without Jesus - nothing is possible:
* Without Jesus Christ - there is no salvation.
* Without Jesus Christ - there is no life.
* Without Jesus Christ - the physical creation ceases to exist.
* I do not believe the doctrines taught by most versions of Universalism.
* I am not part of any church or belief system that can be named or defined by reading some documents • As with any set of beliefs, there may be overlap in areas that I belief. But you should not group me in with others just because one thing I say agrees with one thing they say.
* I am not the only one who believes some of the things i believe
* I have taught others who believe.
* Others have taught me.
* I have spoken to several in person and seen them online.
Some of what I will say will sound condescending and you may feel a natural tendency to be defensive. If you were sitting with me right now, you could look into my eyes and know that I mean this with humble love. But sometimes, things need to be said even though, on the surface, they appear disagreeable. Reading it on the page does not reveal my true spirit.
There is never a good place to start when beginning to share what I have come to understand over the last 16 years. I have taught on this subject several times and each time I choose a different approach. I guess the point is, I have written a lot on this topic - but I have never established any clear order and / or approach to my writings.
Some people aren’t interested in learning and are simply trying to prove me wrong. Others truly are willing to learn, but are held back by the immense weight of their current belief system. We have come a long way since the reformation, but unfortunately, even in our protestant churches, we are still captivated by a false image of God. I have come to understand this and realize that I cannot convince anyone. I am simply presenting what I believe God has allowed me to understand. I know how that sounds. One could say that perhaps it is my eyes that need opening. And of course that could be true, that is my constant prayer to the Lord. Until He shows me otherwise, I would contest that that is exactly what happened, 16 years ago - and it changed my life!
Perhaps a little history will get us started....
I was raised under a strict Baptist upbringing. I was in church as long as I can remember. Memorizing scripture since I was a little boy. Asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior at 5 years old. And it was real to me. I read scripture, studied scripture, memorized scripture, etc...
In school I would carry a bible around with me. Eventually, I went to a Christian school from 6th to 12th grade. More bible, more chapel, more God. As a youth, I lost friends because I would not do the naughty things with them that they wanted me to. So they lost interest in me. I was sold on Christ. I wasn’t just believing what I was taught - I was discovering truths about God on my own as well. Throughout my whole life, up until 1998, I was building an apologetic wall of defense for the things I believed. I could justify my beliefs and explain them to anyone willing to listen. And I was zealous about it all. I kept asking God for more. I wanted to be closer to him. I wanted to hear him. I wanted to really know him. This was a continual prayer of mine.
In 1998, something started to change. As I studied scripture and continued to pray that God would draw me nearer to him, I began to bump up against the doctrinal walls that I had so carefully built over the 33 years of my life so far. Nothing too concerning, but it was clear that God was working with me though I did not realize it at the time. Whenever I would talk to my friends and bring up something I had learned in scripture which challenged the “acceptable” beliefs - just to ask them their thoughts - I would be met with anger or fear over even the simplest of things. I didn’t take it too far and my wall remained intact.
In 2000, my family left Seattle and the Microsoft lifestyle and moved to rural Missouri to start a home for unwed mothers - to be used as an alternative to abortion. God was clearly working in our lives and was setting us up for new things to happen. I won’t bore you with all the details, but our lives during the next couple years were being bombarded with incredible acts of God. By 2001, we were holding regular fireside meetings with friends. We had lots of fun in fellowship and singing and worship and prayer. Great times!
One evening, after the sun had gone down, we sat by the fire overlooking the pond. The frogs and crickets were croaking and chirping, the stars were shining overhead and most of the people had left. There were only two families remaining. It was our house, so we were there. My friend and I had been talking for quite some time. He would say something, I would comment or ask a question. He'd answer. Then I’d say something. He’d ask a question or comment. I’d answer. This had been going on for some time. At a point in the conversation, I began to feel a sensation filling me. It was like being really excited. It was like the dawning light. It was like a warm bath after coming in from playing in the snow. We were discussing salvation, predestination, heaven, repentance, and stuff like that. I don’t remember the exact words that were spoken, but I will never forget the moment. My friend had just said something, and it exploded inside me. I looked up at him, his face lit only by the fire and said, “But that would mean,....everybody is saved.” Even as I said it, I knew it was true. Even as I am typing this now, I feel the same joy and trembling as I did then.
As the words were coming out of my mouth, my spirit leapt for joy! When I finished speaking, I believed. I had just met the God I had been crying out to for years. He revealed himself to me next to a fire, overlooking a pond, in the middle of a hot summer night deep in the heart of rural Missouri. And he had brought me to that place at that time just for that purpose.
My friend said nothing. He had already come to this belief years earlier. He was grinning as he watched me come to know God in a whole new way. Scripture flooded into my mind and I laughed as I suddenly, not just understood, but believed. My God truly IS an Awesome God!!
I cannot tell this story without crying and praising God. I cannot help but call out in thanks to him for who he is, but also for opening my eyes and letting me see Him. I will never be able to fully explain the experience. Perhaps this is what new believers experience when they come to understand what Jesus has done for them. Being “saved from birth” basically, I just always new Jesus - but in that moment - I truly knew just how much I didn’t know and I absolutely fell in love with Him.
I woke up the next morning laughing and crying in joy. Suddenly, so much made sense. The words had always been in the scriptures, but I had been taught how to not believe them. Verses that Christianity had long since learned how to ignore or explain away were now clear. But still, I had 36 years of bricks in the wall of my belief system that claimed this God, that I now believed in, was not real. I needed to test everything with Scripture. I needed to understand how to explain this to others. I needed to tear down the wall.
The next 7 years, I poured hours upon hours into this study. I researched both sides of every argument. I talked to many friends. I read many books, I studied Greek and Hebrew. I studied scripture. Sometimes I was shown things directly from the Spirit sometimes truth was revealed after much prayer and study. After 7 years of this, I was amazed at the tapestry scripture weaves in support of the new things God had revealed to me. I was stunned at how much Christianity chooses to ignore, to explain away, or to simply not believe. Through the years, I was shown many more truths about God’s plan that had not been apparent that first night.
By 2009, I had shared my findings with several families, and some began to see God the way He had revealed himself to me. Others, did not. I continue to this day to study and research. I continue to cry out to God to reveal himself to me and to draw me near to him. I am not saying that the last 16 years couldn’t have all been a great deception. But I am saying, that for years I have poured heart and soul into seeking God on these issues and many more. I believe I have heard every argument that can be made against what I have come to know. I came from the same belief system that I am now debating. I was born into it and knew it by heart. I understand the argument against. But each falls down when light is shed on it.
This isn’t just a small difference. It impacts all of scripture and all of the Christian walk. It is so embedded in scripture that one can barely read any portion that does not speak of it. It isn’t just that maybe God saves everyone - HE MUST SAVE EVERYONE! This isn’t an issue about one aspect of who God is - this is the very point of who He is. God will be victorious and his Word will not return in vain! This isn’t something, where I find myself wondering, “Hmmm, I wonder if God is gonna save everyone. Could go either way.” No, this is something that I know and it is the entire point of God’s plan and it is shouted throughout scripture. It is not an intellectual idea - it is a spiritual reality.
For years, God had me only sharing this with small groups of people I knew well, but I also knew the day would come when he would release me to share it on a larger scale. I believe this day is now. As kingdoms crumble around us and the age comes to a close - this message of restoration will begin to ring throughout the land. I am not the only one who believes and teaches these things. There are others doing the same thing in their local settings and some much more globally.
Like me, many of you have grown up with a strong Christian influence that has allowed you to build a wall of defense around your belief system. My initial goal, will be to provide you with the tools necessary to chip away at that wall. I know initially, you might be thinking, “Why would I want to do that? The wall is what protects me from false teachings!” Well, yes, it does. But it also keeps you from true teachings.
Please allow me to illustrate this point:
When Jesus came into this world, there was a religious system established that was, at the time, the “religion” established by God. Of course over time, that religion did what all religions do. It became corrupt. It began teaching falseness. And over time, this corruption and false teaching became accepted as part of the religion. This happened so much so that the true and earnest followers of God did not recognize Him when He stood right in front of them. They did not recognize their Messiah when we fulfilled the very scriptures they had studied their whole life. They did not see him for who he was even while he was saving them from their sin right in front of their eyes. Even his devout followers did not fully understand these things!
Nowadays, as believers, we catch ourselves mocking the Hebrew people as they came out from Egypt. “How could they build a golden calf after he parted the sea!?” We mock the religious Jewish leaders of Christ’s time, “How could they not believe when he raised people from the dead?” The answer is really quite simple - people can’t see over the walls they build. We build walls that are suppose to block us in and keep us close to God. But we don’t realize that God is not containable within our walls - therefore when He is standing just outside the walls and calling to us, we can’t see him, or we don’t recognize his voice, or we don’t believe it is him.
The question comes to this: Do you trust your wall? Or do you trust your God? One thing God has taught me over the last 16 years is this - My beliefs don’t save me. God saves me. My beliefs don’t define me. God defines me.
Looking back over my life, I realize that during my first 36 years I was a defender of the faith. During the last 16, I have been a seeker of His face.
As a defender, I could never learn to trust God. Oh, I thought I did. Actually, I claimed that that was the core of everything. I believed in Christ as my Lord and Savior - and that was the whole point of my existence. I did not know then, what I know now. My words, did not match my actual beliefs. I knew salvation through grace. No works in this boy. It was all Jesus all the time. But….I still needed to do just one act….believe. Guess what - that one act was all it took to steal the victory from Christ.
As a defender, I trusted in the fact that I trusted in Christ. As a seeker, I just trust in Christ.
I’m about to say something that seems rude - I promise you - I’m just trying to get you to think: You may think you understand that last quote. But trust me, you will learn - at some point - that you actually only thought you understood it. When God opens your eyes, you will come back and laugh at the simplicity of the statement and praise God for the moment he opened your eyes. This may sound really condescending, but I mean it with deep love and with the understanding of someone who has been there.
So back to our question: Do you trust your wall (beliefs)? Or do you trust your God?
Your God is bigger than your beliefs and is 100% capable of protecting you without the wall that you have built. If you really want to know God, you must be willing to collapse your wall of beliefs!
This is similar to what I am saying in the “Hearing God” thread.
I am going to give you some tools that allow you to break down your walls. Some of these tools will require a great deal of proof or explanation. However, if I start with the explanation, we will get bogged down and will not be able to make progress. So, I am going to ask you to trust me with the tools until such a time as we get to the full explanation / proof of the validity of the tools. This is difficult for long time believers because they have more construction done on their walls. So even if we make a dent in one corner, they still defend from another. Until we stand before God, vulnerable, we tend to put him in one of our pre-designed boxes.
So, while I am waiting to “prove” my point in some cases, simply allow the unproven to stand for a little while. We will not leave anything unproven by the time we get to the end.
For example, if we were caught in a zombie apocalypse and hundreds of zombies were headed our away. And you did not know how to drive. I could say, just get in this car, start the engine by turning the key, put the shifter on the D, and step on the gas until you get away from the zombies.
You would then live and possibly save the whole world at some point, if you simply trusted my instructions.
Or you could say, Why D? Why not R? What does D stand for? I don’t want to step on the gas because it might cause me to blow up. How do I know that will work? Why are we using the Car at all?
You would then die, and with you, the hope of the whole world. Way to go, Ace!
You would then live and possibly save the whole world at some point, if you simply trusted my instructions.
Or you could say, Why D? Why not R? What does D stand for? I don’t want to step on the gas because it might cause me to blow up. How do I know that will work? Why are we using the Car at all?
You would then die, and with you, the hope of the whole world. Way to go, Ace!
I’m totally open to questions. I expect and and appreciate them. But I won’t answer everything as I go or we would never make progress. Also, just like in any teaching in Christianity. I do not have all the answers - that should not dissuade you from accepting the answers I can provide.
I have packaged many of these understandings and beliefs into something I call the restoration of all things. It just makes it easier to talk about when we have a name to refer to and for short I just call it "restoration."
Ok. This is long enough for the introduction….