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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 9:59:31 GMT -6
disciple4life asked me in a private message what I thought of the harpazo and whether it could happen at any moment. I thought the answer would be a good topic of discussion for the group. I know that we have put a lot of emphasis on the feasts and I believe that is for good reason. As I have pointed out in several other thread, I do believe that the Feasts stand at the appointed times on the prophetic clock of God. But, rather than go on about the feasts here, I propose something different. These ideas have been floated by others. I’m just lasso’ing a few of them and bringing them here. Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. As several others have pointed out - this event was not on a known feast day. Though it can be related to a feast day with a count of 40 (first fruits) and with a count of -10(Pentecost). But there are some other oddities to connect: two men stood by them in white apparel. It does not say angels, perhaps they were, perhaps they weren’t but the word men, is the same word for men in the next verse when talking about the disciples. Also, white apparel, similar to the robe’s given in revelation. These are the linens of righteousness. We are also told that Christ would come in like manner - accompanied by two witnesses? outside the normal feast schedule? in the air? * There are many places where we are told, we don’t know the hour - watch. It comes at a time when you do not expect. Even these people were told they don’t know the times or seasons. Watch - Watch - did I say it: WATCH. * The parable of the 10 virgins, shows us that there will be a warning very shortly before His arrival. The virgins did not know when it would happen. * Many people believe that Daniel’s 70th week is on the other side of a Gap. Even if you are not onboard with that gap or with a future 70th week…I think these gaps may be pointed to by the feasts schedule itself. There are two gaps: between Spring Feasts -gap- Pentecost -gap- Fall Feasts. Perhaps during this gap, the feast schedule does not apply. It would seem that we will KNOW when we receive the warning call - perhaps 10 days prior? But I don’t think we will figure it out - we will be told as we watch and pray. And we will have no doubt when we are told. And it may not be on a feast day. In a perfect harmonic way, we would receive our warning on Pentecost and 10 days later we rise. But my concept of harmony might not be the Lord's. After the harpazo, the gap closes and we are back on the feast schedule. My main point is not to argue when the rapture is or isn't. It is this - it is fun to figure things out. It is even instructed in some cases (like the mark), but I firmly believe that now - more than ever - we are being called to be in a mode of watching and praying! Waiting for the Word. Resting in Him. He will tell us and we will know!
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Post by MikeTaft on Oct 19, 2017 10:28:04 GMT -6
I too agree @silentknight that the feast will be fulfilled. From my understanding Peter, James, and John were on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured in glory and standing there with Moses and Elijah talking. Many believe that these two will be the two witnesses as the miracles performed on earth are the very same done by Moses and Elijah. My thought is wouldn't Peter, James, and John recognize the two men in white as the same ones during the transfiguration?
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Post by Natalie on Oct 19, 2017 10:28:55 GMT -6
I had seen it suggested somewhere that we might get a warning, maybe like Noah who had seven days before the rains came.
I was trying to work out how to explain how I've been feeling -- like being a little kid and knowing that Christmas is coming, but since you can't read yet or tell time you don't really know what day Christmas is, but all the signs are there...Kroger's has their big blow up Santa, the weather has turned cold, Dad is putting up lights, mom is wrapping gifts...Christmas is coming!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 11:11:57 GMT -6
I too agree @silentknight that the feast will be fulfilled. From my understanding Peter, James, and John were on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured in glory and standing there with Moses and Elijah talking. Many believe that these two will be the two witnesses as the miracles performed on earth are the very same done by Moses and Elijah. My thought is wouldn't Peter, James, and John recognize the two men in white as the same ones during the transfiguration? Great point MikeTaft . Have you ever wondered how they knew who the people were who were standing with Jesus? It must have been revealed to them at the time. Without getting into who the Two Witnesses might be, it could be that the two men during the ascension were not the same as the Two Witnesses. But they were - two witnesses. Or it could be that this was simply not revealed at that time, or that it was revealed and not recorded. Also, please consider that people didn't even recognize Jesus after his ressurection until he wanted them to. I believe this is in connection to the woolen and linen clothing spoken of in Eze. 44. To be clear, I am not saying that the two witnesses are the same people. But they could be I suppose. I've felt that the harpazo would be during the fall feasts for so long that it is odd for me to think otherwise, but my main point is that I feel we may have reason to see the harpazo as outside the feast schedule and that we will be told in a way that will leave no doubt. Not from figuring it out, but from revelation.
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Oct 19, 2017 11:12:32 GMT -6
Wasn't the Revelation 12 sign our warning?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 11:27:02 GMT -6
Wasn't the Revelation 12 sign our warning? Possibly. It was / is definitely a wakeup call. In my spirit, I feel like we will receive an even more definitive call. Perhaps the rev 12 sign was the hour hand, and the minute had is yet to chime.
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Post by MikeTaft on Oct 19, 2017 11:29:20 GMT -6
I too agree @silentknight that the feast will be fulfilled. From my understanding Peter, James, and John were on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured in glory and standing there with Moses and Elijah talking. Many believe that these two will be the two witnesses as the miracles performed on earth are the very same done by Moses and Elijah. My thought is wouldn't Peter, James, and John recognize the two men in white as the same ones during the transfiguration? Great point MikeTaft . Have you ever wondered how they knew who the people were who were standing with Jesus? It must have been revealed to them at the time. Without getting into who the Two Witnesses might be, it could be that the two men during the ascension were not the same as the Two Witnesses. But they were - two witnesses. Or it could be that this was simply not revealed at that time, or that it was revealed and not recorded. Also, please consider that people didn't even recognize Jesus after his ressurection until he wanted them to. I believe this is in connection to the woolen and linen clothing spoken of in Eze. 44. To be clear, I am not saying that the two witnesses are the same people. But they could be I suppose. I've felt that the harpazo would be during the fall feasts for so long that it is odd for me to think otherwise, but my main point is that I feel we may have reason to see the harpazo as outside the feast schedule and that we will be told in a way that will leave no doubt. Not from figuring it out, but from revelation. I know that throughout scripture two witnesses are used to bring forth truth, except for the the two false-witnesses that were used against Jesus. You are right @silentknight that the rapture necessarily doesn't have to occur on a feast as you said the Ascension wasn't feast related. Every day I've been wondering if this is it, lol! I have to agree with grandpaskitzo that the Revelation 12 sign last month may very well have been the wake-up call. So many believers were awakened to this sign, even with the hope of the rapture, most of us are still looking with intent. If anything the Revelation 12 sign has increased our eagerness in seeking out His return.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 19, 2017 12:52:07 GMT -6
Hello Guys and gals. It is a very interesting topic. I just wanted to comment that in Greek, and Hebrew, there is only one word that is used for Angel/and or messenger. Sometimes the messenger is a man, but sometimes clearly it is a heavenly being. In Greek, the word for angel/Messenger is Angelos. I checked this verse in the Interlinear greek, and this same word 'men'/ "Andres" appears 63 times and is the exact same form of 'men' such as the feeding of the 5000 men/andres and women. "There were 500 andres, besides women. We don't want to read anything into the text - that is eisegesis, but it strikes me as odd that the mention of the two men in white occurs farther into the narrative, - possibly as if they appeared. I was also struck recently by the passage from Habbakuk, where the word of the Lord came to him on Feast of Tabernacles, and then he said that He(the Lord) would again shake the heavens, and the sky and the oceans and the dry land. Seems like this is referring to an earthquake. I do think that Christians will have some warning - "like the days of Noah and Lot, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be".
With that said, every day that passes, I think we should also consider that maybe the Sept 23 alignment was not the warning. At what point is the "falling rocks ahead" sign not a warning. When we cross the state line into Nebraska, I think we have to realize it's an anomaly.
To me at least, it feels very much like we're driving in the Rockies and we've just had extra heavy rainfall, and it's sleeting, and the guard rails are missing. ;-)
Maranatha,
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Post by mike on Oct 19, 2017 17:28:35 GMT -6
Not sure I get the analogy disciple4life. The Rev 12 is exactly what John described. We may not be certain what it meant (yet) but your analogy confuses me a bit. I probably am misreading, but it seems the "Rocks falling ahead" sign stolen from the road and put in a college dorm room (you've used that or similar before), means the sign isn't pointing to anything anymore as it's misplaced. Here you say it's an anomaly, how so? Again maybe I just am missing your point
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Post by yardstick on Oct 24, 2017 11:05:32 GMT -6
Wasn't the Revelation 12 sign our warning? And a second warning: the Rev 12:3-4 sign... imminency
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