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Post by james on Oct 29, 2017 8:23:20 GMT -6
Latest video from Barry Scarborough. Has some interesting points in his theory of the anti-Christ. I kinda have to agree with him. Although we may be wrong. But it's a good fit. Yes, he has some good points. I've always been creeped out by Obama, the arrogance, his lack of empathy, his constant lies, and his nasty statements about Christianity. But that's pretty common among world leaders (Macron thinks he's Zeus, for example), so I don't know if that's enough to qualify him as the AC. I was surprised when he said tens of thousands of Christians have had dreams about him being the AC. Pope Francis, though, I can easily see him as the false prophet. While it isn't technically official, there are some very good arguments to be made for "The Prophecy of the Popes" that has the current one as being "Peter the Roman" the last pope.
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Post by yardstick on Nov 19, 2017 11:32:52 GMT -6
Ran across this excerpt while reading an article I looked for because I was curious about Justin Martyr's commentary on Revelation. The rest of the article is interesting too. This source looks like the basis for the claim that the AC will be Jewish. I would be curious to see the full analysis Hippolytus did and how he came to his conclusions... Here is the link, btw: www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/introduction/futurist-interpretation.htmlInteresting also, that there are a number of opinion differences by the early church fathers on who the two Witnesses were. I am a little surprised by seeing Jeremiah suggested.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 19, 2017 16:31:57 GMT -6
The president of the Duma in Russia has Jewish ancestry; also he is a very violent man. My choice would be him for the AC. However, the 666 identifies, in my opinion, a religious leader. Since the sign of the Savior, in my opinion is 4, or 40, or 400, or 4000, then it is simply a matter of subtracting 400 (the Savior's number) from 666 to arrive at the correct person and his government. Thus, it is my opinion that there are two AC's and they are the two beast of Rev. Chapter 13. The first is the beast of Rev. 17:3, and the second is the beast of Rev. 13:1. The 17:3 AC precedes the 13:1 AC; however, both rule at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 17:39:56 GMT -6
"REVEALING Clues to Who is the antichrist"
helpful video for all who are curious
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 3, 2017 11:30:40 GMT -6
IMO...the AntiChrist is a world leader of a world power, a military ruler who can destroy or negate three world nucleurs powers, as in Daniel 2, Rev 12 etc etc.... three kings get destroyed of the ten, leaving seven and they give all their power to the little horn, the AC, because who can fight the Beast....
Why because the beast has destroyed the Western powers and now rules the whole world, unopposed.
He is a leader of vile Russia.... he is north, he is powerful, he is militarily inclined and has the force, and a High Priest as in the Prelate of Moscow.... these two vile ones oppose our two LIGHT ones, our Christian Witnesses or Prophets... 2 on 2, but our 1 (Jesus) is mightier than their 1 (Devil)
Kushner does NOT have the look, the right birthday, the right birthplace, the right background, look, demeanor, stature, nor is he a leader, and not from the right country...
Consider Surkov who has all the right (or wrong characteristics) and is second behind Putin. Putin obviously is not the AC, as another follows him, his architect..Surkov
IMO
David
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Post by boraddict on Dec 3, 2017 15:44:45 GMT -6
How about Zhirinovsky the leader of the Duma? He is a real devil.
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 3, 2017 23:27:48 GMT -6
How about Zhirinovsky the leader of the Duma? He is a real devil. Nope IMO, as there are lots of devils around, but the best devils, are handsome, intelligent, humoress, experienced, clever, writers, P.R. people, military men. These traits make them better deceivers.....as they appear to be angelic but within are wolves and worse. Surkov has the birthday, birthplace, parents of the AC, the experiences in life as the AC, the look, humnor, writer, intelligence, which all makes him the candidate, as I proposed six years ago, and he is grown in power, and Putin shall surely pass on his mantle to him. Why because Putin is not the AC, and cant run again, enough is enough. Handsome good tlkers are perfect devils as the naive ones look shallowly rather than at depth. Besides, I know from *****s .... what he is like. Anyway consider his pic HERE and details here www.davidjayjordan.com/VladislavSurkov.htmlIMO... IHS David
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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 14:10:35 GMT -6
So I have been perplexed by the idea that the antichrist is supposed to be the one who makes a peace treaty with the Jews in order to fulfill the prophecy in Daniel 9:27. We see that Trump and Kushner are working on the "deal of the century" and that a peace plan may even be presented soon; but if it is the antichrist who is supposed to make a covenant with the Jews, that would have to mean that Trump or Kushner are the antichrist. We see all of the 7s associated with Trump, which perhaps suggests that he is not the antichrist, and a good argument was made above that Kushner worships Yahweh so therefore cannot be the antichrist either. This leads me to the conclusion that either these men will fail with their peace plan and another plan will arise from another man, or else Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist making a peace treaty. Is there a third option I am not seeing?
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Post by kjs on Feb 7, 2018 14:29:57 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Feb 7, 2018 14:31:09 GMT -6
So I have been perplexed by the idea that the antichrist is supposed to be the one who makes a peace treaty with the Jews in order to fulfill the prophecy in Daniel 9:27. We see that Trump and Kushner are working on the "deal of the century" and that a peace plan may even be presented soon; but if it is the antichrist who is supposed to make a covenant with the Jews, that would have to mean that Trump or Kushner are the antichrist. We see all of the 7s associated with Trump, which perhaps suggests that he is not the antichrist, and a good argument was made above that Kushner worships Yahweh so therefore cannot be the antichrist either. This leads me to the conclusion that either these men will fail with their peace plan and another plan will arise from another man, or else Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist making a peace treaty. Is there a third option I am not seeing? Many have said Kushner as he is a Jew, who would be able to lead the Jews to a false peace. I don't see it, he isn't quite what we'd expect. His following the law or attempt at following the law could be the deception the Jews would see as his following God. I digress... Our traditional model (which most here are trying to shoot full of holes) would tell us he a world leader (or soon to be) very charismatic and persuasive, not given to women, and so on. None of which Kushner fits. Now I could absolutely see Trump sitting in the new American embassy in Jerusalem saying something like "only God could bring peace to the middle East" after the deal is accepted. But that's just me and very big stretch. Not saying he's it, but I don't doubt a comment like that from him 😁
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Post by blur on Feb 7, 2018 15:27:03 GMT -6
So I have been perplexed by the idea that the antichrist is supposed to be the one who makes a peace treaty with the Jews in order to fulfill the prophecy in Daniel 9:27. We see that Trump and Kushner are working on the "deal of the century" and that a peace plan may even be presented soon; but if it is the antichrist who is supposed to make a covenant with the Jews, that would have to mean that Trump or Kushner are the antichrist. We see all of the 7s associated with Trump, which perhaps suggests that he is not the antichrist, and a good argument was made above that Kushner worships Yahweh so therefore cannot be the antichrist either. This leads me to the conclusion that either these men will fail with their peace plan and another plan will arise from another man, or else Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist making a peace treaty. Is there a third option I am not seeing? Read all of Daniel 9. The covenant he is very much referring to is the mosaic covenant. This covenant describes the curses that are incurred for transgression. These curses, described in deuteronomy 20ish -32, are the bowls of wrath, the 7th trumpet. The covenant with death and hades, referred to in Isaiah forms a sort of decoy covenant if you will. When the covenant with death is broken, Jews feel secure that they have found the messiah (the pharmakia/ drugs for sorcery of rev 18 convinces people that this son of perdition has cleansed the world of demons/ aliens). This person will confirm the mosaic covenant on Yom Kippur , which is read/ confirmed every 7 years. The roughly 7 year trib period would be characterized by 2 half covenant periods broken in the middle of each. The 1st part being more overtly evil, due to the fact that Satan is playing a short con and long con.
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Post by kjs on Feb 7, 2018 15:42:10 GMT -6
So I have been perplexed by the idea that the antichrist is supposed to be the one who makes a peace treaty with the Jews in order to fulfill the prophecy in Daniel 9:27. We see that Trump and Kushner are working on the "deal of the century" and that a peace plan may even be presented soon; but if it is the antichrist who is supposed to make a covenant with the Jews, that would have to mean that Trump or Kushner are the antichrist. We see all of the 7s associated with Trump, which perhaps suggests that he is not the antichrist, and a good argument was made above that Kushner worships Yahweh so therefore cannot be the antichrist either. This leads me to the conclusion that either these men will fail with their peace plan and another plan will arise from another man, or else Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist making a peace treaty. Is there a third option I am not seeing? Read all of Daniel 9. The covenant he is very much referring to is the mosaic covenant. This covenant describes the curses that are incurred for transgression. These curses, described in deuteronomy 20ish -32, are the bowls of wrath, the 7th trumpet. The covenant with death and hades, referred to in Isaiah forms a sort of decoy covenant if you will. When the covenant with death is broken, Jews feel secure that they have found the messiah (the pharmakia/ drugs for sorcery of rev 18 convinces people that this son of perdition has cleansed the world of demons/ aliens). This person will confirm the mosaic covenant on Yom Kippur , which is read/ confirmed every 7 years. The roughly 7 year trib period would be characterized by 2 half covenant periods broken in the middle of each. The 1st part being more overtly evil, due to the fact that Satan is playing a short con and long con. Blessings were not the only consequences attached to the Mosaic covenant. Leviticus 26:14–39 lists curses for breaking covenant (see also Deut. 28:15–68), curses including disease, infertility, and defeat in war. Moreover, in this list of covenant curses, the curses grow in intensity the longer the people remain impenitent, faithless, and disobedient. We see that God would send certain curses on His unfaithful people to prompt the Israelites to listen to Him once more and then evaluate their response. If the Israelites would not heed Yahweh, a sevenfold punishment would follow. If, after that, the Israelites still would not listen to Him, another sevenfold punishment would follow. The curses would worsen as the people remained impenitent, culminating in the worst covenant curse of all—exile, the banishment from God’s special place of blessing. Hmmm, while it is true the "curses" from the Mosaic covenant did impact the the Jewish people (so much so that in AD70 they ceased to exist as a nation...) -- it does NOT appear Daniel 9 is discussing this particular covenant -- since it is at this time God is in the middle of restoring His People.
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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 15:47:21 GMT -6
So I have been perplexed by the idea that the antichrist is supposed to be the one who makes a peace treaty with the Jews in order to fulfill the prophecy in Daniel 9:27. We see that Trump and Kushner are working on the "deal of the century" and that a peace plan may even be presented soon; but if it is the antichrist who is supposed to make a covenant with the Jews, that would have to mean that Trump or Kushner are the antichrist. We see all of the 7s associated with Trump, which perhaps suggests that he is not the antichrist, and a good argument was made above that Kushner worships Yahweh so therefore cannot be the antichrist either. This leads me to the conclusion that either these men will fail with their peace plan and another plan will arise from another man, or else Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist making a peace treaty. Is there a third option I am not seeing? Many have said Kushner as he is a Jew, who would be able to lead the Jews to a false peace. I don't see it, he isn't quite what we'd expect. His following the law or attempt at following the law could be the deception the Jews would see as his following God. I digress... Our traditional model ( which most here are trying to shoot full of holes) would tell us he a world leader (or soon to be) very charismatic and persuasive, not given to women, and so on. None of which Kushner fits. Now I could absolutely see Trump sitting in the new American embassy in Jerusalem saying something like "only God could bring peace to the middle East" after the deal is accepted. But that's just me and very big stretch. Not saying he's it, but I don't doubt a comment like that from him 😁 Guilty as charged And yes, Trump is quite arrogant, but I don't see him being the AC.
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Post by mike on Feb 7, 2018 21:50:46 GMT -6
Read all of Daniel 9. The covenant he is very much referring to is the mosaic covenant. This covenant describes the curses that are incurred for transgression. These curses, described in deuteronomy 20ish -32, are the bowls of wrath, the 7th trumpet. The covenant with death and hades, referred to in Isaiah forms a sort of decoy covenant if you will. When the covenant with death is broken, Jews feel secure that they have found the messiah (the pharmakia/ drugs for sorcery of rev 18 convinces people that this son of perdition has cleansed the world of demons/ aliens). This person will confirm the mosaic covenant on Yom Kippur , which is read/ confirmed every 7 years. The roughly 7 year trib period would be characterized by 2 half covenant periods broken in the middle of each. The 1st part being more overtly evil, due to the fact that Satan is playing a short con and long con. How can I say this so that it doesn't sound the way it's going to sound? Most are familiar with a similar line of thinking as youve laid it out. Perhaps not exactly the same but in the vain, what I think I'm looking to find is what doesn't seem to be the obvious or familiar. I do believe that if we are present to see an individual be that person (assuming it is an individual) we all say "oooooohhhhhhh now it makes sense"
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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 22:15:41 GMT -6
Read all of Daniel 9. The covenant he is very much referring to is the mosaic covenant. This covenant describes the curses that are incurred for transgression. These curses, described in deuteronomy 20ish -32, are the bowls of wrath, the 7th trumpet. The covenant with death and hades, referred to in Isaiah forms a sort of decoy covenant if you will. When the covenant with death is broken, Jews feel secure that they have found the messiah (the pharmakia/ drugs for sorcery of rev 18 convinces people that this son of perdition has cleansed the world of demons/ aliens). This person will confirm the mosaic covenant on Yom Kippur , which is read/ confirmed every 7 years. The roughly 7 year trib period would be characterized by 2 half covenant periods broken in the middle of each. The 1st part being more overtly evil, due to the fact that Satan is playing a short con and long con. Blessings were not the only consequences attached to the Mosaic covenant. Leviticus 26:14–39 lists curses for breaking covenant (see also Deut. 28:15–68), curses including disease, infertility, and defeat in war. Moreover, in this list of covenant curses, the curses grow in intensity the longer the people remain impenitent, faithless, and disobedient. We see that God would send certain curses on His unfaithful people to prompt the Israelites to listen to Him once more and then evaluate their response. If the Israelites would not heed Yahweh, a sevenfold punishment would follow. If, after that, the Israelites still would not listen to Him, another sevenfold punishment would follow. The curses would worsen as the people remained impenitent, culminating in the worst covenant curse of all—exile, the banishment from God’s special place of blessing. Hmmm, while it is true the "curses" from the Mosaic covenant did impact the the Jewish people (so much so that in AD70 they ceased to exist as a nation...) -- it does NOT appear Daniel 9 is discussing this particular covenant -- since it is at this time God is in the middle of restoring His People. It is amazing how much scripture I am learning these days... things I feel like I should have known all along. What you have just said about a curse being a part of the covenant is new to me, so would you check and see if I’m following you? I understand you to be saying that the Mosaic covenant involved the curse of exile, therefore Daniel 9 cannot be about this covenant because Israel will not be exiled again since God is restoring His people. Is that what you are saying? Thank you for helping me understand. I need to study the covenants... I feel like I should know there are curses involved but that’s not something I’ve ever thought about.
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