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Post by grandpaskitzo on Sept 25, 2017 19:45:54 GMT -6
A 'great wonder' does not equal 'another wonder'.
The 'great wonder' is made up of all components of the heavens (sun, moon, stars, planets).
The second wonder is simply labeled 'another wonder', so it can't be exactly the same, but we must assume it's a constellation as well if the woman is made of a constellation. It's the template, stick to it. This is a very complex and elegant sign with many components.
The seven heads of the dragon do fit to be the seven stars of that half of the snake. The snake is distinctly separated into two parts for a reason.
The seven crowns are better described as diadems, as in a crown, which are the seven stars that make up the crown constellation.
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Post by brad on Sept 25, 2017 20:13:30 GMT -6
A 'great wonder' does not equal 'another wonder'. The 'great wonder' is made up of all components of the heavens (sun, moon, stars, planets). The second wonder is simply labeled 'another wonder', so it can't be exactly the same, but we must assume it's a constellation as well if the woman is made of a constellation. It's the template, stick to it. This is a very complex and elegant sign with many components. The seven heads of the dragon do fit to be the seven stars of that half of the snake. The snake is distinctly separated into two parts for a reason. The seven crowns are better described as diadems, as in a crown, which are the seven stars that make up the crown constellation. Thanks for the insight here grandpaskitzo... So you are onboard as Ophiuchus as being the constellation? I want to put this to rest too... It all makes sense... but how can we describe 4 of the stars in the neck/body of the right side of serpins as being heads....? Here is a few thoughts.... Could Saturn be the beast? The sun be the dragon? And the false profit be.....? The sun makes sence to being fiery red and therefor the dragon... Saturn could be the beast (now days away) ready to gain power... (October 15) Venus (possibly... ) the false profit? I'm onboard thinking Ophiuchus is playing the role as the enemy here.... Sorry If I am doubting.... Just not totally convinced! Your thoughts grandpaskitzo? ( by the way.. I'm an older guy too...) |
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Post by truthseeker on Sept 25, 2017 20:34:22 GMT -6
I think the world is going to hear that the 'lost' spacecraft (disappeared into the rings with no contact) is going to magically transmit pictures of alien life on Saturn. Probably pre-programmed into its computer 30 years ago to be brought forth at just the right time by remote... just in time to explain the disappearance of people by aliens. Media already claimed Saturn showed alien life...now the time for the prepackaged info will be needed.
I'm probably way off. But that's what struck me when the people cried about losing touch with it and how it had 'faithfully' done everything they asked it to do AND MORE. They acted like it was a live thing! Oh it's going to be faithful to them alright... Full of deception, thus its presence in the serpent sign.
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Post by brad on Sept 25, 2017 21:09:49 GMT -6
I think the world is going to hear that the 'lost' spacecraft (disappeared into the rings with no contact) is going to magically transmit pictures of alien life on Saturn. Probably pre-programmed into its computer 30 years ago to be brought forth at just the right time by remote... just in time to explain the disappearance of people by aliens. Media already claimed Saturn showed alien life...now the time for the prepackaged info will be needed. I'm probably way off. But that's what struck me when the people cried about losing touch with it and how it had 'faithfully' done everything they asked it to do AND MORE. They acted like it was a live thing! Oh it's going to be faithful to them alright... Full of deception, thus its presence in the serpent sign. Sounds like a "great Conspiracy" here truthseeker! But, sounds like the "truth to come" With you always... Brad |
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Post by whatif on Sept 25, 2017 23:23:43 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, waiting4theday and daydreamer! I see you are new members! I have also often wondered about the possibility of the dragon description having to do with a nuclear missile attack. Great posts!
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Post by cathyrooks on Mar 9, 2020 23:35:48 GMT -6
Hi everyone. I posted these over on "Just One Thing Missing From Clarke's Interpretation of The Sign" thread but since Brad started this new thread to consolidate efforts, I'm reposting them here: Hi guys. I've watched several videos by Daniel Valles on YouTube (his channel is called "informed christians"), and he has an interesting theory on the red dragon. He suggests that John, being a sailor/fisherman, would have known that the "great dragon" was Draco in the night sky and that 1/3 of the stars indicates a time lapse of Draco as it "swims" around the arctic circle, dragging it's tail and those stars that follow it. This dragging of the tail 1/3 of the night sky represents X amount of days before Draco comes to face the woman in September. Supposedly, we are right now in the time frame of the dragging (it would've begun sometime in the first week of august, I believe). He also uses many descriptions of the seasons and harvest found throughout rapture/2nd coming scripture to say that we are indeed in that season (for example, turtle dove migration, tender grapes, "untimely figs" etc etc). I would need to go back and view his videos again to be more specific and find the exact verses. It is quite intriguing and fits in with John describing the dragon not as a "great sign." Here is his latest video: m.youtube.com/watch?v=o0cMXiaRfdY It spends a lot of time considering the coming eclipse in relation to the past two total eclipses and 4 blood moons, which is pretty intriguing in itself. Towards the end he goes back over the Draco sign and how he came to those conclusions. Of course you can always go to his channel and find his videos that are more specific to solving the dragon. I didn't have time this morning to do that, but just wanted to throw this possibility out there if it has not been considered before. Hi guys again. I have a little time now to expound on the Fiery Dragon video done by Daniel Valles at the Informed Christians YouTube channel: He begins pretty quickly in that video to cover why he believes the dragon is Draco. His main premise is this: the people of 1 AD would have immediately recognized John's vision of the dragon as being Draco because of a very popular poem that everyone knew and even Paul quotes in the Bible (Act 17:28). The poem is "Phenomena" by Aratus. The description of Draco in that poem gives him the characteristics described by John in his vision. In later videos, Daniel begins to work out what the 1/3 of the stars means. He assumes John is seeing the vision from the ground. He tediously deals with the math to determine how much of the sky would be visible, what roughly 1/3 would mean and what dates that 1/3 would possibly be starting on to end up in front of the woman just before Sept 23. It seems pretty logical and straightforward to me. I don't know if I agree with his interpretation of what it means: namely that the Rev 12 sign is the "sign of the son of man" and that travail will come BEFORE the sign (Matt 24:29-30) so we should be expecting the rapture anytime before the sign and before sudden destruction. It's possible but I'm not yet willing to accept that interpretation wholesale. (To me it doesn't really matter because I'm watching and I'm ready to go!) How can we know if the Rev 12 sign is the "sign of the son of man?" But it's not just that verse that he uses to back up the idea of the travail coming before Sept 23rd. I think he also equates it to the 6th seal description. Sorry I don't have this all down concretely. I'd need to go through hours and hours of his videos with a notebook to get it all and work it out. I just don't have that kind of time at the moment. So if anyone else feels intrigued and compelled... by all means go for it! Draco is constantly twirling around in the northern sky. A 1/3 rotation simply indicates a 3-4 month period, if we interpret this as referring to the rotation of Draco. Also, I take it Daniel Valles believes in a partial rapture? That if you don't "sanctify yourself" you won't be raptured? He needs to read the change in the Greek word for "sleep" in 1 Thess 5. Also read Hebrews 10:10-18. I take it he doesn't believe in imputed righteousness either. Who then is he trusting to save him? Sorry these things drive me nuts because it distracts the focus of one's salvation from Jesus to oneself, which only leads to fear, doubt, and failing to rest in Jesus Christ. |
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Post by cathyrooks on Mar 10, 2020 0:08:02 GMT -6
I have a number of concerns about Daniel Valles of "Informed Christians" (he is the sole commentator there). Aside from his long, involved, and confusing astrological interpretations - which are derived from Chaldean (Babylonian) astrology, he is purporting to be in the process of developing a "Rapture-ready" medical clinic to be put in operation AFTER THE RAPTURE. He has some photos of the site and "buildings, which more closely resemble a M.A.S.H. unit than anything else (flimsy construction, etc.). He doesn't seem to have a plan for the medical STAFFING of the facility after the rapture, nor has he considered the strong possibility of the vandalism and plundering of supplies there during such a time of civil upheaval.
There is already a fully-functioning HOSPITAL in the same area of Shelby County, Alabama - I see no reason for it to cease operation after the rapture. He is actively seeking funding for his many projects there which he details...with projected costs of many thousands of dollars. The "ministry" is not incorporated, has no board of directors, no covering of church affiliation (at least not any mentioned by name), and appears to be run without ANY financial accountability whatsoever. This gives me pause concerning his speculative theories and date-setting.
The reason I am so disturbed about these things is because I have encountered a young man who is very enamored with him and refuses to even consider some of the "red lights" that I have mentioned here. He has quoted the scripture that Valles has prominently displayed on his website: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment" as a rebuke to my questioning of this supposedly "sincere" man. I feel there is evidence that he is either sincerely self-deluded, or is a very clever con artist (Daniel Valles has said himself that he is a marketer by vocation). Any thoughts?
watchmanjim,barbiosheepgirl,MissusMack08,socalexile,mike,whatif,gary777
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Post by mike on Mar 10, 2020 4:59:38 GMT -6
welcome to the forum cathyrooks - unfortunately most of those youve tagged no longer participate on the site  I know close to zero about this person. However if you have warned the brother of the possible danger of following this man blindly (as it seems), simply pray for him as he is not willing to receive your admonishment. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 31, 2020 19:45:38 GMT -6
Silly idea: what if the Red Dragon is China?
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Post by fitz on Apr 1, 2020 3:24:38 GMT -6
Silly idea: what if the Red Dragon is China? Maybe not correct but, certainly not silly. It's the first thing that came to my mind when the CV19 thing exploded. |
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Post by brandon on Apr 1, 2020 12:14:35 GMT -6
I have a number of concerns about Daniel Valles of "Informed Christians" (he is the sole commentator there). Aside from his long, involved, and confusing astrological interpretations - which are derived from Chaldean (Babylonian) astrology, he is purporting to be in the process of developing a "Rapture-ready" medical clinic to be put in operation AFTER THE RAPTURE. He has some photos of the site and "buildings, which more closely resemble a M.A.S.H. unit than anything else (flimsy construction, etc.). He doesn't seem to have a plan for the medical STAFFING of the facility after the rapture, nor has he considered the strong possibility of the vandalism and plundering of supplies there during such a time of civil upheaval.
There is already a fully-functioning HOSPITAL in the same area of Shelby County, Alabama - I see no reason for it to cease operation after the rapture. He is actively seeking funding for his many projects there which he details...with projected costs of many thousands of dollars. The "ministry" is not incorporated, has no board of directors, no covering of church affiliation (at least not any mentioned by name), and appears to be run without ANY financial accountability whatsoever. This gives me pause concerning his speculative theories and date-setting.
The reason I am so disturbed about these things is because I have encountered a young man who is very enamored with him and refuses to even consider some of the "red lights" that I have mentioned here. He has quoted the scripture that Valles has prominently displayed on his website: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment" as a rebuke to my questioning of this supposedly "sincere" man. I feel there is evidence that he is either sincerely self-deluded, or is a very clever con artist (Daniel Valles has said himself that he is a marketer by vocation). Any thoughts?
watchmanjim ,barbiosheepgirl ,MissusMack08 ,socalexile ,mike ,whatif ,gary777 The promise of the rapture of the "body of Christ" is in-twinned with the sealing of the Holy Spirit, based on faith alone in his blood. The rapture is NOT a reward. Here's a paragraph from one of Daniel Valles downloadable .pdf files titled, "Running For the Prize."
"A Better Resurrection
How can you get “better” than being raised from the dead?! By default, everyone will, at the last day, be raised from the dead to give account before God. However, some believers are rewarded
with an early resurrection, to rule and reign,1,000 years with Christ! Those that have an heart to befriend and serve Christ - in this life - will be rewarded with a fuller, better, richer, and more rewarded life in their resurrection! This is the resurrection that the Apostle Paul was hoping to attain to: the better resurrection - which comes only by loving and serving the Redeemer. Their life of service - to know Christ - changes the outcome when they are raised."
The redeemed have been forgiven of their sins because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ, in which they believe by faith alone.
Romans 3:25 - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Ephesians 1:7 - In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This redemption is guaranteed, by the sealing of the Holy Spirit, until the redemption of the purchased possession.
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Paul doesn't say 'a' day or 'your' day, but rather 'the' day of redemption. Here's talking about the rapture of the body of Christ. Those sealed by the holy spirit, whose redemption is guaranteed, are awaiting the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Granted there will be other resurrections in the ages to come after the rapture of the body of Christ, but those will be for other specific categorized groups that fall into different dispensations.
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Post by bruce on Apr 20, 2020 8:19:12 GMT -6
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Post by socalexile on Apr 20, 2020 15:39:33 GMT -6
I'm sounding like a broken record, but don't rule out Ascension Day, which officially is on May 21st, although it might be the 26-27th if you count it from the last day of Passover instead of Easter. Interesting timing IMO. Kind of ironic also given that Space X is all about man reaching the heavens by his own work (Genesis 11), while in the Garden, Eve was trying to find wisdom and ascend in a way. |
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Post by nana on May 30, 2020 11:57:17 GMT -6
Don't know if this belongs here, can be moved if not.
SpaceX, Falcon9, lifts off today Saturday May 30, 2020 at 3:22 with Crew Dragon aboard. Saturday, named after the ancient pagan roman god of saturn, 322 is the call numbers of the Skull and Bones, Dragon is explanatory and Falcon (Horus as a falcon or a hawk could even take a human shape. Horus was also known as the god of the Nile Delta and then he became the king of upper and Lower Egypt and the symbol of kingship because it was Horus who led to the union of the two kingdoms). And 9 is a judgement biblically. NASA only exist due to Operation Paperclip when the c-a brought over hit-lers scientist...This is no coincidence but planed by the globalist.
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Post by bruce on Jun 1, 2020 10:37:11 GMT -6
Apparently the Dragon capsule will remain attached to the space station for weeks or months. The crew is not scheduled to return to Earth any time soon, so the capsule will remain in orbit probably for most of the summer.
I had hoped we would rapture on Pentecost, but I am optimistic that maybe we still might go this summer or at FOT this September.
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