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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 20, 2017 12:45:41 GMT -6
I've been following along this and many threads. Like I have anything better to do (who wants to work), its very possible we go home in two/three/four days. socalexile - we all fall short but we have moments. You have helped me more than you know! This text has been on my heart for a few days, maybe appropriate given the last few notes - Just sayin' Love you guys! Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.I've just been reading through and replying as I was reading and catching up with this thread, so when I responded I didn't even realize it had kind of turned a little bit... just... like we are and ALL of our fault because we ALL have sin nature and so we all have sin. The scripture you posted, it is awesome! So true! And this is what we will do: "continue daily with one accord". And so please do not become upset and leave socal. I too have been blessed by so many of your posts! And by silentknights posts. And so just that we need to remember that we are all of us wrong. Being "done with all of it" and "not coming back", or edit because not not coming back but not coming back until after September 24 if we are still here... all that crap and nonsense is exactly what the devil wants. It is absolutely ok to disagree with each other on what amount to "details", or "pieces of the puzzle". I'm not saying anyone has questioned any other person's faith and I am just reading all of this now. So no accusations to any of my brothers and sisters in Christ. But as we all know, and should always remember... 1 Corinthians 4: "This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God."Questioning another person's faith means we are questioning the "heart" of that person. We simply were not made to do that and it is not in God's Plan or Purpose for us. Like Paul says... not even to do it to ourselves. But for the Lord. And in the meantime we all are "guilty" but our sentence and punishment... Jesus took it for us. If we believe that, as dirty as we are and we all are FILTHY, but because He suffered our punishment for us, we are washed as white as snow. Praise Your Name Yeshua! And we continue daily with one accord! Amen! |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 20, 2017 15:08:28 GMT -6
Can you explain your 'double exposure' reference please? , this video will explain it better than I could: Once again - whether it is Saturn or not is not the relevant point - that just adds a bit of irony to the image. Neat, and helpful. However, I am curious how Saturn could be 'so bright' and 'oversaturated' with light, yet Venus, which is far brighter, isnt? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 17:04:25 GMT -6
I understand your question, yardstick . I am not necessarily signed on to the idea that this has to be Saturn - but the video does make rational sense to me. But, I don't really have any defense of it. However, I can say that this is clearly an anomaly of some sort that is very rare. We don't see evidence of it happening in other spots. So perhaps the equipment was configurationally off that night. Perhaps there was an over-exposure that caused the brightness. Either way - whether this image is of saturn or anything else is not relevant to me. What is relevant is that God arranged for this image to be at the very spot we might expect it to be if it did represent a dragon. Maybe I'm giving it too much credit - I don't know. But to me - it just makes sense. |
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Post by mike on Sept 20, 2017 17:15:29 GMT -6
If this picture was in 1983 can't we just look at Stellar or one of the programs to see where Saturn was? Maybe I'm missing something yardstick @silentknight |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 18:01:20 GMT -6
If this picture was in 1983 can't we just look at Stellar or one of the programs to see where Saturn was? Maybe I'm missing something yardstick @silentknight Yes mike. That is exactly what the video demonstrates. Saturn was exactly on the spot of the dots. (eyes) This shows that you have a great mind mike! |
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Post by truthseeker on Sept 22, 2017 6:36:14 GMT -6
All the wonders in heaven are pictures of events that are taking place in heaven. The woman represents Israel and she birthed Christ and true Christianity comes through her. For this cause, Satan has always desired to end her seed as we are told in Genesis. In the pictures of her in the heavens, we see 1)By her barley and wheat that she brought forth the bread of life; in Joel 1- we see that the bread and barley will perish from Israel. So on one hand from the Christian viewpoint we understand the rapture picture of her, but from scripture we also see by Amos 8, that the bread will disappear at some point.
2) again we see her clothed with the sun in the moon, which are all creations of God and that he told us that he would use for signs. Again a good redemption picture of her is that God is using her to send forth signs; yet some of the Jews(Israel) turned to worship the sun and the moon and now much of her is clothed with unrighteousness. 3) another picture is...she gave birth to Jesus and he will rule with a rod of iron and all authority is given to him and it is fixing to take place. The other side of her shows that without Him, satan will be coming after the remnant of Jacob(all that is left of her).
This is all what is transpiring in heaven, Satan has been asking to devour all Israel for her misdeeds(both Christian and Jew), and God has made a plan to protect them all(through acceptance of Jesus for Christians and supernatural protection for the Jews)and ALL Authority HAS BEEN handed over to Jesus! Satan is very upset with this decision and knows that his judgment is close and the process is beginning and he is fixing to get kicked out. Michael has been the protector of Israel and has been dealing with him in the heavenlies. Genesis is fixing to culminate as he will go after The rest of her seed in order to hurt the Godhead( heart wise) and portray the Godhead as incapable to save man. But God has told us not to fear him who can kill the body, which is all that Satan can do, and instead fear the one who can kill the soul. Death has already been defeated!! Satan is blinded by anger and cannot get it through his head. There is an old saying". Be careful of a man who has nothing to lose"...he's it.
All these pictures in Revelation 12 are a story telling us what is going on in heaven and that our redemption is drawing nigh,....as it is a picture of the wrath of Satan coming up on the earth. Same constellations, Two pictures, blessing and warning.
I did not mention the rapture for it will happen when it happens. I believe in it, whenever it may be.
I believe the above is why there is a mixture of emotions with people. Inside we,who are believers, are very excited, yet sense there is a great dread coming upon the earth.
These days, I'm trying to witness and encourage wherever the Holy Spirit leads me and then pray that my prayers might be put poured out and guaranteed to be received by God, for those in the tribulation, that they might be covered in an extra special way.(revelation 5:8 and revelation 8:3,4. I don't know if those prayers or prayed here or in heaven, so I'm doing it here.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 23, 2017 0:13:22 GMT -6
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Post by sesquipedalian on Sept 23, 2017 14:17:04 GMT -6
Just spitballing here... Since the Rapture obviously didn't happen before the Revelation 12 sign happened, I went back and reread Revelation 12. It occurred to me that maybe the three events need to happen in order: the sign of the woman, then the sign of the dragon, then the Rapture. And we haven't seen the sign of the dragon yet. Now since the sign of the woman was both visible and natural, I wondered if the sign of the dragon is also supposed to be visible and natural. But there are no predictable celestial events that would seem to match. However... What if there were a giant solar flare sometime in the next week? Depending on the severity, this could produce aurorae visible all over the globe, not just near the poles. It was but the work of a moment to learn that lower-latitude aurorae appear red. Then I found this interesting article. Here's an excerpt: Since the Sun is in the constellation Virgo right now, the aurora would also appear in or near that constellation. And suppose the solar flare was powerful enough to disable a third of the satellites orbiting Earth... |
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Post by brad on Sept 23, 2017 14:44:28 GMT -6
Just spitballing here... Since the Rapture obviously didn't happen before the Revelation 12 sign happened, I went back and reread Revelation 12. It occurred to me that maybe the three events need to happen in order: the sign of the woman, then the sign of the dragon, then the Rapture. And we haven't seen the sign of the dragon yet. Now since the sign of the woman was both visible and natural, I wondered if the sign of the dragon is also supposed to be visible and natural. But there are no predictable celestial events that would seem to match. However... What if there were a giant solar flare sometime in the next week? Depending on the severity, this could produce aurorae visible all over the globe, not just near the poles. It was but the work of a moment to learn that lower-latitude aurorae appear red. Then I found this interesting article. Here's an excerpt: Since the Sun is in the constellation Virgo right now, the aurora would also appear in or near that constellation. And suppose the solar flare was powerful enough to disable a third of the satellites orbiting Earth...
Reading the text again, may I submit there might just be 4 sequential events?
1- The sign of the woman (done)
2- The sign of the woman going into labor "crying out in pain"
3- The appearance of the Dragon
4- The birth and Rapture of the child.
Here is the text, color coded sequentially to illustrate.12 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
Solar disturbance sure sounds like a good possibility... Check out "Signs in the Sun"... Gary777 has a ton of good insight on this matter!
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Sept 23, 2017 14:55:10 GMT -6
All the wonders in heaven are pictures of events that are taking place in heaven. The woman represents Israel and she birthed Christ and true Christianity comes through her. For this cause, Satan has always desired to end her seed as we are told in Genesis. In the pictures of her in the heavens, we see 1)By her barley and wheat that she brought forth the bread of life; in Joel 1- we see that the bread and barley will perish from Israel. So on one hand from the Christian viewpoint we understand the rapture picture of her, but from scripture we also see by Amos 8, that the bread will disappear at some point.2) again we see her clothed with the sun in the moon, which are all creations of God and that he told us that he would use for signs. Again a good redemption picture of her is that God is using her to send forth signs; yet some of the Jews(Israel) turned to worship the sun and the moon and now much of her is clothed with unrighteousness. 3) another picture is...she gave birth to Jesus and he will rule with a rod of iron and all authority is given to him and it is fixing to take place. The other side of her shows that without Him, satan will be coming after the remnant of Jacob(all that is left of her). This is all what is transpiring in heaven, Satan has been asking to devour all Israel for her misdeeds(both Christian and Jew), and God has made a plan to protect them all(through acceptance of Jesus for Christians and supernatural protection for the Jews)and ALL Authority HAS BEEN handed over to Jesus! Satan is very upset with this decision and knows that his judgment is close and the process is beginning and he is fixing to get kicked out. Michael has been the protector of Israel and has been dealing with him in the heavenlies. Genesis is fixing to culminate as he will go after The rest of her seed in order to hurt the Godhead( heart wise) and portray the Godhead as incapable to save man. But God has told us not to fear him who can kill the body, which is all that Satan can do, and instead fear the one who can kill the soul. Death has already been defeated!! Satan is blinded by anger and cannot get it through his head. There is an old saying". Be careful of a man who has nothing to lose"...he's it. All these pictures in Revelation 12 are a story telling us what is going on in heaven and that our redemption is drawing nigh,....as it is a picture of the wrath of Satan coming up on the earth. Same constellations, Two pictures, blessing and warning. I did not mention the rapture for it will happen when it happens. I believe in it, whenever it may be. I believe the above is why there is a mixture of emotions with people. Inside we,who are believers, are very excited, yet sense there is a great dread coming upon the earth. These days, I'm trying to witness and encourage wherever the Holy Spirit leads me and then pray that my prayers might be put poured out and guaranteed to be received by God, for those in the tribulation, that they might be covered in an extra special way.(revelation 5:8 and revelation 8:3,4. I don't know if those prayers or prayed here or in heaven, so I'm doing it here. The part I highlighted is referring to the famine of the Word. Which by the way, I believe happens because of the rapture, whenever that may be. |
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Post by David Anderson on Sept 24, 2017 5:14:14 GMT -6
I too am becoming more convinced that the firery red dragon is the sun. I've been watching it for years. We are supposed to be in a solar minimum cycle, and it has been rather quiet, but there is a large sunspot starting to turn back around on the Earth facing side. At the rate that the sun spins, if the sunspot holds together, it will be directly Earth facing right around the DoA in 6 days. This sunspot was responsible for several C and M class flares three weeks ago. While the sunspot was on the opposite side of the sun, it flared big time! Ben at suspiciousobservers.com referred to it as a kill shot had it been Earth facing. (I don't care to watch BP earthwatch as he tends to blow things out of proportion)
Luke 21:25-27 seems to coincide with Rev 12:1-5. A sign in the heavens, scary things coming upon our planet, then a rapture.
Yes, the fiery red dragon can pop ejecti that can reach our planet in a matter of hours. This should be a VERY interesting week leading up to the Day of Atonement!
David
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Post by truthseeker on Sept 24, 2017 13:23:11 GMT -6
yes, GP, that's what the scripture reads.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 24, 2017 14:32:46 GMT -6
Whether the dragon is the sun or a sign in the sky, I think on earth we should also start seeing the 7 heads, 7 crowns, and 10 horns come together. The scripture is very specific describing the dragon sign this way. I'm not sure how the sun could fulfill this portion (not saying it can't!) but whatever the dragon is, it needs to fulfill the scripture just as precisely as the the Sign of verses 1 & 2. But yes, I agree that possibly this needs to be the next thing. John wrote the verses in the order he did for a reason. We've ruled out them being simultaneous (unless you hold to the Draco or eclipse theories, but which neither quite satisfy the text imo) and we've *probably* ruled out verse 5 occurring before 3 & 4 (however it COULD still happen before the dragon appears or simultaneously with it.) This week may be a doozy of a week, if the 40 days of testing/repentance between the eclipse and DoA is true, and one week is all that's left. Stay strong, hold fast, and keep watching!
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Post by truthseeker on Sept 24, 2017 23:07:36 GMT -6
Why have people discounted Ophichius as the dragon? It fits the whole bill, yet people still look. I'm am very confused by this. It has been sitting there all along right beside the woman. Someone please explain?!
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Post by waiting4theday on Sept 24, 2017 23:14:13 GMT -6
Hello everyone, a lot has been theorized about what the great red dragon spoken of in Rev 12:3 could possibly be. I have looked at and considered the various theories: planet x, whatever google sky is hiding, possible alignments in stellarium, ect. While all of these theories have merit and I can see how each of these are possibilities I just haven’t found anything that jumps out and gives me that “ah ha!” moment. That was until I was talking with my dad about president Trump during the Sunday night football game lol. I haven’t seen this theory on here yet and if it is already out there then please excuse me I must have missed it  So what is my theory? Well first let’s look at Rev 12:1, this has been fulfilled we know that, it is a literal sign in the heavens exactly as described by John. “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.” Second let’s look at Rev 12:2, some people have said that this part hasn’t been fulfulled yet, that this must be fulfilled next. Well, IMO I just think John is continuing to describe the woman in this verse. “And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” Notice the wording John uses here, it is the same as when he said, “ and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.” It seems to me that he is just continuing to describe her here. I won’t go into detail about how Israel is travailing and in pain for time sake and the fact that there are plenty of posts on this site as well as YT that explain this. Now onto the dragon, let’s now look at Rev 12:3 “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold, a great, fiery red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” Notice here that John does not say a GREAT wonder he just says another wonder. Why would he say that? Well, maybe because this sign does not come from God maybe it is a sign in the heaven made by man (everything God does is great maybe that’s why John didn’t use the word great here). Maybe this is why we cannot find it in stellarium so clearly like we did the Rev 12:1 sign, also I don’t think that planet x is this sign either for multiple reasons which is another topic for another day. Then what is it? Well just think about this, as I mentioned earlier this came to me when I was having a discussion about Trump with my dad. We were talking about how Trump and KJU (Kim Jung Un) are both very serious about their threats against each other. Each of these men are very stubborn, egotistical, and patriotic (I like Trump btw, he does have these character traits, not trying to start anything political here). So what if KJU actually does fire a missile (nuke or something else) that wipes out D.C. killing Trump in the process. Stay with me here. If America falls the whole world economy would likely collapse it would be chaos and a perfect time to usher in the NWO. So how do I get a missile from Rev 12:3? Well think about how it would have had to been describe to John all those years ago when none of this technology existed. Think about how a missile looks when it is fired and is traveling through the air, it has a big fiery red tail. But what about the dragon, the seven heads, the horns, and the crowns? Well think about what this missile would do, would it not usher in the NWO? The NWO would be the last great world empire “With this in mind, there is only one empire remaining which can possibly be construed as having not yet arisen by the Apostle John’s day, and that is the empire of the Antichrist.” This excerpt is from an article on this website endtimestruth.com/new-world-order/the-beast-with-seven-heads-and-ten-horns/ I highly recommend that you read it all to get a better understanding of what I am talking about. An alternative theory to the one on this website is that the dragon and its horns and all represents how the U.N. will divide up power once things get put in place. Either way we can see that this missile would represent Satan’s coming reign (the dragon), why John calls it fiery (it’s a missile), and what the heads, crowns, and horns represent (NWO kingdoms and rulers). If we continue on to Rev 12:4 John goes on to say this: “His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.” Now my theory here is not complete, I just came up with it a few hours ago and just wanted to throw this out there. John is just continuing to describe the dragon (like he did in Rev 12:2 when talking about the woman) and making sure we understand that it is Satan because we know that 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan. And we also know that Satan wants to kill us (the church) much like king Herod wanted to kill Jesus. So maybe he is just using this verse to make sure we know the dragon is Satan and drawing parallels to king Herod and Jesus so we can see the similarities. What I mean is, He (Satan) tried to kill the Head (Jesus) and failed and now he wants to kill the Body (us, the church) and will fail again. One other thought I am having is about the fallen angels being released on to the earth (and threw them to the earth) but I feel the rapture would have to happen before then but maybe not idk. The war in heaven between Satan and Michael is still going on before the rapture and doesn’t end until Satan is cast down after the rapture and Satan brings is angels with him to earth then? I trust you all will help me out with this lol. I am kind of just typing things as they come to me. Now the really exciting part! Rev 12:5 “She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.” Can anyone say rapture verse?!?! Her Child (us, the church) was harpazo raptus raptured caught up to God and His throne. So after the events mentioned above comes the rapture. That is what we got wrong about the Rev 12:1 sign so many of us (me included) thought the rapture would happen then. But we were so blinded with excitement that we didn’t even bother to read a few verses down (also me included). So to summarize: Rev 12:1-2 fulfilled Revelation12:3-4 the fiery red dragon (possibly a missile) yet to be fulfilled Revelation 12:5 We are going home! Like I said, this is just a theory that hit me tonight and seems plausible given the recent exchanges between POTUS and KJU. Trump just said that if KJU keeps it up that he (KJU) won’t be around much longer. I would be willing to bet KJU’s finger is hovering over that button right about now. So there are essentially two things that need to be fulfilled before the rapture: 1) Rev 12:1-2 we can check that off, and then 2) Rev 12:3-4 the fiery red dragon, a possible missile that would look fiery and would represent the NWO (Satan, the last empire, kingdoms, rulers). I am just trying to put myself in John’s shoes of how things were described to him and relating it to modern day. I would love to hear what you guys and gals think about this. I am not discrediting other theories about the 7 days after the Sept. 23 sign I am just presenting another theory (I know everyone has one right lol). This Trump KJU thing could realistically happen this year and I do believe that this year is the year of the rapture but we will just have to wait and see. And if it doesn’t happen this year then that doesn’t and shouldn’t change anything. |
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