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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 14:58:01 GMT -6
This is speculation. By no means am I or anybody else predicting the rapture will occur during the Feast of Tabernacles this year. I would like to discuss the *POSSIBILITY* of Tabernacles being a picture of the rapture. If you come to the conclusion and believe that the rapture WILL take place sometime during the next week or so and it DOESN'T happen, it is YOUR fault and no one else's that you put too much faith in man's understanding and speculation. 😉. As always, prayerfully consider whatever is discussed and search out scripture to see if those things be so. But even if it seems to make sense and fit, please exercise caution with your heart and simply watch.
I actually don't know that much about the Feast of Tabernacles, so don't depend on me for answers. This is for discussion and to pick the brains of everyone who wants to jump in, so we can maybe put it all together. There are several videos out that talk about Tabernacles as potential symbol for the rapture, such as:
And (rough video, bear with it):
Assumptions and questions that need to be addressed:
1) Do Feasts of the Lord have to be fulfilled "in order" with the order being how they were given by the Lord and how they occur during the religious year? Could the Fall feasts be fulfilled in reverse order?
2) it seems up til now Tabernacles has always been written off as a potential Feast that could be fulfilled by the rapture because we have assumed the Millenial reign of Jesus is the only way it can be fulfilled. Could it be fulfilled more than once? 1) Jesus's birth ("the word became flesh and "Tabernacled" among us"); 2) raptured individuals being "hidden in pavilions"; 3) Jesus reigning on Earth
3) The sukkahs (booths/Tabernacles) built and decorated during the Feast ONLY symbolize the Israelites Camping in the wilderness, depending on God's provision and nothing else. Could the sukkahs not symbolize raptured individuals being protected in heaven?
Things that make us go hmmmmm...
1) The Feast is 8 days long: so 1st day Holy convocation and assembly (if I understand correctly) followed by 7 days where the last day is also a holy convocation and assembly. Symbolic of rapture followed by 7 years of trial and ending with final gathering? (I read an article once—I thought in Rev12daily website but I can't for the life of me find it again—that discussed that the Jews understood if their sacrifice at Day of Atonement was ever NOT accepted by God, that "the Day of the Lord" would begin at Tabernacles...)
2) the Feast is about the final harvest of the year. Symbolic of all the harvests of people?
3) Daily during the Feast trumpets are blown and water is poured out. Symbolic of Revelation Trumpet and Bowl Judgments?
4) Weddings often occurred during the Feast and became a common time for bridegrooms to kidnap their wives for consummation and the wedding feast. (I think I read this in that article I can't find, can anybody else confirm?)
5) Jesus' transfiguration on the mount with Elijah and Moses. Peter offered to build sukkahs for them. Was it during Feast of Tabernacles? Could what Jesus said be applied prophetically to a future Feast of Tabernacles?
Feast of Tabernacles begins Wednesday at sunset in Jerusalem according to the calendar, (but should actually begin Thursday at sunset based on the new moon sighting at Yom Teruah), so we don't have long to wait to see about this year.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2017 15:45:50 GMT -6
One thing to add MM:
If the feasts are for the jews and the harpazo is for the church (finally got the right term! corrections coming!), then we may surmise that the feasts have no causal effect on the harpazo.
Which means that the harpazo is not a fulfillment of the feasts. Any of them. So we arent 'fulfilling' them out of order.
There is just a potential 'coincidental' overlapping of the harpazo with a feast; which by process of elimination, could then be Sukkot.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 15:58:14 GMT -6
One thing to add MM: If the feasts are for the jews and the harpazo is for the church (finally got the right term! corrections coming!), then we may surmise that the feasts have no causal effect on the harpazo. Which means that the harpazo is not a fulfillment of the feasts. Any of them. So we arent 'fulfilling' them out of order. There is just a potential 'coincidental' overlapping of the harpazo with a feast; which by process of elimination, could then be Sukkot. So yes, that would be another assumption that you are addressing: whether the rapture of the church even "needs" to occur on a feast or if it does, does it "fulfill" the feast. I'm on the fence about that since the church was "grafted in" to the olive tree that was Israel before she rejected her Messiah. I don't suppose we'll know until the rapture does occur, if it's on a feast or not, how it fulfills or doesn't. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2017 16:25:18 GMT -6
One thing to add MM: If the feasts are for the jews and the harpazo is for the church (finally got the right term! corrections coming!), then we may surmise that the feasts have no causal effect on the harpazo. Which means that the harpazo is not a fulfillment of the feasts. Any of them. So we arent 'fulfilling' them out of order. There is just a potential 'coincidental' overlapping of the harpazo with a feast; which by process of elimination, could then be Sukkot. So yes, that would be another assumption that you are addressing: whether the rapture of the church even "needs" to occur on a feast or if it does, does it "fulfill" the feast. I'm on the fence about that since the church was "grafted in" to the olive tree that was Israel before she rejected her Messiah. I don't suppose we'll know until the rapture does occur, if it's on a feast or not, how it fulfills or doesn't. I believe the harpazo is not required to be on a feast day, though it could be on one. I just corrected as many of my entries where I said the feasts were for the jews not the gentiles to:
The feasts are for the Jews, not the Church.
But that does not preclude the possibility that the harpazo could be on a jewish feast day.
if the above hypothesis is true, then the harpazo does not fulfil any of the Jewish feasts!
The above hypothesis would explain why there was no harpazo on Yom Teruah, notwithstaning any potential date error!
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Post by Natalie on Oct 2, 2017 16:30:48 GMT -6
Sept 23 shows Rev 12:1-2, so if the meteor showers coming up represent verses 3-4, the rapture would follow to be verse 5...and could take place before the feast of tabernacles is over. (But it doesn't have to) As you said, it's all speculation. I am so looking forward to seeing how God works this all out.  I also look forward to watching those videos this evening. |
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Post by linda on Oct 2, 2017 16:33:51 GMT -6
Something that also gives me pause is that a couple of times both Paul and Peter refer to our mortal bodies as "tents" (basically tabernacles).
For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
2 Corinthians 5:4
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Corinthians 5:1
Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me.
2 Peter 1:14
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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2017 16:34:09 GMT -6
caught me in an edit
heh
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2017 17:46:03 GMT -6
Just watched Paul Dawson's video (first one) and it all makes sense. But so did the sign and DoA dates.
But could they be fulfilled in reverse order with the Lord's return as a mirror to Pentecost?
EDIT - the whole piece of Paul's video where the Song of Moses is sung in Rev 15:3 is amazing!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 17:50:14 GMT -6
Something that also gives me pause is that a couple of times both Paul and Peter refer to our mortal bodies as "tents" (basically tabernacles). For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 2 Corinthians 5:4 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Corinthians 5:1 Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. 2 Peter 1:14 Yes, the word translated "tent" in these verses are all related to the Greek root word "skēnos" (Strong's G4636), which also means "tabernacle." For instance, in John 1:14, it's a verb sometimes translated "dwelled" and sometimes "Tabernacled." And it directly relates to the Feast of Tabernacles because John 7:2 uses a form of the word for "Feast of Tabernacles." All the Greek words are Strong's G4633-G4638 Interestingly, the 2 Peter verse is found in a passage where Peter is talking about the transfiguration on the mount, where he asked to build sukkahs for Jesus, Elijah, and Moses: 2Pe 1:12-21 For this reason I will not be negligent to remind you always of these things, though you know and are established in the present truth. Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease. For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 17:52:10 GMT -6
Just watched Paul Dawson's video (first one) and it all makes sense. But so did the sign and DoA dates. But could they be fulfilled in reverse order with the Lord's return as a mirror to Pentecost? Have you seen Barry Scarborough's latest? Pretty intriguing... |
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2017 17:58:34 GMT -6
I have not watched it. Will try later, but over in Paul Dawson's Berean thread he just posted about the three feasts being fulfilled in reverse order, worth the two minutes to read.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 18:11:02 GMT -6
Interesting "tabernacle" verses in Old Testament (Strong's H168, "ohel"):
Psalm 15
A Psalm of David.
LORD, who may abide in Your tabernacle?
Who may dwell in Your holy hill?
He who walks uprightly,
And works righteousness,
And speaks the truth in his heart;
He who does not backbite with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor does he take up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a vile person is despised,
But he honors those who fear the LORD;
He who swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He who does not put out his money at usury,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things shall never be moved.
Psalm 19:1
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world.
In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
Psalm 27:4-6
One thing I have desired of the LORD,
That will I seek:
That I may dwell in the house of the LORD
All the days of my life,
To behold the beauty of the LORD,
And to inquire in His temple.
For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion (H5520, "cok");
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.
And now my head shall be lifted up above my enemies all around me;
Therefore I will offer sacrifices of joy in His tabernacle;
I will sing, yes, I will sing praises to the LORD.
(Other interesting word choices)
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 18:50:50 GMT -6
I have not watched it. Will try later, but over in Paul Dawson's Berean thread he just posted about the three feasts being fulfilled in reverse order, worth the two minutes to read. Maybe we should tell paulwatchmandawson to come over here to share his wisdom. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 18:57:56 GMT -6
Check this Psalm out! It's like everybody's prayer right now!
Psalm 43
Vindicate me, O God,
And plead my cause against an ungodly nation;
Oh, deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man!
For You are the God of my strength;
Why do You cast me off?
Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?
Oh, send out Your light and Your truth!
Let them lead me;
Let them bring me to Your holy hill
And to Your tabernacle.
Then I will go to the altar of God,
To God my exceeding joy;
And on the harp I will praise You,
O God, my God.
Why are you cast down, O my soul?
And why are you disquieted within me?
Hope in God;
For I shall yet praise Him,
The help of my countenance and my God.
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2017 19:17:08 GMT -6
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