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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:10:25 GMT -6
My hypothesis is fall 2023, maybe even Yom Teruah...  That fits with my pre-wrath leaning..ha ha! The sign of the Woman in Labor points to the Birth...the Birth is where the action lies, not the Labor, at least as I understand it, but could very well be wrong! Appreciate your input sam! its not about being right or wrong, its about sharing ideas, and seeing if we can build a viable model from them! I could not agree more........your statement is exactly right....it's not about who is right or wrong, it's about sharing ideas with a mutual desire to know the truth. Personally, my focus is not on the harpazo....but, on the onset of the 70th week of Daniel, since we are given events and day counts that relate to the 70th week which are observable...... |
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Post by nana on Oct 1, 2017 15:14:50 GMT -6
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Post by nana on Oct 1, 2017 15:32:38 GMT -6
I like the this thread and I am definitely looking forward to hearing what others are thinking. It is clear that some of our presuppositions have not borne out. I simply cannot believe we cannot we are not in the ballpark. I do not believe this sign was a coincidence, nor do I believe the eclipse on the 1st of Elul, passing through 7 salems was merely a coincidence. All I know for sure at the moment is our redemption is close, I certainly look forward to insight from brothers and sisters wiser than myself. I believe we are in the ballpark. I believe we are in error thinking the harpazo will occur on a specific feast day. This is borne out by observing that the harpazo is for everyone, but the feast days are only for the jews. (and I am probably still not saying that right). Therefore, a feast day cannot dictate a harpazo date. But we know we are in the season because scripture says that those who watch will know (at the very least) the season. We see the signs that preclude the harpazo and Trib (Matt 24 and others). We have seen the fulfilment of Rev 12:1 (and possibly 2 is imminent). I believe nana (inadvertently?) implied that the Rev 12:3-4 sign could coincide with the Rev 12:2 sign (travailing of Israel) sometime in the next few days/weeks. With all the natural catastrophes and earthquakes and signs in the heavens occurring with such a saturation of frequency, I find it impossible to take a position that the harpazo is indeed not going to happen any time soon. That is, the harpazo isnt 'imminent', its here! Time is up. Make your final preparations, with the assumption that you may not get to complete them. Yes, watch for "a deal with many" in the coming weeks. They have been quietly putting this together for the past several months. |
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Post by james on Oct 1, 2017 16:30:24 GMT -6
I believe we are in the ballpark. I believe we are in error thinking the harpazo will occur on a specific feast day. This is borne out by observing that the harpazo is for everyone, but the feast days are only for the jews. (and I am probably still not saying that right). Therefore, a feast day cannot dictate a harpazo date. But we know we are in the season because scripture says that those who watch will know (at the very least) the season. We see the signs that preclude the harpazo and Trib (Matt 24 and others). We have seen the fulfilment of Rev 12:1 (and possibly 2 is imminent). I believe nana (inadvertently?) implied that the Rev 12:3-4 sign could coincide with the Rev 12:2 sign (travailing of Israel) sometime in the next few days/weeks. With all the natural catastrophes and earthquakes and signs in the heavens occurring with such a saturation of frequency, I find it impossible to take a position that the harpazo is indeed not going to happen any time soon. That is, the harpazo isnt 'imminent', its here! Time is up. Make your final preparations, with the assumption that you may not get to complete them. Yes, watch for "a deal with many" in the coming weeks. They have been quietly putting this together for the past several months. I feel I should add onto this, the President has been seriously pushing for a "deal of the century", the ambassadors announced a few days back that they were going to remain in Israel through Sukkot, and the person in charge of the deal and negotiations is Kushner, who is on many people's short list for possible Antichrist candidates. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 1, 2017 16:40:30 GMT -6
Yes, watch for "a deal with many" in the coming weeks. They have been quietly putting this together for the past several months. I feel I should add onto this, the President has been seriously pushing for a "deal of the century", the ambassadors announced a few days back that they were going to remain in Israel through Sukkot, and the person in charge of the deal and negotiations is Kushner, who is on many people's short list for possible Antichrist candidates. There is going to be a lot of buy-in from the 10 governments (horns) that make up the G7 (heads) on this agreement. |
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Post by brian on Oct 1, 2017 16:42:29 GMT -6
Great discussion guys! So many things happening and dates and timelines all lining up, how anyone can even consider using the word coincidence is beyond me. I'm going to have to buy another calendar just for prophecy watching, and it will be my fullest calendar!!
I agree we have to be very close now!
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Post by james on Oct 1, 2017 16:42:43 GMT -6
I feel I should add onto this, the President has been seriously pushing for a "deal of the century", the ambassadors announced a few days back that they were going to remain in Israel through Sukkot, and the person in charge of the deal and negotiations is Kushner, who is on many people's short list for possible Antichrist candidates. There is going to be a lot of buy-in from the 10 governments (horns) that make up the G7 (heads) on this agreement.I've also wondered I've also wondered a bit about the idea that perhaps the dragon with seven heads and ten horns might refer to the idea of the ten kingdoms of the one-world government, spread across the seven continents? |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 1, 2017 16:43:59 GMT -6
Appreciate your input sam! its not about being right or wrong, its about sharing ideas, and seeing if we can build a viable model from them! I could not agree more........your statement is exactly right....it's not about who is right or wrong, it's about sharing ideas with a mutual desire to know the truth. Personally, my focus is not on the harpazo....but, on the onset of the 70th week of Daniel, since we are given events and day counts that relate to the 70th week which are observable...... If you could make your information and observations available in a thread, it might be very very helpful for those who must endure the Tribulation... |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 1, 2017 16:52:53 GMT -6
There is going to be a lot of buy-in from the 10 governments (horns) that make up the G7 (heads) on this agreement. I've also wondered I've also wondered a bit about the idea that perhaps the dragon with seven heads and ten horns might refer to the idea of the ten kingdoms of the one-world government, spread across the seven continents? No one knows for sure yet. I postulate this, because I can verify the count and it makes sense from a Revelation 13 standpoint. References to 'the sea' have historically been interpreted to masses of people. Most places, the people choose their governments (in one way or another). Therefore it follows that governments come from the people (declaration of independence reference). Hence, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is made up of governments. The G7 fits the pattern. Take a look at the wikipedia article below, and see if you don't see something striking: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7Go the 'leaders' subsection and look carefully at who is on the list. How would you describe the character/characteristics of the people shown? How have you heard them described by others? Does something smell a little 'fishy' to you? It does to me! |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 1, 2017 16:53:42 GMT -6
Great discussion guys! So many things happening and dates and timelines all lining up, how anyone can even consider using the word coincidence is beyond me. I'm going to have to buy another calendar just for prophecy watching, and it will be my fullest calendar!! I agree we have to be very close now! A spreadsheet like MS Excel or OpenOffice Calc works nicely for what your plan is. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 17:06:07 GMT -6
I could not agree more........your statement is exactly right....it's not about who is right or wrong, it's about sharing ideas with a mutual desire to know the truth. Personally, my focus is not on the harpazo....but, on the onset of the 70th week of Daniel, since we are given events and day counts that relate to the 70th week which are observable...... If you could make your information and observations available in a thread, it might be very very helpful for those who must endure the Tribulation... I understand.....when I joined this blog, I committed to not creating debate on pre-trib vs pre-wrath......and I will continue to honor that commitment. What I have done is to direct those interested in studying an alternative view to books authored by others, some of which are acquaintances: "Rapture, Case Closed?" Nelson Walters "Antichrist Before the Day of the Lord" Alan Kurschner "Prewrath Rapture of the Church" Marvin Rosenthal Otherwise, the videos I have made available on youtube do not emphasize the rapture, more than the recognition of, and the internal structure of the 70th week, and how they may or may not correlate to the celestial arrangements from 2017-2024. Any believer of any rapture viewpoint could possibly relate, as they do not demand a particular rapture viewpoint. I believe firmly that we should not focus on rapture as much as 70th week onset....but, that is only my belief! Shalom! |
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Post by james on Oct 1, 2017 18:09:12 GMT -6
I had a hunch this evening, and fired up Stellarium. Guess what I found?
During the week of the Feast of Tabernacles/Sukkot, the moon crosses underneath Draco (the dragon). Over his head is Heracles on one knee, fighting snakes. (Michael fights the dragon, they can't overcome eachother.) Over Draco's head is Bootes (In Homer's Oddessy, he's the plowman, the Ox-driver. Ten stars, ten horns?) And Corona Borealis (the crown, seven stars, seven crowns)
(Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.)
Guess what happens all through this time? Underneath Draco, you have meteor showers all through Sukkot (Oct 4- Oct 11)
(Revelation 12: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth)
Sextanids: 9 Sept to 9 Oct, Peak 27 Sept
Orionids: 2 Oct to 7 Nov, Peak 21 Oct
Southern Taurids: 10 Sept to 20 Nov, Peak Oct 10
Draconids: 6 Oct to 10 Oct, Peak 8 Oct
Aurigids: 18 Sept to 10 Oct, Peak 28 Sept
Andromidids: 25 Sept to 6 Dec, Peak 9 Nov
Northern Taurids: 25 Sept to 25 Nov, Peak 12 Nov
Autumn Arielids: 7 Sept to 27 Oct, Peak 8 Oct
And all through Sukkot, the moon runs right through the middle of all of the meteor showers. Marking the time and place just like it did on the 23-24th. Sure looks to me like a third of the stars would be falling from the sky from underneath Draco (the dragon's tail).
After all of that, guess what the next lines are?
Revelation 12: 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
PS: At the end of Sukkot, Mars and Venus are at the shoulder of Virgo, where the sun was on the 23-24th.
(Revelation 12: 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.)
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Post by sawdy on Oct 1, 2017 18:58:13 GMT -6
I've also wondered a bit about the idea that perhaps the dragon with seven heads and ten horns might refer to the idea of the ten kingdoms of the one-world government, spread across the seven continents? No one knows for sure yet. I postulate this, because I can verify the count and it makes sense from a Revelation 13 standpoint. References to 'the sea' have historically been interpreted to masses of people. Most places, the people choose their governments (in one way or another). Therefore it follows that governments come from the people (declaration of independence reference). Hence, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is made up of governments. The G7 fits the pattern. Take a look at the wikipedia article below, and see if you don't see something striking: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7Go the 'leaders' subsection and look carefully at who is on the list. How would you describe the character/characteristics of the people shown? How have you heard them described by others? Does something smell a little 'fishy' to you? It does to me! I don't know if we want to start a new thread describing the traits of G7 leaders, it is a whole topic in itself. If we do, I can write the bio section on Justin Trudeau. |
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Post by nana on Oct 1, 2017 19:07:13 GMT -6
I've also wondered a bit about the idea that perhaps the dragon with seven heads and ten horns might refer to the idea of the ten kingdoms of the one-world government, spread across the seven continents? No one knows for sure yet. I postulate this, because I can verify the count and it makes sense from a Revelation 13 standpoint. References to 'the sea' have historically been interpreted to masses of people. Most places, the people choose their governments (in one way or another). Therefore it follows that governments come from the people (declaration of independence reference). Hence, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is made up of governments. The G7 fits the pattern. Take a look at the wikipedia article below, and see if you don't see something striking: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7Go the 'leaders' subsection and look carefully at who is on the list. How would you describe the character/characteristics of the people shown? How have you heard them described by others? Does something smell a little 'fishy' to you? It does to me! Have you ever read the book titles: En Route To Global Occupation by Gary Kah, if not it is a very interesting read.
garykah.com/bk1.html
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Post by yardstick on Oct 1, 2017 19:18:19 GMT -6
No one knows for sure yet. I postulate this, because I can verify the count and it makes sense from a Revelation 13 standpoint. References to 'the sea' have historically been interpreted to masses of people. Most places, the people choose their governments (in one way or another). Therefore it follows that governments come from the people (declaration of independence reference). Hence, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns is made up of governments. The G7 fits the pattern. Take a look at the wikipedia article below, and see if you don't see something striking: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7Go the 'leaders' subsection and look carefully at who is on the list. How would you describe the character/characteristics of the people shown? How have you heard them described by others? Does something smell a little 'fishy' to you? It does to me! Have you ever read the book titles: En Route To Global Occupation by Gary Kah, if not it is a very interesting read.
garykah.com/bk1.html
I have not. Thanks for posting a link |
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That fits with my pre-wrath leaning..ha ha! The sign of the Woman in Labor points to the Birth...the Birth is where the action lies, not the Labor, at least as I understand it, but could very well be wrong!
