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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 11, 2019 7:42:35 GMT -6
cw, your dissertation reminded me of this scene:
“Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15“Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
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Post by venge on May 11, 2019 10:15:22 GMT -6
I’m reminded that in the end days, the love of many grows cold. Could this unlovable people not want to use money to help others but only themselves?
Then I think of the man on the street corner who begs and the Pharisees walk by. But the Samaritan helps the poor man.
Even in this country, we are being an America first country. Withdrawing all monetary support to others in need when we are rich and they are poor.... And how we tax others with trade in order to get better deals. Under the guise of competition. Yet we turn our head from the weak. And money holds on it the picture of the kingdom that it’s under
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 11, 2019 11:56:03 GMT -6
well, now, venge, This is a bit of a broad statement because I see our country always the first or at least the most relied upon to come to aid in relief. What country has the kind of missionaries representing their country? England? Italy? Russia? Brazil? Canada? Not that our government represents the missionaries, and certainly they don't "support" specific religious causes, yet allow for a financial exemption. What other country even considers this? Our country is the really only country where Freedom of Religion tries to exist. And, in places where government "provides everything" I see an oppressive state of people not allowed the freedom to express their Faith in God and desire to use their financial resources to tithe or help the distraught. I am trying to be broad without being political. I would rather see an independent strong America, peace thru strength, then a watered down version of America that mirrors the very things we have historically fought against in the past 100 years, that will eventually suppress its people, disarm them, and basically replace God as their provider.
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Post by davewatchman on May 12, 2019 9:58:00 GMT -6
probably could have phrased that better, I think you did a great job, excellent note. sorry on my phone and short on time lol Aren't we all? Short on time that is. I can't believe you wrote all this on a phone. If the Apocalypse isn't here by June, I should get me one of those. The mark isn’t coming, it’s already here and has been for a long time. You sound like you have the makings of a good Historicist in you. "Sell in May, And go away. “For they say when you marry in June, You’re a bride all your life.” Historically, June has always been the most popular month for weddings. There are many ideas of why this month is so popular… The month of June derives its name from Juno, the Roman goddess of marriage. It was thought that couples who married in June would be blessed with prosperity and happiness. Also, ancient tradition promoted it would be most unlucky to marry in the month of May because in Roman times the Feast of the Dead and the Festival of the Goddess of Chastity both occurred in May. (I doubt that husbands would be too inclined to want their new partners mourning lost loves on their honeymoon!) The real reason in today’s economy may be far more practical. If a person marries in June, he or she is considered to have been a married person for the whole financial year: July 1 to June 30. As a married person was thought to have greater obligations than a single person, the rate of income tax collected was lower. So by marrying in June, a lower rate of income tax would be applied to the year’s earnings, and a substantial refund would be received. This was traditionally used to defray the costs of the honeymoon. June Bride (1948) The 1948 movie “June Bride,” starring Bette Davis and Robert Montgomery, reinforced the connection of weddings and the month of June. tscpl.org/weddings/say-marry-june-youre-bride-life
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Post by venge on May 12, 2019 12:07:29 GMT -6
well, now, venge , This is a bit of a broad statement because I see our country always the first or at least the most relied upon to come to aid in relief. What country has the kind of missionaries representing their country? England? Italy? Russia? Brazil? Canada? Not that our government represents the missionaries, and certainly they don't "support" specific religious causes, yet allow for a financial exemption. What other country even considers this? Our country is the really only country where Freedom of Religion tries to exist. And, in places where government "provides everything" I see an oppressive state of people not allowed the freedom to express their Faith in God and desire to use their financial resources to tithe or help the distraught. I am trying to be broad without being political. I would rather see an independent strong America, peace thru strength, then a watered down version of America that mirrors the very things we have historically fought against in the past 100 years, that will eventually suppress its people, disarm them, and basically replace God as their provider. It is relief upon for aid because we have so much. I am not talking of missionaries and what they do, I am speaking of the country itself. Other countries do things for others and can be generous. I am saying this country aught to do so as God will bless that nation that does so. God can prosper nations and he can destroy them. I think in some ways, we are going the wrong way. I speak this of our politics...not our missions outreach which does serve in many agendas (Bibles + translations, food, clothing, housing, soul winning etc..) worldwide.
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Post by yardstick on May 12, 2019 12:34:49 GMT -6
CWOOD85 To follow on your excellent analysis cwood85 , Did not Christ say that we cannot serve God and Mammon? And he said the rich have their consolation but hardly will a rich man enter the kingdom of God. It is the poor who are not addicted to money that are free from its grip. And again he said to his disciples to sell all you have and follow me to teach them not to be a slave to things of this world, and again he said the women who threw in 2 mites that she done more then all the rich had put in. Again, Is not money the root of all evil?Lust, envy, coveting... It is difficult. Is it the mark....spiritually, I can see it in the forehead and right hand where we should place God. Is this why those with the mark cry when they cannot buy those things pleasant to their eyes? Is this the humbling of the wealthy and powerful that believe their money will save them in the end but Christ said it will not save any! Without intending to split hairs, I think the passage says it is the love of money that is the root of all evil...
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Post by davewatchman on May 12, 2019 14:34:35 GMT -6
It is relief upon for aid because we have so much. I am not talking of missionaries and what they do, I am speaking of the country itself. Other countries do things for others and can be generous. I am saying this country aught to do so as God will bless that nation that does so. God can prosper nations and he can destroy them. Why do you think that is? Why are we the only ones to put a man on the moon? Why are we able to spend more money on one air craft carrier than Iran can spend on an annual defense budget? Why do we have 18 Ohio class submarines when it only would take one to destroy the whole planet? If it is, as you say, "God can prosper nations and He can destroy them. I love this picture. USS Michigan. Navy Seals in the water bottom left. That MUST be fun. I'll try a google on United States foreign aid: Survey says: 50 BILLIONMy main reason for posting, why i'm concerned about where the USA is in the Bible, is that i think we are much deeper into Revelation's narrative than we even know. I think in some ways, we are going the wrong way. With this we agree. But it was baked in the cake, and the cake has culminated. In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. There were four blood moons and God was opening up a new continent. That continent would become the "earth" who would help the "woman", help God's People. A place that was prepared by God. Never before was there a nation complete with a "Bible Belt." When previously, in the dark days of Medieval Europe, it was illegal to own one. I made this discovery during the summer of 2015 in this thread here: www.christianforums.com/threads/days-of-lot-abomination-that-makes-desolate.7897896/That was very exciting. I post the link here because it has a time stamp, the messages are dated. Then i wrote this note on it, it is dated August 21, 2016: "Standing in the Holy Place:www.christianforums.com/blogs/standing-in-the-holy-place.52401/Then i found a couple of other guys who also think that the USA is the "earth" who helped the woman in Revelation 12. James Rafferty in 2016:And in 2017, Michael from On Point:And finally just this week, i found another. I couldn't believe it. It's a PDF from 1936. I still can't believe that it's from 1936. And the author is saying that the USA is the "earth" who helped the "woman." I just found it this week by accident, out of a 91 page PDF. A History of the True Religion Traced From 33 A.D. to DateI find the language of his second paragraph strangely similar to my 2016 note; 1936: “The earth helped the woman, Revelation 12:16. As previously stated, a new nation had been born, and was the only place of refuge for the persecuted followers of Jesus. 2016: The first nation on the planet complete with a "Bible belt" was to be born when it was previously illegal to be caught with one. I wonder if Andy Dugger would have liked that part about: "Like a solid rocket booster on the space shuttle Discovery, wing # 1 was used up during the 1260 years of papal persecution from 538 to 1798. Wing # 2 is still burning it's propellant pending the beast's 42 months of end time authority. Pay Pal Persecution Propellant Pending. Peter Piper picked a Peck of Pickled Peppers. Sorry about that Looking at the picture of the Pastors Wife who was run over and buried alive by a bulldozer in China. I was going to make my note about that, but then decided against it. It's the woman's offspring that is being made war on now. Those who keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus.
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Post by canada on May 12, 2019 16:00:57 GMT -6
That is history Dave ... I can see why you follow Revelation through the eyes of "historicism".
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Post by venge on May 13, 2019 7:03:15 GMT -6
CWOOD85 To follow on your excellent analysis cwood85 , Did not Christ say that we cannot serve God and Mammon? And he said the rich have their consolation but hardly will a rich man enter the kingdom of God. It is the poor who are not addicted to money that are free from its grip. And again he said to his disciples to sell all you have and follow me to teach them not to be a slave to things of this world, and again he said the women who threw in 2 mites that she done more then all the rich had put in. Again, Is not money the root of all evil?Lust, envy, coveting... It is difficult. Is it the mark....spiritually, I can see it in the forehead and right hand where we should place God. Is this why those with the mark cry when they cannot buy those things pleasant to their eyes? Is this the humbling of the wealthy and powerful that believe their money will save them in the end but Christ said it will not save any! Without intending to split hairs, I think the passage says it is the love of money that is the root of all evil... You are correct and that was my intention. Of course money always existed and still does today. I thought that was implied when I spoke of lust, envy and addiction as I didn’t condemn anyone like the poor women for having money.
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Post by davewatchman on May 20, 2019 11:46:04 GMT -6
That is history Dave ... I can see why you follow Revelation through the eyes of "historicism". Through the eyes of for sure. And even though i'm not a card carrying historicist, i don't know the secret handshake or am in possession of the secret decoder ring, it's nice to know that i can hang out with some of the heavy weights of "historicism".
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Post by donttakesixes on Jun 19, 2019 9:02:19 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Jun 19, 2019 13:07:45 GMT -6
IMHO, I don't think the mark is going to be something that is as recognizable as sixes or 600, 60 and 6. It needs to be something a Christian can understand to stay away from that an unsaved would not know. 666 is known in many countries in the world for the devil to many unsaved. Its in the movies. A number never condemned someone. Spiritual worship did. Taking the number is worship and so the number acceptance to things contrary to God and I think that will be pretty evident to a truly faithful servant.
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Post by mike on Jun 19, 2019 14:02:32 GMT -6
Understand your desire for those left behind to not accept any mark of any kind. Please refrain from posting the link to the song in multiple threads. Welcome to the forum
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Post by leon3357 on Jul 16, 2019 8:08:39 GMT -6
Saw this today...https://nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/ Always wondered if this is how the mark of the beast will present itself..............
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Post by venge on Jul 17, 2019 15:47:00 GMT -6
Saw this today...https://nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/ Always wondered if this is how the mark of the beast will present itself.............. Na, Old 1970-80 movies...fake news.
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