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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 9:16:51 GMT -6
Ok...admittedly this story is out there...even for me😀. But please hang with me here and think about the predictive programming here and why this transhumanism is being pushed so hard within the last few years. This fella is apparently a rapper claiming to be a clone that escaped from the cloning facility. He also just had an implant inserted into his hand by a company, paradism.org , that is pushing trans-humanism and robots saving humanity. Cloning facility that he claims to have escaped from...www.clonaid.com. CNN ran a story that Clonaid cloned a baby boy in 2003. www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americas/01/23/clonaid.claim/The technology to clone everything from animals to humans has been around far longer than we would like to admit or think about. Obviously this is a tool and attempt of satan to try and circumvent God’s creation power . I have no idea if this guy is telling the truth with his claims and honestly it doesn’t matter to me about his particular story. The thing that catches my eye here is that there is a reason these types of story are being pushed so frequently. If the Lord tarries, Clones and trans humanism are going to be in our face and something that we have to navigate as Christians. Way too many moral and ethical questions will arise from this new dilemma and none of them seem to line up with God’s plan for humanity. Just spit balling here with you guys.... would clones be modern day Nephilim? Would a clone have a soul or be able to receive Salvation? Just wondering what other believers felt about this.
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2018 9:51:49 GMT -6
Soup I didnt watch the video, at least not now or yet. My thought on cloning is I would be surprised if the Lord allowed it for the reasons you state. He created everything after its own kind and put the seed in each to produce afterwards. I do realize the sheep thing was cloned several years back...wonder how the Lord felt at that time? Not like He was surprised but nonetheless. None can say for certain. We cloned a human, does that make them human? Do they have a soul? Hope we never find out
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2018 9:59:06 GMT -6
Cloning is not something I know very much about. Maybe someone can explain what is involved. How would it be different from something like invitro fertilization?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 11:42:55 GMT -6
Cloning is not something I know very much about. Maybe someone can explain what is involved. How would it be different from something like invitro fertilization? Well Natalie...when a man and a women love each other very much they can express their love through a physical....JK. That was my paraphrasing of the birds and the bees talk I got as a kid. Eww. The main difference is that in-vitro still requires male and female cells to reproduce the embryo which in turn recreate the natural conception, even if the embryo is formed in a laboratory. Cloning only requires DNA from an organism. No reproduction required.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2018 11:52:56 GMT -6
LOL, soup. I have three kids, so I understand a little. I think I get it - for cloning they can somehow extract the DNA from a cell and use that, therefore bypassing how God set up things to create life. Whereas, something like invitro it's just helping the natural process along. I would think they would still be human because of the DNA but with humans trying to play God in how the person was created.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2018 12:02:59 GMT -6
Have you heard of CRISPR? I don't understand a lot about it either, but I know if has to deal with the manipulating of DNA. I suppose there are scientists who would want to use it with cloning to create "perfect" humans. Not a good idea. I watched a movie like that once.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 12:04:42 GMT -6
LOL, soup. I have three kids, so I understand a little. I think I get it - for cloning they can somehow extract the DNA from a cell and use that, therefore bypassing how God set up things to create life. Whereas, something like invitro it's just helping the natural process along. I would think they would still be human because of the DNA but with humans trying to play God in how the person was created. That’s right Nat. Another issue with clones would be that they aren’t a new life, meaning how a child takes dna from the male and female. A clone is basically a just copy of the original host and not a new birth like a child. Your children are a combination of you and your husband. A clone of Natalie would be a Natalie 2.0 with your exact dna makeup supposedly. Similar to how a piece of paper is copied on a copier.
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2018 12:25:58 GMT -6
Lord come quickly!
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Post by kjs on Oct 5, 2018 18:18:41 GMT -6
I have been living in under a rock I guess cause I did not think they had ever done a human clone.... even though I have heard of animal clones..... Clonaid
based on the opening page, it sounds like they have several human clones in existence .... though they insist the will not disclose who was cloned (it appears Michael Jackson potentially had one made) even scarier is their sister company called stemaid -- which is exactly how you suspect, using stem cells for diseases / anti-aging / organ replacement ..... very scary time folks ..... But God is in control! Here is the deal, trying to think logically and no I have no proof one way or another..... But if we assume that only children through the natural process can have souls .... then while clones may "live" as in physical life ... They would never have a conscience .... so would never would really live. I suspect these clones or the clone bodies are simply "houses" for demons so any conscience a clone shows would simply be a demon..... can an demon be saved -- I do not thinks so.... well did did a scare anyone with these thoughts? I simply do not think a clone can have a conscience and definitely no soul.....
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