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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 8:43:37 GMT -6
after reading kjs post about stopping the condemnation and reading all week about "well it might be this, or it could be that", my nerves are frazzled and I want to crawl in a hole. I've even read on a reddit where one redditor was mad because he/she had to go to work yesterday because the world didn't end over the weekend! There are non-christians who follow this stuff that want it all to end just so they don't have to endure the hell they are living in now. Is that crazy or what? Anyway, I wanted to say something, but I didn't know what, so I just...prayed. They should be careful what they wish for... |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 26, 2017 10:54:08 GMT -6
I love this thread! The unbelievers are easy, they are speaking of things that they do not understand, and they are fulfilling prophecy.
What is frustrating is brothers and sisters who are coming along with prideful condescension. This has been a group of folks testing things against scripture, honestly and urgently seeking God's truth and wisdom. So it is very frustrating for Monday morning quarterbacks to arrive taking verses out of context or applying humanist or secular principles. Thank you for this thread!
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Post by cwood85 on Sept 26, 2017 13:15:07 GMT -6
"I have been wondering if we might be at the point of Revelation 5 here. The Revelation 12:1-2 sign has happened. Now take a look at the beginnings of the great unsealing of the scroll in heaven...
Revelation 5:1-4 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside.
Could it be possible we are in this moment of time right now? Of course, I'm speculating, but wouldn't it be amazing if this were happening in heaven right now as we here on earth are feeling many emotions as the rapture has not yet occurred?
If that is so, could it also be possible then that our Lord is preparing to take the scroll in heaven and begin its unsealing?
Revelation 5:5-8 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb.
And if that is so, could it also be that our prayers are about to be presented as incense in heaven?
Revelation 5:8 Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.
What if our prayers could be in those very golden bowls spoken of in this passage as we wait for the Lord's plan to continue unfolding?":
Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/955/stop-condemnations#ixzz4tnoZ0EqY
I do not think you are speculating at all whatif. In fact, I think we are right now witnessing Revelation 12, verses 3-4 right now. This is just my opinion. Look at what is going on in the world, the forces of evil are on overdrive. Kim Jong Un, is like a reflection of Satan: evil, liar, deceptive, full of pride, feels he is worthy of worship, wants all who oppose him dead and tortured. Meanwhile Trump (who is no saint, but wants to protect his country and allies) is bickering and threatening back. Good and evil going back and fourth over and over, but getting more intense by the day.
Again this is just what I think, but when Jesus said there will wars and rumors of wars, that it meant on heaven and earth. It says in the bible Satan is the accuser, day and night. You better believe he is up there threatening and accusing day and night.
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Post by cshaffer on Sept 26, 2017 13:32:02 GMT -6
I agree, there needs to be more love between the two groups. Those that believed in the "sign" and those who didnt. I will say, there were alot of people who did
believe in signs bashing those who didnt. I heard constantly "they are just mockers". I would venture to say they were not just quoting scripture but name calling,
which Jesus says not to do in Matthew 5:22. It is crazy how riled up so many got over this but I saw it from both sides of the fence.
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Post by stormyknight on Sept 26, 2017 14:06:21 GMT -6
welcome, cshaffer, I does my heart good to see more and more new members here. I keep seeing high numbers "viewing", but only a few members online. I hope more people aren't too hesitant to join because of the division. If anyone reading this is not a member yet, don't be discouraged, remember Matt 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." We are here because of Jesus, so are we not here in his Name? Come and be with us also, but, pray, always pray that the Father guides us through the Holy Spirit. |
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 26, 2017 17:58:08 GMT -6
"I have been wondering if we might be at the point of Revelation 5 here. The Revelation 12:1-2 sign has happened. Now take a look at the beginnings of the great unsealing of the scroll in heaven...
Revelation 5:1-4 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside.
Could it be possible we are in this moment of time right now? Of course, I'm speculating, but wouldn't it be amazing if this were happening in heaven right now as we here on earth are feeling many emotions as the rapture has not yet occurred?
If that is so, could it also be possible then that our Lord is preparing to take the scroll in heaven and begin its unsealing?
Revelation 5:5-8 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb.
And if that is so, could it also be that our prayers are about to be presented as incense in heaven?
Revelation 5:8 Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.
What if our prayers could be in those very golden bowls spoken of in this passage as we wait for the Lord's plan to continue unfolding?":
Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/955/stop-condemnations#ixzz4tnoZ0EqY
I do not think you are speculating at all whatif . In fact, I think we are right now witnessing Revelation 12, verses 3-4 right now. This is just my opinion. Look at what is going on in the world, the forces of evil are on overdrive. Kim Jong Un, is like a reflection of Satan: evil, liar, deceptive, full of pride, feels he is worthy of worship, wants all who oppose him dead and tortured. Meanwhile Tr ump (who is no saint, but wants to protect his country and allies) is bickering and threatening back. Good and evil going back and fourth over and over, but getting more intense by the day.
Again this is just what I think, but when Jesus said there will wars and rumors of wars, that it meant on heaven and earth. It says in the bible Satan is the accuser, day and night. You better believe he is up there threatening and accusing day and night.
I think exact same cwood! I think verse 1 and 2 are "fulfilled" as the completed sign has been shown, to the entire world, in the sky. Time marches forward and prophesy continues to pass! Only thing I would caution people, is like same with the Revelation 12 Sign. Watch as much as one wants, speculate to our heart's desire on what is being fulfilled, how we think it is being fulfilled, and all of that good stuff that makes people like us "watchmen on the wall". Make sure though, that we keep our sights FIRST set on GOD. And then the rest. Do that, and I can guarantee that one won't be disappointed when things don't happen "exact" like we think. Me, you, whatif, Scottie Clark, and every single person who is a "watchman" or who is a teacher/pastor... they merely belong to Jesus, same as us "commoners". No one is more "right" than any other person. For the "big names" especially, I know how difficult this may be for even themselves to digest and believe... but they are WRONG. Everyone is equally wrong. Thank goodness it is not about that, and that is not what gets us in to Heaven. What does... our belief in Jesus. And for those so in love with Yeshua, and who are after His Very Heart... just that I think they will be rewarded based upon intention. Not about how accurate their thoughts were. But how much they intentionally seek the Father, the Son, The Holy Spiirt and the genuineness with which they do it (example: do they do it for $$$ or do they do it because they are out of control in love with Him and want other's to know Him too). Things like that.  If only we humans could be more receptive to the idea that we are wrong, wrong, wrong. If only we would leave all of humanity on the same "level" instead of elevating some to almost "deity" status and worshipping them, then other's are middle of the road, and then others still we put in the street urchin category. It's (NOT... oops) what Jesus intended for His Church to be. As I just wrote that though, just that my own sin started up... because without even trying my mind just went THERE... to thinking of the Rick Warren's of the world and those who I consider to be impure of heart at least and complete unbelievers at most. And then like The Holy Spirit was whispering in my mind... "See Tiffany. This is why it would never work. You sin and you don't even know it. This is why you all need me to lead you, and soon to take away your sin." So, just to try our best I guess. And realize that God told us we would be living as in the days of Noah for a reason! And boy oh boy, are we! Even to the point where believers scoff at and make fun of each other. And we all think that we know it all, that what we think is the only accurate way. (Just saying, don't let satan use that to deceive either. There is ONE WAY to God and ONE WAY only... Jesus who IS Salvation. The details though... we all of us should try and be more respectful to other people, knowing that chances are that ALL of us are wrong lol.) As for time and prophesy marching on... I personally believe there are some UGLY things going on in the world. North Korea... it is one. But most of the junk we see on the news, IMO, is distraction, distraction, distraction. And all of it, imo, orchestrated. Very sad but very true. Since I don't know everything and am not part of the satan worshipping elite, I don't know for sure what they are up to. I do know they are up to lots. Call me conspiracy theorist or whatever... but I believe they are putting their plans, OWG, putting them in motion as I write this. They plan on de-populating big time (my guess would be all who refuse to take the mark to turn them into the image of the beast and for right now the people like the homeless and poor who they consider to be nobody's). They are working to usher in the anti-Christ. And for us the date of September 23 that meant so much because it was the fulfillment of Revelation 12: 1-2, just that it meant something for them too. I think that date also a marker of some kind for them, as they wait on their father also to come down here, only their father is satan (conspiracy theorists talk about reptilians and all that stuff; but who knows and maybe some of these high up rich government, celebrity, and so forth people have already taken the mark of the beast; did so when they sold their soul to satan so they could have what they wanted in return... treasures in this world; not saying for sure; but who knows). As for me, my treasure is in Heaven! Here is just one video though, of many out there. It really got my attention. It is forty some minutes but for me I didn't even realize because the man speaking had me riveted from the get go. It is not pertaining to Jesus, not a teaching or anything like that, but is this man and his experience he had in Houston during Harvey. And if any of what he says is true (and I do believe it is and I can just see from looking at him that he is suffering with PTSD, his mind not being able to process all the horror and so he smokes and drinks... and I only know this because I used to do the same stuff to cope with my problems). I believe him though. And if true, God only knows what those poor people in Puerto Rico are suffering right at this very moment. Because there is no way for any of us to really know what is happening over there. Heck, we don't even know what is happening here in the USA and in Houston. Even the people who live in Houston don't know! (seriously reminds me of the way the Nazi's operated with the Jewish people and dissidents and how the average German didn't have a clue as to what was going on during WWII). Anyways, here it is and I do think worth the watch (he curses some, he smokes, he drinks, but it is not about that and just open your ears and listen to him): |
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Post by cwood85 on Sept 26, 2017 19:48:12 GMT -6
tiffanybwYou bet He is my daily thought! From the moment I wake up until the moment I close my eyes. And yes only Salvation through Jesus Christ washes us clean. Because we sin daily without even knowing it. I sure do! Even after coming so much closer to the Lord since this spring, I struggle. Some of the things I struggle with and making right are pretty serious. But to me at least, now I am aware of it and am making moves to make it right. But it is going to be a long road, and I may even be facing some legal trouble because well that is where I have gotten myself at this point unfortunately. While I pray for that not to happen, at least I know I am in a different mindset. No more trying to get away with something or seeing how far I can push things, but how can I make this right and try my absolute best to be honest about it. That is my biggest struggle still is lying. Not to trick or hurt people, just to keep myself out of trouble and avoid my problems :/ My whole thought process has changed though. I know it will not happen overnight, but at least things are in motion for the better. But my love for Jesus has never been like this. If we are going home soon, I will be running towards Him, well after falling flat on my face first lol. As as for the elite and Satanist of this world. They know what is going on. They really know what is going on and are preparing for it. You talk to the locals in South Africa and America, who work the ports for travel to Antarctica and they will tell you they have never seen so much traffic and very important people going there so much in their lives. I really think no one has a good guess as to what is going on, but I do believe it is something sinister. Also the Vatican will be introducing the anti christ to the world imo. I mean who builds a telescope and calls it LUCIFER?!? But maybe not
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 26, 2017 20:51:37 GMT -6
tiffanybw You bet He is my daily thought! From the moment I wake up until the moment I close my eyes. And yes only Salvation through Jesus Christ washes us clean. Because we sin daily without even knowing it. I sure do! Even after coming so much closer to the Lord since this spring, I struggle. Some of the things I struggle with and making right are pretty serious. But to me at least, now I am aware of it and am making moves to make it right. But it is going to be a long road, and I may even be facing some legal trouble because well that is where I have gotten myself at this point unfortunately. While I pray for that not to happen, at least I know I am in a different mindset. No more trying to get away with something or seeing how far I can push things, but how can I make this right and try my absolute best to be honest about it. That is my biggest struggle still is lying. Not to trick or hurt people, just to keep myself out of trouble and avoid my problems :/ My whole thought process has changed though. I know it will not happen overnight, but at least things are in motion for the better. But my love for Jesus has never been like this. If we are going home soon, I will be running towards Him, well after falling flat on my face first lol. As as for the elite and Satanist of this world. They know what is going on. They really know what is going on and are preparing for it. You talk to the locals in South Africa and America, who work the ports for travel to Antarctica and they will tell you they have never seen so much traffic and very important people going there so much in their lives. I really think no one has a good guess as to what is going on, but I do believe it is something sinister. Also the Vatican will be introducing the anti christ to the world imo. I mean who builds a telescope and calls it LUCIFER?!? But maybe not We believe very much the same! I've had big sin too to work through. Some of it I have completely overcome, or really no and not me but by me giving myself completely to Jesus He has Overcome! And there is still plenty He is working on. I think you've got the most important part done... which is giving yourself fully and completely to Him! I'd imagine He works on all of us until He can't anymore here on this planet. And then He will pick up where He left off with us in Heaven! Only it will be so much easier there because no more sin to fight, no more of our flesh constantly at odds with our Spirit which is HIS! I can't wait! But guess I have to, not much choice lol. And in the meantime may He work in us all and make us into the Creation He intended for us to be, and to be more like Him, and may He use each and every one of us to help ourselves and others through His Holy Spirit! And this is the "treasures" and the "blessings" spoken of in His Word that He is Faithful to Answer our prayer when we pray it and give of ourselves fully to Him. Not worldly things. Heavenly things! God Bless and will keep you in my prayers! *hugs* |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 27, 2017 0:49:51 GMT -6
I am reminded of Jesus' poor eleven disciples, plus the many hundred+ more disciples, who scattered or cringed around watching as He was tried, mocked, scourged, and crucified. How could it be that this one they had thought to be GOD Himself was not fighting back or defending Himself? Why was He silent before His accusers? Wait for it, wait for it, He'll break free, He'll heal himself and jump down off the cross in amazing power and glory. . . . But it didn't happen. Peter denied his Lord. Mary watched her son die. John became the new caretaker for an aging woman. Various others were around. Somebody whispered, perhaps, that they heard that Judas had killed himself. HOW COULD ALL THIS HAPPEN? Evidently only Mary of Bethany understood that this must happen. Perhaps she tried to explain it to the other women. But the pain was too great and evidently they didn't understand. Then darkness covered the earth as the "King of the Jews" hung "helpless" on the killing tree. After three hours, Jesus yelled, "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" and He died. The disciples obtained the body from Herod and prepared Him for burial. In their grief they still could not believe what had happened, or why. They laid Him in the tomb and sealed it. But on the third day. . . . Everything was different. Friends, I am so thankful that we are not nearly so confused or so heartbroken or anguished as those disciples were then. We have several things they didn't have--namely-- 1. The hindsight and explanations of the New Testament writings to show us there is precedent for our confusion. 2. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide and to comfort and to teach us. 3. Relative "peace and safety" of our own persons, to where most of us are not in immediate danger of persecution. 4. Internet and telephones to be able to reach out to each other across the continent and around the world for help, advice, encouragement, and support. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words. |
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 27, 2017 8:08:30 GMT -6
I am reminded of Jesus' poor eleven disciples, plus the many hundred+ more disciples, who scattered or cringed around watching as He was tried, mocked, scourged, and crucified. How could it be that this one they had thought to be GOD Himself was not fighting back or defending Himself? Why was He silent before His accusers? Wait for it, wait for it, He'll break free, He'll heal himself and jump down off the cross in amazing power and glory. . . . But it didn't happen. Peter denied his Lord. Mary watched her son die. John became the new caretaker for an aging woman. Various others were around. Somebody whispered, perhaps, that they heard that Judas had killed himself. HOW COULD ALL THIS HAPPEN? Evidently only Mary of Bethany understood that this must happen. Perhaps she tried to explain it to the other women. But the pain was too great and evidently they didn't understand. Then darkness covered the earth as the "King of the Jews" hung "helpless" on the killing tree. After three hours, Jesus yelled, "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" and He died. The disciples obtained the body from Herod and prepared Him for burial. In their grief they still could not believe what had happened, or why. They laid Him in the tomb and sealed it. But on the third day. . . . Everything was different. Friends, I am so thankful that we are not nearly so confused or so heartbroken or anguished as those disciples were then. We have several things they didn't have--namely-- 1. The hindsight and explanations of the New Testament writings to show us there is precedent for our confusion. 2. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide and to comfort and to teach us. 3. Relative "peace and safety" of our own persons, to where most of us are not in immediate danger of persecution. 4. Internet and telephones to be able to reach out to each other across the continent and around the world for help, advice, encouragement, and support. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words. Wow, yes Jim, and I love this! It is so true. Things didn't happen like the disciples thought even though Jesus tried and tried explaining to them. Each disciple most likely took his words differently, and in each of their minds they had different opinions and views on exactly how things would pan out. But none of them thought they would be watching their Lord and Savior die so torturously and gruesomely on a cross.  Last night, I was looking up "anathema maranatha" (lol mike because I didn't know what it meant, the first part anyway but only the maranatha part I knew), as Mike had said it to me in one of his posts and I didn't want to seem stupid like I didn't know so I looked it up lol. I ended on a site that I like and use a lot called "got questions". And there was a link under that said "what were the last 7 words of Jesus on the cross and what did they mean" and I clicked on that. I read the first one, and out of nowhere just burst into crying and saying I am so sorry Jesus over and over and then I prayed and talked to Him for a long while. Here is the first one from the link: www.gotquestions.org/seven-sayings-Christ.html"Matthew 27:46 tells us that about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Here, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that, God had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was experiencing a separation from God for the only time in all of eternity. This was also a fulfillment of the prophetic statement in Psalm 22:1."The part I bolded, that is what got me. Not that I didn't already know this. But maybe The Holy Spirit gave me the understanding, for even just one second, of what Jesus felt like at that moment on the Cross when God completely turned from Him and Jesus was completely separated from God. Because, to be honest, after I signed off here last night I was kind of moping, feeling sorry for myself (I get like that whenever I think about family issues too much and I was posting about those in another thread). And so I think that Jesus snapped me out of that real quick by showing me through The Holy Spirit... just... what He did for us, the gravity of it, the importance of it, and how no matter how much persecution any one of us has experienced, presently experience, or will experience in this life... either physical or mental... just that our persecution does not even begin to compare to what He did on that Cross for us. The disciples LOVED Jesus so much and they BELIEVED in Him with all of their hearts. But they were still "flesh", still had sin. Because of it, and it is still like this now... but just that there are certain things that no matter how much God works on us, we will just "not get it". Because of our sin nature. And so AMEN Jim and yes and let us comfort one another because we HAVE seen the SIGN of His Coming in the sky! It is still there! (I think that until October 13 it will be?) But, even if we are still here on October 14, we have seen the sign and things will be perfect and work out just as He Intended/Intends/will Intend (past, present, future). He knows all 3! And He knows what to do. If He were to listen to us and do it our way, how we think, how we pray for (because I do pray He will come and get us soon); if any of that though, guarantee it would ALL be messed up and we ALL would be in a world of sin, suffering, trouble, and sorrow. And so He is telling us... Remain Faithful, Keep Watching and especially now as He has shown us the Revelation 12 Sign in the sky, Be Patient for a while longer! And, most important Trust Him! I think that all of us here, just that we know our way is wrong and His Way is Right. I love you Jesus. |
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