|
|
Post by linda on Sept 23, 2017 16:32:35 GMT -6
Just to throw something else out. Gary over at "A Little Strength" has an article on his first page that talks about how Pentecost is actually a better choice for the Rapture.
|
|
|
|
Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 23, 2017 16:51:07 GMT -6
Scottie is running around trying to say that tomorrow is a better day...pretty much doing damage control it seems to me. Here's my $0.02: Remember Leviticus 12. A male child is unclean for 7 days until circumcision on the 8th day - which is a picture of the cutting away of sin from the line of Adam as realized in Christ. This points us to the Day of Atonement since the Sign is 2 days after Rosh Hashanah. The DoA is 40 days after the Great Eclipse - symbolizing a time of testing. Scottie may have had it wrong all along, and is now making things worse IMO. I think it's all going to wash out in the end. I haven't seen the latest video, so I'll need to check it out. But people who have working brains, the Holy Spirit and are searching for answers too will forgive Scotty if he's been wrong about rapture needing to fulfill the FoT on the day, people who already don't believe and want to scoff are going to scoff no matter what, and people who maybe do have the Holy Spirit but they let the wind toss them around so that they are confused, afraid, or disappointed... well they really have no excuse. That's my $0.02. |
|
|
|
Post by linda on Sept 23, 2017 17:01:03 GMT -6
I just watched a new video over on Rev12Daily called "The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture" that makes a lot of sense, basically pointing to next Saturday instead of the day of the Rev 12 sign. Very interesting and something else to consider.
|
|
|
|
Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 23, 2017 17:04:16 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by kjs on Sept 23, 2017 17:05:16 GMT -6
Scottie is running around trying to say that tomorrow is a better day...pretty much doing damage control it seems to me. Here's my $0.02: Remember Leviticus 12. A male child is unclean for 7 days until circumcision on the 8th day - which is a picture of the cutting away of sin from the line of Adam as realized in Christ. This points us to the Day of Atonement since the Sign is 2 days after Rosh Hashanah. The DoA is 40 days after the Great Eclipse - symbolizing a time of testing. Scottie may have had it wrong all along, and is now making things worse IMO. Just watched Scottie's video of a couple of hours ago, and he just repeated what revelation12daily said and what Gary said here in August, which that as far as alignment goes, the twenty fourth has the moon under the feet of Virgo if one shows Virgo standing. They (the two articles and scotti video) make sense in that regard ... But do not address the who FOT issue ..... Which is one item that Scottie made a big issue of. personally, I just want it to happen right now, tomorrow or next week - just very very soon..... I am not really sure it has to be on an Feast Day - which I think both this thread and the other one are driving at .... which is is why a Feast Day for Rapture? The other fulfilled feast were for Israel, even Pentecost - since that was when the disciples got filled with Holy Spirit..... What if the ultra-dispensationalist are correct - The Church Body did not come into existence until Paul - which happen two or three years later (after Pentecost). If that is true then the rapture, which was really only spoken of directly by Paul - is not linked to the Feasts and could happen at any time. Just throwing out another thought. Please come soon Lord Jesus! |
|
|
|
Post by stormyknight on Sept 23, 2017 17:55:19 GMT -6
Scottie is running around trying to say that tomorrow is a better day...pretty much doing damage control it seems to me. Here's my $0.02: Remember Leviticus 12. A male child is unclean for 7 days until circumcision on the 8th day - which is a picture of the cutting away of sin from the line of Adam as realized in Christ. This points us to the Day of Atonement since the Sign is 2 days after Rosh Hashanah. The DoA is 40 days after the Great Eclipse - symbolizing a time of testing. Scottie may have had it wrong all along, and is now making things worse IMO. Just watched Scottie's video of a couple of hours ago, and he just repeated what revelation12daily said and what Gary said here in August, which that as far as alignment goes, the twenty fourth has the moon under the feet of Virgo if one shows Virgo standing. They (the two articles and scotti video) make sense in that regard ... But do not address the who FOT issue ..... Which is one item that Scottie made a big issue of. personally, I just want it to happen right now, tomorrow or next week - just very very soon..... I am not really sure it has to be on an Feast Day - which I think both this thread and the other one are driving at .... which is is why a Feast Day for Rapture? The other fulfilled feast were for Israel, even Pentecost - since that was when the disciples got filled with Holy Spirit..... What if the ultra-dispensationalist are correct - The Church Body did not come into existence until Paul - which happen two or three years later (after Pentecost). If that is true then the rapture, which was really only spoken of directly by Paul - is not linked to the Feasts and could happen at any time. Just throwing out another thought. Please come soon Lord Jesus! I wonder as well. Being the Gentile church, I'd think it wouldn't matter. Remember the parable of the ten virgins, the bridegroom tarried, then the call came at midnight. That's not at 'the twinkling of an eye' or 'at the last trump', so what are we to make of it? I would guess we just watch and be like the the five wise virgins and keep our lamps trimmed and make sure we have plenty of oil. |
|
|
|
Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 23, 2017 18:13:53 GMT -6
So around 10:30 Israel Time tomorrow the 24th, the virgin will appear to be standing on the moon, which will be in libra. At around 13:00, Ophiucus with Saturn rises above the horizon, as well. If we think the dragon is Saturn and part of this sign, that's when it's fully in place from Israel's perspective. Interesting if nothing else.
|
|
|
|
Post by Rick on Sept 23, 2017 20:56:01 GMT -6
I've always had a feeling that when the Day of The Lord comes, it's it. That we've had this all wrong like we did at His first coming. I have had that feeling as well. Not so much a doubt, but just some things I have read. I am reading the book of John again and am finding a lot of referencing to the resurrection at the last day. It is spoke of by Jesus and others asking him about THE LAST DAY and resurrection happening on THE LAST DAY. Certainly no bible scholar, but I will quote the verses in a moment as I have marked them. Not stating as a fact, just something I am researching. Hey cwood85, if I remember correctly what John is talking about is the resurrection of the tribulation saints, and they will be resurrected at or very near the end of the tribulation. I could be remembering wrong. I do that more and more these days |
|
|
|
Post by hillary on Sept 23, 2017 20:58:23 GMT -6
Scottie is running around trying to say that tomorrow is a better day...pretty much doing damage control it seems to me. Here's my $0.02: Remember Leviticus 12. A male child is unclean for 7 days until circumcision on the 8th day - which is a picture of the cutting away of sin from the line of Adam as realized in Christ. This points us to the Day of Atonement since the Sign is 2 days after Rosh Hashanah. The DoA is 40 days after the Great Eclipse - symbolizing a time of testing. Scottie may have had it wrong all along, and is now making things worse IMO. Just watched Scottie's video of a couple of hours ago, and he just repeated what revelation12daily said and what Gary said here in August, which that as far as alignment goes, the twenty fourth has the moon under the feet of Virgo if one shows Virgo standing. They (the two articles and scotti video) make sense in that regard ... But do not address the who FOT issue ..... Which is one item that Scottie made a big issue of. personally, I just want it to happen right now, tomorrow or next week - just very very soon..... I am not really sure it has to be on an Feast Day - which I think both this thread and the other one are driving at .... which is is why a Feast Day for Rapture? The other fulfilled feast were for Israel, even Pentecost - since that was when the disciples got filled with Holy Spirit..... What if the ultra-dispensationalist are correct - The Church Body did not come into existence until Paul - which happen two or three years later (after Pentecost). If that is true then the rapture, which was really only spoken of directly by Paul - is not linked to the Feasts and could happen at any time. Just throwing out another thought. Please come soon Lord Jesus! I’ve wondered this myself, so thank you for putting this out there. Actually just this evening I was doing some research on it. After Pentecost was fulfilled, but before Paul started writing his books we know that “3000 souls were added to them.” (Acts 2) So were these old testament saints, or the body of Christ? If the body of Christ, I contend that this period...after Pentecost but before Paul’s mystery gospel...holds some space for transition. And if so, why not the closing of the age, also? Meaning, the next fulfillment by Jesus of an appointed time (which are for Israel) while it is transitioning out of the age of grace. (I believe this will happen at the Jubilee on DoA.) However, this point of view is irrelevant if those 3000 souls (plus all the others who believed during that time) are considered “OT saints” because the mystery had not yet been revealed to Paul. SaveSave |
|
|
|
Post by Rick on Sept 23, 2017 21:22:53 GMT -6
Just watched Scottie's video of a couple of hours ago, and he just repeated what revelation12daily said and what Gary said here in August, which that as far as alignment goes, the twenty fourth has the moon under the feet of Virgo if one shows Virgo standing. They (the two articles and scotti video) make sense in that regard ... But do not address the who FOT issue ..... Which is one item that Scottie made a big issue of. personally, I just want it to happen right now, tomorrow or next week - just very very soon..... I am not really sure it has to be on an Feast Day - which I think both this thread and the other one are driving at .... which is is why a Feast Day for Rapture? The other fulfilled feast were for Israel, even Pentecost - since that was when the disciples got filled with Holy Spirit..... What if the ultra-dispensationalist are correct - The Church Body did not come into existence until Paul - which happen two or three years later (after Pentecost). If that is true then the rapture, which was really only spoken of directly by Paul - is not linked to the Feasts and could happen at any time. Just throwing out another thought. Please come soon Lord Jesus! I’ve wondered this myself, so thank you for putting this out there. Actually just this evening I was doing some research on it. After Pentecost was fulfilled, but before Paul started writing his books we know that “3000 souls were added to them.” (Acts 2) So were these old testament saints, or the body of Christ? If the body of Christ, I contend that this period...after Pentecost but before Paul’s mystery gospel...holds some space for transition. And if so, why not the closing of the age, also? Meaning, the next fulfillment by Jesus of an appointed time (which are for Israel) while it is transitioning out of the age of grace. (I believe this will happen at the Jubilee on DoA.) However, this point of view is irrelevant if those 3000 souls (plus all the others who believed during that time) are considered “OT saints” because the mystery had not yet been revealed to Paul. SaveSave , The 3000 souls you spoke of were indeed added to the body of Christ because He had already paid the price with His death, burial, and resurrection. Acts can be tricky because it is a transitional book. The Kingdom Age has not been completed yet, that is why Yeshua is not done with the Jews. Once the catching away (rapture) occurs that will end the Age of Grace or the Church age and Christ will once again turn His attention back to the Jewish people. I hope this makes sense to you, sometimes I just cant explain things correctly. God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 |
|
|
|
Post by yardstick on Sept 23, 2017 22:04:08 GMT -6
In Scott Clarke's interview on the John B Wells Radio Show here... ... Next question, could the Feast of Trumpets actually have been fulfilled by the Sign itself? Blowing of the trumpets is both indicated for warning of judgment and for celebration of the coming King. What if the Sign is the warning? And the warning could be that in this upcoming Feast of Atonement, the sacrifice will be unacceptable. Thus, instead of heralding the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, the Day of the Lord comes. I had read in an article about the Feasts that the Israelites knew that if their sacrifice on the Feast of Atonement was rejected, that instead of 7 days of Tabernacles, they would receive the Day of the Lord (which would seem to also last "7 days.") What if these are the prior fulfillments before Christ Himself fulfills them? When Jesus steps down on Mt of Olives and splits it in half (and presumably conquers Jerusalem) that could be on Feast of Trumpets, fulfilling that Feast—Heralding the Coming and coronation of the King. Then the Great Winepress of the Lord ensues 10 days later on Feast of Atonement—His sacrificial supper. Then the millennial kingdom begins on Tabernacles. What if He DOES fulfill the Fall feasts bang bang bang, just like the Spring Feasts and we are looking at this all wrong? This is kinda what I am thinking: the Feast of Trumpets fulfillment is the Second Coming... But for different reasons: the harpazo is for the gentiles, the FoT is for the Jews! So count backwards from the FoT 2024: 2500+ days to get to the confirmation of the covenant, The Harpazo has to occur before that date? BTW, anyone wanna do a word study on 'confirmation of the covenant'? |
|
|
|
Post by socalexile on Sept 23, 2017 23:34:48 GMT -6
Just watched Scottie's video of a couple of hours ago, and he just repeated what revelation12daily said and what Gary said here in August, which that as far as alignment goes, the twenty fourth has the moon under the feet of Virgo if one shows Virgo standing. They (the two articles and scotti video) make sense in that regard ... But do not address the who FOT issue ..... Which is one item that Scottie made a big issue of. personally, I just want it to happen right now, tomorrow or next week - just very very soon..... I am not really sure it has to be on an Feast Day - which I think both this thread and the other one are driving at .... which is is why a Feast Day for Rapture? The other fulfilled feast were for Israel, even Pentecost - since that was when the disciples got filled with Holy Spirit..... What if the ultra-dispensationalist are correct - The Church Body did not come into existence until Paul - which happen two or three years later (after Pentecost). If that is true then the rapture, which was really only spoken of directly by Paul - is not linked to the Feasts and could happen at any time. Just throwing out another thought. Please come soon Lord Jesus! I wonder as well. Being the Gentile church, I'd think it wouldn't matter. Remember the parable of the ten virgins, the bridegroom tarried, then the call came at midnight. That's not at 'the twinkling of an eye' or 'at the last trump', so what are we to make of it? I would guess we just watch and be like the the five wise virgins and keep our lamps trimmed and make sure we have plenty of oil. That parable is to the Jews, not the Gentile church, which didn't exist then. It's actually a synopsis of the Song of Solomon, where chapter 2-3 is the wise virgin and chapter 5-8 the foolish. The Parable is primarily speaking of the 1st Coming and how the Jews, ignored the coming of the Bridegroom and ultimately lost their lamp to the Gentiles as a result. Yes, "lamps" are often used as an allegory for ministry and service, not salvation. |
|
|
|
Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 24, 2017 0:07:34 GMT -6
I wonder as well. Being the Gentile church, I'd think it wouldn't matter. Remember the parable of the ten virgins, the bridegroom tarried, then the call came at midnight. That's not at 'the twinkling of an eye' or 'at the last trump', so what are we to make of it? I would guess we just watch and be like the the five wise virgins and keep our lamps trimmed and make sure we have plenty of oil. That parable is to the Jews, not the Gentile church, which didn't exist then. It's actually a synopsis of the Song of Solomon, where chapter 2-3 is the wise virgin and chapter 5-8 the foolish. The Parable is primarily speaking of the 1st Coming and how the Jews, ignored the coming of the Bridegroom and ultimately lost their lamp to the Gentiles as a result. Yes, "lamps" are often used as an allegory for ministry and service, not salvation. Interesting, socal, I've never heard that before! |
|
|
|
Post by Rick on Sept 24, 2017 13:16:26 GMT -6
I wonder as well. Being the Gentile church, I'd think it wouldn't matter. Remember the parable of the ten virgins, the bridegroom tarried, then the call came at midnight. That's not at 'the twinkling of an eye' or 'at the last trump', so what are we to make of it? I would guess we just watch and be like the the five wise virgins and keep our lamps trimmed and make sure we have plenty of oil. That parable is to the Jews, not the Gentile church, which didn't exist then. It's actually a synopsis of the Song of Solomon, where chapter 2-3 is the wise virgin and chapter 5-8 the foolish. The Parable is primarily speaking of the 1st Coming and how the Jews, ignored the coming of the Bridegroom and ultimately lost their lamp to the Gentiles as a result. Yes, "lamps" are often used as an allegory for ministry and service, not salvation. You are so right socalexile and I believe that is one reason so many people get so confused with the first 4 books of the "New Testament". To me, and this is what the Holy Spirit revealed to me and helped me to understand the bible today.... Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are really OT books. They write about everything Yeshua did while he was still alive, before the cross. It's not that we aren't to read them because we are, we should read every book, but those books don't apply directly to our lives today. The books for the church today are all those written by Paul. I hope I am making sense! |
|
|
|
Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 24, 2017 14:41:37 GMT -6
That parable is to the Jews, not the Gentile church, which didn't exist then. It's actually a synopsis of the Song of Solomon, where chapter 2-3 is the wise virgin and chapter 5-8 the foolish. The Parable is primarily speaking of the 1st Coming and how the Jews, ignored the coming of the Bridegroom and ultimately lost their lamp to the Gentiles as a result. Yes, "lamps" are often used as an allegory for ministry and service, not salvation. You are so right socalexile and I believe that is one reason so many people get so confused with the first 4 books of the "New Testament". To me, and this is what the Holy Spirit revealed to me and helped me to understand the bible today.... Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are really OT books. They write about everything Yeshua did while he was still alive, before the cross. It's not that we aren't to read them because we are, we should read every book, but those books don't apply directly to our lives today. The books for the church today are all those written by Paul. I hope I am making sense! Maybe it would be better to say, " certain aspects of those books don't apply directly to our lives today as part of the Church." It's all about context. Some parables of Jesus may have been intended for the Jews specifically and not spiritualized for the Church. However, there are plenty of things Jesus said that are also for the church, such as "you must be born again," "For God so loved the world..." and "go ye therefore unto all nations...", just to name a few. |
|
