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Post by gregt on Jun 4, 2017 20:44:54 GMT -6
But will say Jesus only gave two commands.... Love God and Love others as much as yourself..... Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Jesus was quoting Old Covenant law back to a Jew. If you view this passage as applicable to yourself you placing yourself under the law. Funny that you are not aware of this passage: John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. By the way, this is NOT the same as what you referred to, the standard is different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 20:47:43 GMT -6
Been real gregt- you have created enough conflict that I will stop participating in any thread you are on. We were all considerate here before you came on. You have cried "look at me, look at me...why don't you people address my stuff!!! since you got on. Everyone here has made a post with no comment back and are fine with that. Jesus has not filled you with love for you cannot turn the other cheek. See you other guys on other threads  |
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Post by gregt on Jun 4, 2017 20:58:53 GMT -6
truthseeker, by doing this you have determined I am not your spiritual brother, correct?
eta: that lord's prayer point evidently upset you. But please note, I did not insult you, I just pointed out the implications of doing what Jesus commanded us to do. You want to get mad at me for that?
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 4, 2017 21:08:36 GMT -6
Jim, I wasn't vague with my response about the will of the Father, which was given in response to what "I never knew you" was about. Why don't you comment on that post? Well first of all, nobody is obligated to respond to any post on the forum, but what also makes it difficult is that once the conversation moves beyond what was said, it is difficult to keep coming back to it in context. I was pretty sure I did comment when you first brought up the Matthew 7 passage. So, to avoid any lack of clarity, here is the passage: Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. And actually this is a passage I use fairly frequently in my soul-winning and apologetics work. It is clear from this passage that those who trust in their good works are not saved--nor do they lose their salvation. Jesus does not say, "I knew you once, but I don't know you now." No. He says "I never knew you." I use this as one of my key verses about eternal security and how it is impossible to lose salvation once you have it. It also shows that there is a very specific subset of people who will be saved, NOT everyone, and NOT everyone who professes the Name of Christ. That is to say, there will be MANY people in that day who would have considered themselves Christians, and even did works "in Christ's Name" who actually are not redeemed, and never were. The key point is, there is only one correct Way to be saved, and it is NOT through works. So I agreed with you when you said that before, and I stand by what I am saying now in this post, which I thought was what you were saying. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 4, 2017 21:12:43 GMT -6
But will say Jesus only gave two commands.... Love God and Love others as much as yourself..... John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. My pastor just preached on that passage this morning. He pointed out that Jesus was not stating that this commandment was new, as in, never given before, because the commandment to love one another was clearly given before, but it was a new standard, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. That is, the old commandment was "love thy neighbor as thyself" which is loving to a certain degree, but "love one another as I have loved you" is a higher standard of love, because Jesus loves us more than He loves Himself. So it is a new commandment in that the standard was raised higher. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 4, 2017 21:14:02 GMT -6
truthseeker, by doing this you have determined I am not your spiritual brother, correct? eta: that lord's prayer point evidently upset you. But please note, I did not insult you, I just pointed out the implications of doing what Jesus commanded us to do. You want to get mad at me for that? Boy you sure jump to some conclusions. |
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Post by gregt on Jun 4, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -6
Boy you sure jump to some conclusions. Boy you need to quit cheerleading. |
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Post by whatif on Jun 4, 2017 21:45:56 GMT -6
My friend, gregt, please be at peace. We mean you no disrespect, brother. Sometimes it is very easy to read more into posts with our imaginations than the writer intended, and from there misunderstandings abound. I hope you will find it in your heart to let peace be restored.
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Post by kjs on Jun 5, 2017 6:47:46 GMT -6
2 Corinthians 13:4-5 Paul gives specific instructions that all should reexamine their Faith......
My suggestion/ Advice was to a generic you ..... That if someone feels they have performed good works, that they can brag before God ....
That the individual should reexamine what they are having faith in.
If these comments offended, it was not the intent .... And so will apologize if any offence was given......
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Post by Gary on Jun 5, 2017 8:49:53 GMT -6
Let's be at peace friends. There's no need to win an argument and it's impossible we'll all agree on everything. When we feel like someone differs on something important, it's easy to feel a need to escalate, but instead we need to be outdoing one another in love and good deeds. Grace upon grace, right?
Gregt, there are several things you've said that have concerned me:
I read through kjs' post myself and I couldn't find a single "insult". My friend, it's ok to have disagreement, but how do we love one another in the midst of it? I don't think accusing someone is the best approach. Rather, "I hear you say this, I disagree with you, but I respect your viewpoint."
She never said that. Accusations without merit aren't from the Father.
Have you met truthseeker? I seriously doubt you know her or what she thinks or how she feels. This really comes across like baiting.
I'm not trying to frustrate you or gang up on you, but out of genuine concern for you I just want to share that from my perspective I'm not seeing the fruit of the Spirit on display from you in this thread.
I love you brother.
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Post by gregt on Jun 5, 2017 10:07:27 GMT -6
Well Gary, instead of tit for tat over your superficial judgment, I am going to take a break. God willing, I will try to check back in on 9/24 or there abouts to try to help with the train wreck that you are headed toward. Later.
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Post by whatif on Jun 5, 2017 11:27:03 GMT -6
That makes me very sad, gregt... Have you joined us only for the purpose of tearing us down? If so, we forgive you and we ask the Lord's blessing and protection upon you. Whether our speculations about the rapture will come to pass in September or there abouts, we don't know. We will have to wait and see what the Lord's plan is as He unfolds it. We simply love Him and hope in Him and desire with all our hearts to be with Him. It makes us joyful to watch for Him and to look for the signs of His return. Whether the rapture should occur before the tribulation, during the tribulation, or after the tribulation, we understand that His plans are perfect.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 5, 2017 16:04:39 GMT -6
Who will be raptured? I hope, everyone on this board. We are told to examine ourselves to see if we are in the Faith. Let's none of us take anything for granted, or get proud. God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.
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Post by Gary on Jun 18, 2017 20:07:32 GMT -6
Two more great videos on this topic I would encourage everyone to watch, especially now. This topic is critically important, so I'm making this thread a sticky.
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Post by mike on Aug 8, 2017 5:54:17 GMT -6
I read through this thread prior to joining the site about a month or so ago and now again today. I realize some have differing views on "what makes a Christian" and certainly "when the rapture takes place" but it seems to me the thread went off the tracks early on. It is also sad to see the judgmental view some hold when viewing others and their one-on-one relationship with the Lord.
In my early years following the Lord, I strove for perfection. I was taught that we should be doing 'everything in the Book' that He did. And in all honesty, mostly due to my own strength and efforts I followed as rigidly, robotically and legalistically as I could. I strove for perfection, but always fell short of the goal. I wanted to "earn" the approval of the Father. I wanted to see (first hand) things like...
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
John 14:12 Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
A lot has transpired in my life since I first believed, including a lengthy time of falling away. Although I regret my not following the Lord for many years, God (still) used that time 'away' (imagine that) to still mold and change me into a more mature man. One thing I notice early in this thread was the use of the word "perfect". My attempts at trying to be "perfect" lead to much frustration as they we through my own efforts and by trying to emulate those around me. In fact the more I saw that I was not becoming perfect the more frustrating it was, the more 'jealous' I was of others who seemed to be 'perfect'. Let's take a quick look at the word in the Greek though, teleios - (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character...In 2016 the Lord got my attention and I began to desire to seek Him again, but not like before. I said to myself that I couldnt do this (again) the way I had before. I came to realize that the very verse (Matt 5:48) was in fact impossible to achieve. I mean think about it Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect ...it is not possible to perfect like the Father, but we can grow in maturity and close the gap between imperfect (flawed fleshly nature) and perfect (nature of the Father).
Now that I have had the experiences of my past to reflect on, I look at salvation in quite a different light than I once did. I know that I am wretched in and of myself. I am embarrassed and ashamed of my decisions from my past. I know that I dont deserve salvation and can't ever earn it no matter how hard I try or work. I know that someday I have to stand before the God of the entire universe and answer for my conduct, and that scares me quite a bit! I also know that He is merciful and full of grace and for that I am truly thankful. In fact I'm flabbergasted at the fact that He would still even consider me as His own. But He's outlined it throughout the scriptures for people like me, people like us, who dont deserve His mercy or grace yet He gives it anyway. He not only gave the story of the prodigal son, but the history of Israel and their idolatry, yet every time He received them openly and lovingly. I guess my point is I was a person who didnt experience His mercy or grace quite the way I needed to. In my failing, I now realize that in my heart I am not sufficient and will never be. I will never be perfect in the sense of sinless. That job could only be accomplished by One. But I can be a mature Christian, a fundamentally flawed follower, due to the earth suit I am bound to until He says I am no longer.
So for those who have prayed for the sick and seen them healed, thank you. For those who have raised the dead, I am somewhat jealous of your walk that He would use you in that capacity. For those casting out devils, how does that feel? For me, I am blessed that the Lord of creation still loves me, because of His Son, what He did for me and my acceptance of that. If that can't get me into heaven or to be raptured than nothing will.
Mike
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