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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 10, 2017 8:20:22 GMT -6
I am not near as savvy as many on this forum who have a better memory or are able to resource stuff and trust those sources..
Jonathan Cahn's book the Harbinger had an impact on my end times watching. The book read as a good story, but also the way he lined up politics and scripture made a pretty good case that God had removed His hedge of protection on this country briefly (9-11).. Of course, I have had my share of people claiming conspiracy theory that 9-11 was an inside job, particularly the Pentagon crash. Even if this is true it still is was an evil act, and still, I take it as a warning.
In the dvd by Cahn, there is video of Bush saying "we will rebuild" (hence Cahn's references to Isaiah 9:10: "The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.
" kjv
Obama was also shown saying the same thing in re: to the market crash of 2008...
I think this could be why folks thought a 7 year later event in 2015 could happen from the 2008 event..(at least I was on high watch then)
I put out in the shoutbox a request about the duration of the eclipse and the duration of the 9-11 events. I have a full day today, but maybe one of you out there has already looked at this. It seems to me that 9-11, the Crash of 2008 and this Eclipse are the stand-outs for this nation (lest I forget some of the hurricanes, which affected us regionally, yet do not nationally).
..and, really, was the Pentagon hit by a plane or a missile on 9-11?
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Post by kjs on Aug 10, 2017 8:45:21 GMT -6
..and, really, was the Pentagon hit by a plane or a missile on 9-11? I have no clue on whether this was a missile or a plane ....... However, I do know that Building 7 went down in what appears to be a controlled way -- supposedly because of Office Fires. In the History of this world (both before and after) there has never been a Iron/Concrete building come down because of a fire. We have multiple examples in just the last few years -- of huge skyscrapers catching fire and burning for DAYS -- and though they were heavily damaged NOT ONE had a total collapse from the very top to the very foundation. You want to call me a conspiracy theory tin-hat wearing fool for that --- be my guest ...... BUT before you do so .... prove that Building 7's total collapse was from Fire alone! For the record Buildings 4 and 5 -- while hit much harder and by more debris than Building 7 -- Yes, they were damaged and had to be removed -- BUT THEY NEVER had a total collapse. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 10, 2017 11:13:35 GMT -6
Well we're going to find out for sure SOON.
Regardless, I do think Mr Cahn was right about 9-11 and the official responses being a harbinger. Funny how he doesn't seem interested in the Rev. 12 sign. . . .
I can't tell you whether it was a plane or a missile that hit the Pentagon, however, my pastor was there in Washington DC that morning, and he saw with his own eyes a jet airliner fly over him at low altitude over the city at the exact time that would make sense for the OFFICIAL line of reporting to be accurate. He was not near the Pentagon and did not see the impact. He knew as soon as he saw the plane that it was against regulations for that plane to be flying where it was. He told everyone he was with to get back in their hotel until they could determine if everything was all right.
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Post by whatif on Aug 10, 2017 12:04:21 GMT -6
I loved the Harbinger book, barbiosheepgirl! It would indeed be fascinating to find out if there are any possible connections in the eclipse and Revelation 12 sign!
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Post by whatif on Aug 11, 2017 17:37:41 GMT -6
There have certainly been a number of terrible fire disasters at towers/high-rise buildings lately. Could there be a tie-in with those?
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Post by socalexile on Aug 11, 2017 23:36:34 GMT -6
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Post by whatif on Aug 12, 2017 0:14:10 GMT -6
Yes, I've been thinking about that a lot, socalexile--a frightening thought! I know Revelation 16:19 speaks of the great Mystery Babylon being split into 3 parts at the 7th Bowl judgment after "a great earthquake, the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake." Certainly makes me wonder if the great city, Mystery Babylon is America, and the "X" formed at the 2nd Eclipse might just herald that 7th Bowl earthquake...
If the 7-year tribulation does indeed fit within the timespan starting in August, September, or October of this year, the 2nd eclipse would be at just about the right place in time for the 7th Bowl judgment... |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 12, 2017 1:10:10 GMT -6
Yes, I've been thinking about that a lot, socalexile--a frightening thought! I know Revelation 16:19 speaks of the great Mystery Babylon being split into 3 parts at the 7th Bowl judgment after "a great earthquake, the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake." Certainly makes me wonder if the great city, Mystery Babylon is America, and the "X" formed at the 2nd Eclipse might just herald that 7th Bowl earthquake...
If the 7-year tribulation does indeed fit within the timespan starting in August, September, or October of this year, the 2nd eclipse would be at just about the right place in time for the 7th Bowl judgment... Something I sent to Gary tonight: ...forgive me if you have heard this before - I haven't read all of the literature on this - but some relevant things may have been skipped over: The Great Eclipse happens 33 days before the Great Sign. Incidentally, when a male child is born according to Leviticus 12, it is to be circumcised on the 8th day. Circumcision is a picture of the cutting away of sin from the Adamic line - something fulfilled in Christ, which is why Paul is so adamant against it in Galatians. I think there may be more to Leviticus 12 in regards to the timing of the circumcision of a newborn male. Now there is a picture in that Christ begins the millennium on the 7th "day" (2 Peter 3:8), and the re-creation of heaven and earth without sin begins on the 8th "day", or 8000 years after creation. However, the 8th day after the Sign, and the birth of the Child shown in Jupiter leaving Virgo, happens to be Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, and 40 days AFTER the eclipse. Coincidence? Now here's this, there is a last trumpet blown as part of Yom Kippur (from here): From here: I think we need to look into this more. Thoughts? |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 12, 2017 1:40:24 GMT -6
Just an adjustment-- you are correct about the eternal state being the prophetic 8th day after the 7 days of 1,000 years each. However, it is not the 8000th year, it would start (approximately) at the 7001st year.  However if I understand correctly, we may not be counting years any more after that, and time may be nonexistent, irrelevant, or completely different from what we experience now. But I still agree with your prophetic understanding of the numbers--the eternal state with the New Jerusalem would be the prophetic 8th day, and one with no end. |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 13, 2017 2:19:32 GMT -6
Just an adjustment-- you are correct about the eternal state being the prophetic 8th day after the 7 days of 1,000 years each. However, it is not the 8000th year, it would start (approximately) at the 7001st year. However if I understand correctly, we may not be counting years any more after that, and time may be nonexistent, irrelevant, or completely different from what we experience now. But I still agree with your prophetic understanding of the numbers--the eternal state with the New Jerusalem would be the prophetic 8th day, and one with no end. I mean it would be the start of the 8th millennium, which goes on forever. |
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Post by whatif on Aug 13, 2017 9:34:24 GMT -6
I remember Jonathan Cahn made a video or two not too long ago regarding the Harbinger as it related to the Arch of Baal that has been set up in New York City, London, and Dubai. Makes me wonder if the London and Dubai tower fires are connected with this.
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Post by socalexile on Aug 13, 2017 11:02:19 GMT -6
I remember Jonathan Cahn made a video or two not too long ago regarding the Harbinger as it related to the Arch of Baal that has been set up in New York City, London, and Dubai. Makes me wonder if the London and Dubai tower fires are connected with this. The man showed himself a charlatan with the shemitah false prophecy - he's more interested in self-promotion and book sales than good Bible study. |
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Post by whatif on Aug 13, 2017 11:15:09 GMT -6
Jonathan Cahn has received much condemnation from believers regarding the Shemitah, but I've been a long-time watcher of Jonathan Cahn, socalexile, and I've repeatedly heard him say, as well as write, that we cannot put God in a box and that we cannot say He will do something on such and such a day, because He doesn't have to. Jonathan Cahn has been very cautious in what he's said about the Shemitah, just as we are being cautious here at the forum in being very excited about the possibility of prophetic occurrences during the Revelation 12 sign/eclipse period. It is very possible he is still correct, but the speculated timing might be delayed by the Lord in relation to this prophetic season we're in now.
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Post by mike on Aug 13, 2017 12:34:18 GMT -6
I remember Jonathan Cahn made a video or two not too long ago regarding the Harbinger as it related to the Arch of Baal that has been set up in New York City, London, and Dubai. Makes me wonder if the London and Dubai tower fires are connected with this. The man showed himself a charlatan with the shemitah false prophecy - he's more interested in self-promotion and book sales than good Bible study. SoCal ... I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I live about 20 minutes from his church building and have been there a few times over the years. Likewise my mother has been there many times. While I don't get caught up in things that cannot be supported biblically and/or historically I can't say he's a charlatan. He has always seemed to love the Lord, but (my opinion) is that he ties a little too much mysticism (perhaps Kabbalah) into his world view. He is a Jew no doubt and clearly studies the culture that they have on to. His ministry is focused to the Jew and reaching them. My $0.02 |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 14, 2017 10:30:19 GMT -6
I don't think Cahn is completely wrong about the Shevitah. He's not perfect, neither am I. I certainly don't take everything he says as 100% trustworthy, but I don't believe he's a charlatan. And a false prophesy is ONLY a false prophesy if the prophet states "Thus sayeth the Lord (or an equivalent way of claiming it is directly from God) This SHALL happen." If he instead says something like, "I think this is what we're going to see happen" then it is not a true prophecy, it is a prediction, and that is not the same at all.
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