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Post by yardstick on Aug 3, 2017 22:54:02 GMT -6
(continued) Okay, that took a lot less time than I expected, so lets for the moment lay out the rules of exponents, and then do a brief discussion of them next time. Here they are: a m x a n = a m+n (Product Rule - multiplying exponents which have the same 'base' in this case 'a', but different exponents together) (a m) n = a m*n (1st Power Rule) (ab) m = a m x b m (2nd Power Rule) a m
(a/b) m = --- (3rd Power Rule, but b cannot equal 0) b m 1 a -n = --- (negative exponent, also known as the inverse) a ncomplicated example of the negative exponent: a m --- = a m-n (Quotient Rule - dividing exponents with the same base, but different exponents) a nI would like you to focus on the patterns you see. Where do the exponents move to? What happens to the bases? What happens to the exponents? (continued...)
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 3, 2017 23:17:35 GMT -6
Dang your starting from scratch! I know this probably ain't helpful now, but to all y'all who know the beginning stuff, an imaginary number is defined by a multiple of the square root of negative 1. I was going to go with a multiple of anything divided by zero.
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Post by sawdy on Aug 3, 2017 23:37:24 GMT -6
I would like you to focus on the patterns you see. Where do the exponents move to? What happens to the bases? What happens to the exponents? (continued...) From the post before, there is no such thing as subtraction, so by reversing the numerator and denominator in the negative exponent equation, it becomes positive. I only made it though about three weeks of high school calculus before I dropped out and that was 18 years ago. Thank you for doing this math refresher, as I did notice as I am having my kids do math workbooks all summer vacation, that I am now very rusty. Grade 5-7 math was causing me to mess up a bit. Good thing to note, my multiplication and addition tables are spot on right now from correcting so many workbook pages. -off topic- My son is going into Grade 6, and although he follows end times stuff with me, I have told him math is still important to learn as he was taking much too long to do his math homework this past year. He is much faster after starting his workbooks at the beginning of June. My kids are getting rewarded at the end of summer when they complete their workbooks. I wouldn't make them do up to 8 workbook pages a day without some kind of incentive. In this case, it is a visit the West Edmonton Mall waterpark when they complete their books. If they don't finish by the end if summer, the reward will wait for them (the rapture may not- lol 🤣)- sorry, I don't get to make end times jokes very often.- It is not the most humorous subject.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 4, 2017 0:54:55 GMT -6
yardstick, where were you when I needed you in the late 80's and tutor me in my Calc II class? I did manage to do well in genetics the 2nd time around...it takes a special, God-gifted brain to understand math at yardstick level!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 7:22:36 GMT -6
Dang your starting from scratch! I know this probably ain't helpful now, but to all y'all who know the beginning stuff, an imaginary number is defined by a multiple of the square root of negative 1. I was going to go with a multiple of anything divided by zero. You can't divide by zero. The square root of negative one works because you can return it with a function; you can square it to return it to negative 1. X and U in the next couple paragraphs are varibles; the are letters that stand for numbers. In this case, they stand for any number. The problem with dividing by zero is that anything you multiply zero by is zero. Therefore: However: There is an inconsistency here: 10/0 * 0 should equal one, yet it equals 0. It's not 0 at fault; it's the 10/0 thats breaking the laws of mathematics. Therefore, x/0 is impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:06:52 GMT -6
I can explain imaginary numbers if you want me to, yardstick. Sorry for hijacking your thread a bit; I was just responding to Jim.
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Post by yardstick on Aug 4, 2017 8:13:56 GMT -6
yardstick, where were you when I needed you in the late 80's and tutor me in my Calc II class? I did manage to do well in genetics the 2nd time around...it takes a special, God-gifted brain to understand math at yardstick level! Don't feel bad, I took Calc 1 three times and Calc 2 three times also. How it is taught is what makes all the difference in the world.
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Post by yardstick on Aug 4, 2017 8:22:50 GMT -6
I was going to go with a multiple of anything divided by zero. You can't divide by zero. The square root of negative one works because you can return it with a function; you can square it to return it to negative 1. X and U in the next couple paragraphs are varibles; the are letters that stand for numbers. In this case, they stand for any number. The problem with dividing by zero is that anything you multiply zero by is zero. Therefore: However: There is an inconsistency here: 10/0 * 0 should equal one, yet it equals 0. It's not 0 at fault; it's the 10/0 thats breaking the laws of mathematics. Therefore, x/0 is impossible. Actually beloved... dividing by zero is possible... You get some interesting results... We'll cover that when we get to the examples of where 5th-7th dimensional stuff is. For that I am going to share some of the coursework I took related to synthesis of cam, gear, and linkage mechanisms; methods of planar motion analysis, and mathematical modeling of mechanical, hydraulic, electromechanical and servo systems, or feedback system characteristics and performance; stability; design and compensation of control systems. These concepts all apply the math we all learned in Calculus, Trigonometry, Algebra and Geometry to real life situations.
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Post by yardstick on Aug 4, 2017 8:31:33 GMT -6
You can't divide by zero. The square root of negative one works because you can return it with a function; you can square it to return it to negative 1. X and U in the next couple paragraphs are varibles; the are letters that stand for numbers. In this case, they stand for any number. The problem with dividing by zero is that anything you multiply zero by is zero. Therefore: However: There is an inconsistency here: 10/0 * 0 should equal one, yet it equals 0. It's not 0 at fault; it's the 10/0 thats breaking the laws of mathematics. Therefore, x/0 is impossible. Actually beloved... dividing by zero is possible... You get some interesting results... I should clarify my statement. Beloved, you are correct. In three dimensional space, using one two or three dimensional math, we cannot divide by zero. Dividing by zero essentially puts us into 4th+ dimensional math. Which can only be shown (generally speaking) by doing parts of the math problem individually (like doing all the problem in the X axis independent of the other two, then doing the Y, then the Z). This is sometimes called the Brute Force Method, or Method of Superposition. When we cover linkages (i'll do a simple one) I'll make the point about what happens when we divide by 0. And I think it will make sense. Think: Tesseract.
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Post by yardstick on Aug 4, 2017 8:45:52 GMT -6
I can explain imaginary numbers if you want me to, yardstick. Sorry for hijacking your thread a bit; I was just responding to Jim. I am getting a little ahead of myself here Beloved, but I did promise a proof related to imaginary numbers, so if you want to take a crack at it, try developing a proof that i = -i
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:46:40 GMT -6
Okay! Im not pretending to be a math master; I'm self taught. However, I've taught myself multivarible calculus and linear algebra, so I'm not ignorant. I thought, when you said that you could divide by zero, you meant this: I love that I have someone to teach me! God has answered my prayers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 8:47:26 GMT -6
Alright! Yay! I love puzzles!
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Post by yardstick on Aug 4, 2017 9:00:00 GMT -6
Okay! Im not pretending to be a math master; I'm self taught. However, I've taught myself multivarible calculus and linear algebra, so I'm not ignorant. I thought, when you said that you could divide by zero, you meant this: I love that I have someone to teach me! God has answered my prayers. That's the basic algebraic explanation for differentiating y with respect to x. There is a shortcut to it that everyone picks up really fast cuz its simpler. When we get to linear and non linear algebra we will begin to touch on slope, which is what derivatives are (and what your equation is) modeling. Your equation is showing that the slope of a vertical line is infinite, or undefined, algebraicly speaking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:48:58 GMT -6
I can explain imaginary numbers if you want me to, yardstick. Sorry for hijacking your thread a bit; I was just responding to Jim. I am getting a little ahead of myself here Beloved, but I did promise a proof related to imaginary numbers, so if you want to take a crack at it, try developing a proof that i = -i i = -i i=(-1)*i i 2=((-1)*i) 2i 2=(-1) 2*i 2i 2=1*i 2i 2=i 2-1=-1 1=1
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Post by yardstick on Aug 4, 2017 11:10:14 GMT -6
I am getting a little ahead of myself here Beloved, but I did promise a proof related to imaginary numbers, so if you want to take a crack at it, try developing a proof that i = -i i = -i i=(-1)*i i2=((-1)*i)2i 2=(-1) 2*i 2i 2=1*i 2i 2=i 2-1=-1 1=1 There is something odd about your method, but it looks like you got the right answer. If you work backwards from what you have (in this case, I believe that would be a better way of developing your proof - see below), I believe you have a procedural error in the bolded part. Order of operations requires that you do what is in the parenthesis first. So, the way it is now, you would have to convert the ((-1)*i) 2 to (-i) 2. That takes you to the third step in the arrows I typed below. You can follow what happens after that. 1=1 -1=-1 i 2=i 2i 2=1*i 2i 2=(-1) 2*i 2i2=((-1)*i)2 ----->> i 2 = (-1*i)(-1*i) ---->> i 2 = (-i)(-i) ------>> i2 = (-i)2 ------>> sqrt(i 2) = sqrt((-i) 2) ------>> i = -ii=(-1)*i i = -i So does anyone know of any real numbers where the reciprocal (negative) value is equal to the original value? There is only one scenario where this occurs.
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