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Post by mike on Aug 11, 2017 13:28:55 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 3:48:29 GMT -6
More possible evidence about the Two Witnesses, and possible name of the second member I am on the "One For Israel" email list. The Doctors Were In Shock – The Cancer Had Disappeared! Late 2015, Eitan Bar, Moti Vaknin & Anastasia received a request to come to a hospital and pray for a child who lost his sight and sick with cancer. Jewish Jacob was there too and witnessed the miracle of healing in front of his eyes, leading him to Jesus Christ! Watch Jacob’s AMAZING story and SHARE!!! Shalom! A couple of years ago, Eitan, Moti and Anastasia received a message from a man called Chen who had been watching our evangelistic videos. His five year old son was ill with cancer, and he wanted them to come and pray. You might remember that we sent the word out, asking you to join us in prayer for little Stav. What happened next is still filling us with awe. Here is the message that Eitan sent out, back in 2015: "Earlier this week we received a message from Chen, saying, "I have just one request: that Moti and Eitan will come and pray for my son". And so, Moti, Anastasia and I went to visit them in hospital. We found out that Chen is a "fan" of our videos and message, that has come to faith in recent months. His son, Stav, is four years old, and last year was diagnosed with Leukemia (cancer of the blood). He's a good, sweet and happy kid, who has now also found a new best friend who made his day (Anastasia)! We sat with them and with some of their relatives (non-believers) for two hours. We encouraged them, prayed for them, and enjoyed spending time together! Chen's brother, Yakov, is a chef - a really great guy, and really interested in our faith because his brother has been sending him our videos for some time now. He heard that we were coming, so left his work straight away, and came up to meet us. He's really open to Yeshua! When I got back from that night, Yakov called me to ask more questions about our faith. So in short, we'd be really glad if you'd join us in lifting up this family in prayer together: 1) For the complete healing of four year old Stav 2) For salvation for the family members." These prayers were answered! Here is Yakov today, sharing his testimony, and explaining what God did for Stav and the whole family! www.oneforisrael.org/video/israeli-testimonies/doctors-shock-cancer-disappeared/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 4:54:46 GMT -6
Here is Moti Vaknin’s Story www.oneforisrael.org/video/israeli-testimonies/moti-vaknin/His name means: Moti is short for Mordechai (he adopted Esther and told part in saving all Israel from destruction) Could mean "[servant] of God" in Hebrew Vaknin is common patronyms of Abraham "father of many" or "many, multitude" (Funny in his testimony video, he made a bible trivia mistake involving Abraham(His own family name is a form of Abraham) which led him to Jesus.) I can't see an obvious link between his name and the description of the Two Witnesses. Maybe others can see a link. Revelation 11:4 New International Version (NIV) 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”
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Post by danielle on Aug 14, 2017 7:40:17 GMT -6
It is my opinion, I do believe I am right, that John is one of the witnesses due to rev. 10 John eats the scroll and it is sweet, of course because it is the word of God. It is bitter to his stomach Because the Word leads to persecution. It is for John to reveal because he ate it. He will speak the message of the 7 thunders. I believe Enoch is the other witness because he saw the last generation and what was to come . He and John witnessed the end of days in it's fullness. To witness is to give account to that which you have already seen. The hidden ones will not be revealed before their time to give prophecy, as to what they look like , where they are from, what names they will be given, ex... It like with st. John the Baptist, Christ revealed that he was Elijah Matt.16:10-13. This does not support the main stream idea of reincarnation. Elijah is always a prophet, and God chose to send Him back. This is not given to every soul, to come back again. It has only happened to these Great Men Of God! And yes I know St. John had a natural death unlike Enoch, but what is that for us to question? God gave John the scroll to eat. What the Lord puts on your plate is not for you to question. John is the only apostle to not be martyred. Whatever the Lords reason is for John to witness is for the Lord to know. But for sure the seven thunders words will be earth shaking.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 14, 2017 10:41:44 GMT -6
I'm going to have to disagree with you about John the Baptist being Elijah. Jesus said he could have been, but he wasn't. I believe the real Elijah will be back on the scene soon, fulfilling the Malachi prophecy. Whether he's one of the two witnesses or not could be debated, but I don't see why he wouldn't be.
As for John, good thoughts there regarding Revelation 10.
Whoever it is, it needs to be someone who hasn't died yet, or else they will need to be raised according to the resurrection of Lazarus--ie, raised once to die a second time. Not resurrected to a glorified body.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 14, 2017 10:42:37 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, though, Danielle!
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Post by danielle on Aug 14, 2017 12:25:44 GMT -6
I'm going to have to disagree with you about John the Baptist being Elijah. Jesus said he could have been, but he wasn't. I believe the real Elijah will be back on the scene soon, fulfilling the Malachi prophecy. Whether he's one of the two witnesses or not could be debated, but I don't see why he wouldn't be. As for John, good thoughts there regarding Revelation 10. Whoever it is, it needs to be someone who hasn't died yet, or else they will need to be raised according to the resurrection of Lazarus--ie, raised once to die a second time. Not resurrected to a glorified body.
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Post by danielle on Aug 14, 2017 12:59:08 GMT -6
Matt: 17:11-13 NIV, KJV, NEW JERUSALEM The Trans figuration CHP17 Jesus replied " To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you , Elijah has already come, and they did to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands. Then the apostles understood He was talking about John the Baptist. Thank you for your welcome, If I may continue, Many propose that it is Moses who is one of the witnesses this could not be true based on your opinion, Not that you said it was Moses but that a glorified body must have happened. Moses is a most popular opinion though. John's Body is glorified when he will rise after three days dead in the city known mystically as Sodom and Gomorrah and Egypt. Many say St. Johns body is under the church or at the site where the church is Built in his Honor. Is it? was The Beloved of Christ's body taken. the Basilica of Saint John. Revelation an unveiling. I believe we will find out. And Jesus knows John the Baptist is Elijah the apostles would not have understood John as such if Christ was evasive or unclear. the Hebrew text is clear and the interpretation is not muddled. The 7 Thunders are for the Beloved Apostle. But regardless of opinions. I believe I have received this from the Holy Spirit. Key phrases as to Elijah/ John the Baptist, (they did to him everything they wished.) Christ spoke of him in the past tense. This is not a difficult translation.
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Post by sawdy on Aug 14, 2017 14:55:34 GMT -6
This is not a difficult translation. Hello and welcome Danielle. Please keep in mind that we are all at different places in our fellowship with Christ. What may be easy for one to figure out with help from the holy spirit, may be difficult for another. We all have different spiritual gifts. Please try and choose your words to show the fruits of the spirit in your conversations. The above that I have quoted did not feel to me to be friendly conversation. Please correct me if I am wrong though.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 14, 2017 19:51:21 GMT -6
To divert the discussion away from WHO specifically are the Two Witnesses.... but has anyone speculated whether the Two Witnesses could be the two witnesses who spot the new moon at the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets? I have been mulling this around for a while...
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Post by whatif on Aug 14, 2017 20:28:48 GMT -6
Ohhhhh, wouldn't that be awesome, MissusMack08? Great thought!
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Post by yardstick on Aug 15, 2017 0:01:55 GMT -6
To divert the discussion away from WHO specifically are the Two Witnesses.... but has anyone speculated whether the Two Witnesses could be the two witnesses who spot the new moon at the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets? I have been mulling this around for a while... An intriguing hypothesis...
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Post by evenso on Aug 15, 2017 19:31:44 GMT -6
To divert the discussion away from WHO specifically are the Two Witnesses.... but has anyone speculated whether the Two Witnesses could be the two witnesses who spot the new moon at the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets? I have been mulling this around for a while... I love that intriguing thought! Many in the Messianic movement believe the two witnesses will be rabbis who have put their faith in Yeshua. I almost always have a tab opened to a live cam of the Wailing Wall. I keep expecting to someday see two men who will be those witnesses. Very exciting times we live in.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 16, 2017 12:19:33 GMT -6
To divert the discussion away from WHO specifically are the Two Witnesses.... but has anyone speculated whether the Two Witnesses could be the two witnesses who spot the new moon at the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets? I have been mulling this around for a while... I love that intriguing thought! Many in the Messianic movement believe the two witnesses will be rabbis who have put their faith in Yeshua. I almost always have a tab opened to a live cam of the Wailing Wall. I keep expecting to someday see two men who will be those witnesses. Very exciting times we live in. Hi Evenso! I could see them being messianic rabbis if the rapture doesn't occur pre-trib. However, if it does occur pre-trib, then they'd have to be left behind by special provision by Jesus, which I suppose is possible. Otherwise, they'd have to be rabbis who don't believe yet, but would suddenly be filled with the spirit after the rapture. I still think they will be two Old Testament prophets who come back. But that would be something if they show up right as the new moon is coming out and they spot it. And if we are raptured the next evening, whoa! I don't know how it's going to happen but it'll be awesome however God does it.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 16, 2017 12:39:06 GMT -6
Great thoughts, MissusMack!
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