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Post by whatif on Aug 4, 2017 1:17:26 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, Andrew! I love the plaid! Is the picture related to family colors?
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 4, 2017 2:19:54 GMT -6
Welcome to the board, Andrew! I still like your discovery, and actually, I was wrong, too--it's actually 5,033 years, due to there being no "year zero." And--we've been seeing--that number 33 is significant too.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 5, 2017 17:49:23 GMT -6
Okay, spent time trying to find a place for this question. At the beginning of this thread we talk about the pre/mid/post rapture thoughts.
This question concerns a rebuttal I had to a comment I made in the "24" article. I am a bit confused as to what this anonymous was pointing out to me. The context is in regard to the 7th trumpet being the big Rapture (the one involving all the believers, or Church) and I would say, this person is likely a mid-trib rapture theorist. Anyway, I replied with, "How do you explain : "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," ? kjv, but I used the niv version: "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." (1Thes 5:9)
This is what anonymous said in its entirety: Barbiosheepgirl Here is the issue "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation" 1 Thess 5:9KJV You are likely using the NIV Bible which uses "Suffer" in place of "Wrath" There is a very big difference. God's Wrath is strictly for unrepentant sinners; "Earth Dwellers" (Rev 13:8KJV) There are many other substantial differences between the KJV (written from the Received Texts/Inspired Texts) for example and the NIV (written from Westcott and Hort's translations from the Bible Revision Committee. 1 Jn 5:7KJV is not even in the NIV. "Yea, and all that lwill live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution" 2 Ti 3:12KJV. You can compare bible verses side by side using Bible Hub
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I tend to rely on Greek or Hebrew words to look up word intent, meaning and understand context. I very rarely rely on only the english versions of any kind to really study deeply. One can't! This Wrath thing. At face value in English we (Christian believer) are not God's "target". And so, LOTS of stuff is going to be happening on this planet and He would not want us here to experience it, hence I am a pre-tribber.
I see the word "appointed" in the KJV...hmmmmm, there is that word "appointed", in greek is etheto, meaning, has set, has not destined..
The word wrath in this verse is used 9 times, mostly in Romans (biblehub help) orgen is the greek word, means anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance.
I know that people comment and make things confusing, but anyone in this forum, who I tend to agree with your interpretations, can you help me discern the rebuttal of this person AND reassure me that 1Thes 5 : 9 says what it says: We are not destined to God's (upcoming) Wrath! only way to fulfill that is thru a rapture...
btw, 1thes 5:9 was the one the first verses I memorized...funny...I see why my nerve (and leaning on this verse) was struck...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 20:00:19 GMT -6
Barbieosheepgirl,
I have discovered that most all of the people who tend to lean into mid or pre-wrath rapture, tend to associate themselves with the Jewish program. It seems that they have spent so much time studying The culture and the history that their mindset has become that of a Jewish person. However, the Scriptures tell us that we are neither Jew nor Greek when we become believers. Also, we are "in Christ". Jesus is given the authority to judge during the tribulation. All authority has been given unto him. My question to consider is....will Christ judge himself? No, because we are in Him, and HEis not appointed to wrath! so nor nor are we! To some, that will sound like I have a sugarcoating the issue. But don't you fret, a true Christian gets it that good!! If there was not a Rapture, then what difference would there be between the salvation of the Jews. You would also have to get rid of all of Paul's books, for they speak of a mystery that was not known of before which was also the rapture. Jesus said to Thomas , "Blessed are those who have seen and believed, how much more blessed are those who have not seen and believed". The no longer Jew nor Greek, now Christian, not in name only, but in heart,mind ,and soul....is the blessed one who is in him and not appointed to wrath!! It is that wonderful! We are not members of the world anymore that says no pain no gain. We get to finally leave that thinking behind!
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 5, 2017 20:36:27 GMT -6
thank you truthseeker! I am going to glean some more on your words...as I also just found a whole thread on Thes 5:9 on this board...while on my way to see if anyone had words to ponder on my questions here.. The nutshell you offer is just that: First the Jew then the Gentile...to me, this phrase reminds me that the Jew is still in God's sight, the gentile grafted in and part of Jesus. That is the main key. We are His (the Lord Jesus). I keep that in mind as I desire to discern Revelation and any unfulfilled prophesy. Blessings!!
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Post by whatif on Aug 8, 2017 21:53:26 GMT -6
but I used the niv version: "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." (1Thes 5:9) This is what anonymous said in its entirety: Barbiosheepgirl Here is the issue "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation" 1 Thess 5:9KJV You are likely using the NIV Bible which uses "Suffer" in place of "Wrath" There is a very big difference. God's Wrath is strictly for unrepentant sinners; "Earth Dwellers" (Rev 13:8KJV) There are many other substantial differences between the KJV (written from the Received Texts/Inspired Texts) for example and the NIV (written from Westcott and Hort's translations from the Bible Revision Committee. 1 Jn 5:7KJV is not even in the NIV. "Yea, and all that lwill live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution" 2 Ti 3:12KJV. You can compare bible verses side by side using Bible Hub . Hi, barbiosheepgirl! Anonymous' response is a little confusing. Actually, the NIV version does not replace the word "wrath" with "suffer," but as you pointed out it says, "...God did not appoint us to suffer wrath..." I believe the word "suffer" in this case simply means "to undergo or experience (any action, process, or condition)," so we can say God did not appoint us to undergo or experience wrath.
Source: "Suffer," Dictionary.com, 2017, www.dictionary.com/browse/suffer?s=t
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Post by andrew on Sept 9, 2017 23:22:17 GMT -6
Sorry for not logging back in for over a month. Thank you guys for the welcome. And yes, it is Moubray plaid. The ancient colors. Our clan seems to have been successfully disbanded by the English, if not destroyed. Luckily we make good laborers, so selling us into indentured servitude in the colonies was better for all involved than execution for treason after participating in the ill fated rebellion in 1715.  |
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Post by whatif on Sept 10, 2017 18:23:53 GMT -6
LOL! I love history, andrew!
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 10, 2017 22:24:44 GMT -6
Sorry for not logging back in for over a month. Thank you guys for the welcome. And yes, it is Moubray plaid. The ancient colors. Our clan seems to have been successfully disbanded by the English, if not destroyed. Luckily we make good laborers, so selling us into indentured servitude in the colonies was better for all involved than execution for treason after participating in the ill fated rebellion in 1715. Ha. That was about the time of the treacherous act of union-- "sech a parcel o' rogues in the nation" as Robert Byrnes later wrote. The British didn't realize they were doing the world a great favor by sprinkling a healthy dose of Scots on every continent.  |
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Post by andrew on Sept 11, 2017 11:26:07 GMT -6
True. Like pepper, though, too much all at once probably was unsettling!
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 11, 2017 11:31:19 GMT -6
True. Like pepper, though, too much all at once probably was unsettling! I would say it corresponded to a quick skyrocketing of progress, technology, and ambition worldwide. As well as plaid as a fashion statement, now nearly universally appreciated. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 22, 2017 12:35:49 GMT -6
Sorry for not logging back in for over a month. Thank you guys for the welcome. And yes, it is Moubray plaid. The ancient colors. Our clan seems to have been successfully disbanded by the English, if not destroyed. Luckily we make good laborers, so selling us into indentured servitude in the colonies was better for all involved than execution for treason after participating in the ill fated rebellion in 1715. let alone the '45! |
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