RT, thank you for sharing. I enjoyed reading it. :-) As for the sea of glass from Revelation 4, I believe that it represents God's Law. I believe that the 2 tablets of stone that the Lord gave to Moses were made of sapphire. Sapphire is blue like sea and it's crystal. Ezekiel saw that the appearance of the firmament under God's throne was in appearance like a sapphire stone. In Psalm 89:14 it says: "Righteousness and justice [are] the foundation of Your throne..."
Paul, welcome to the discussion forum. It is always great to have folks join in the conversation. I am glad you enjoyed reading my study.
I think we need to be careful not to ascribe meaning to things that scripture does not give meaning to itself. What we know about the heavenly tabernacle is that it served as a pattern for the earthly one. If we want to know what earthly thing correlates to the heavenly "sea" we need look no further than the tabernacle and temple. The "Sea" was a large bronze laver which held water for the priests to wash in. (The Temple "sea" was the size of a large above ground swimming pool.) It was used for ceremonial cleansing, that the priests might enter the temple to perform the tasks required of them, it was a means of purification.
Now I admit I do some speculating as to what the heavenly sea may be. And I also admit I could be wrong about that. Though I do believe scripture does support my suspicions, which I show in my study.
If John saw a crystal sea, and Moses and Ezekiel saw a sapphire pavement, I believe how they describe it is exactly what it was. The throne of God and the heavenly Tabernacle are not ethereal, spiritual concepts, but real objects that exist in a reality that we cannot see, unless the Lord allows us to.
Prophecy is a difficult thing to piece together, and we tend to see things from our own unique perspectives and understanding. I don't want to discourage you and don't mean to seem condescending at all and I hope you don't take it that way. Like I said in another post. We are all trying to figure it out together. I pray that the Lord will lead us all as we seek to understand His word and the times in which we live.
If you believe that there is some meaning to the sapphire expanse/ crystal sea. Then look to scripture to provide your evidence. The verse in Psalms is true, God's throne is built on righteousness and justice, in a figurative sense. That means that His rule is based on those things. I don't think that is connected to what the crystal sea may represent. I don't think this passage provides enough evidence to support your claim. But keep searching, perhaps you will convince me otherwise.
EnochWalked: I don't suppose the Palestinians are going to be given the chance to buy F-35s if they normalize relations with Israel. One other disadvantage for the Palestinians is that Israel doesn't dispute the borders of UAE, whereas "Palestine" is more ambiguous.
Oct 25, 2020 8:42:04 GMT -6
bora: Believing that God does not exist is like believing there is no food in the grocery store; no food on the earth; despair and starvation for our families. But there is food and our families are secure in the knowledge that God does exist. Just a thought.
Oct 25, 2020 8:48:41 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2020/luisv1011-2.htm This is a detailed theory about the "Isaiah 61 Jubilee Year Theory" with a fantastic diagram at the end. Well worth a read if you haven't already. It explores the idea of the Trib. starting in 2022.
Oct 25, 2020 8:50:50 GMT -6
EnochWalked: I wanted to cross-reference it with another source, so I compared its claim "27 AD was the 7th year of that Sabbatical Cycle" with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmita "the Sabbatical year 41/42". 27 AD + 7 years + 7 years = 41 AD. Seems correct.
Oct 25, 2020 8:53:09 GMT -6
EnochWalked: I don't know how controversial an idea it is that the Tribulation will exactly match the historic Sabbatical cycles (or that we can know where modern years fall on that cycle) but knowing the date of the Trib may not tell us the day or hour of the Rapture.
Oct 25, 2020 8:57:54 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Cross-referencing again I find this long but compelling analysis: endtimepilgrim.org/70wks11.htm which supports the claim that "Jesus began His ministry in 28 A.D." which would have been the Jubilee year immediately following 27 AD.
Oct 25, 2020 14:14:12 GMT -6
mike: Prov 28:9 If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination. (<--Society & some of the church today like this - EW?)
Oct 27, 2020 6:49:59 GMT -6
boraddict: Bummer, I was looking forward to debating stella. The supposed message from stella was sad to me; because, it was so obliviously from Satan
Oct 27, 2020 7:08:15 GMT -6
mike: Bora - sorry the intent was to antagonize not prophesy.
Oct 27, 2020 7:09:17 GMT -6
boraddict: Yes, I know, and stella did not have a solid scriptural foundation. Satan tricks people like that so easily.
Oct 27, 2020 7:26:00 GMT -6
ksteven: mike, Bora- I have a sneaking suspicion that the "trigger event" stella was waiting for was being kicked. Im no prophet, but I suspect we may see someone by another name giving a similar "prophecy" soon.
Oct 27, 2020 8:12:24 GMT -6
Natalie: kstevens- wouldn't surprise me
Oct 27, 2020 8:46:45 GMT -6
rusty pail: "the One having died for us, so that whether we might watch or we might sleep, we may live together with Him" v.10
Oct 27, 2020 10:56:53 GMT -6
mike: Hey rusty, havent noticed you in a while. nice to see you
Oct 27, 2020 11:10:58 GMT -6
EnochWalked: mike: That's an interesting proverb, thank you. There definitely are those in society that are trying to appear pious while living effectively lawless lives, but sadly many have given up even the pretence of morality, being proud of their abomination.
Oct 27, 2020 14:14:30 GMT -6
boymaker: I don't know what to make of Stella. It felt like an attack. She got my Philly up. Pre-tribbers are the target of a lot of mockery and I just felt that in every post. Thanks for showing us how gracious you are to erring members, and where you draw the line
Oct 27, 2020 15:39:06 GMT -6
mike: Boymaker, when someone comes here in their first post telling us they have a warning, my guard goes up. We are all different parts of His body. I went into 'protect' mode. It couldve been spot on, but wrong way to deliver it
Oct 27, 2020 15:55:37 GMT -6