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Post by schooldad3 on Nov 24, 2021 18:37:01 GMT -6
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Post by boraddict on Nov 25, 2021 13:29:42 GMT -6
schooldad3, thank you for your posting and you are always informative. I remember a few years ago that Putin was developing the Eurasian Union and the Ukraine was the key to Putin's success. Afterwards, the west became very involved in Ukraine to prevent Putin's efforts from maturing. Just wondering here, but are we seeing a reemergence of Putin's Eurasian Union under a different leadership and name? If so then Putin might be the beast and Erdogan the false prophet of Revelations? The Eurasian Union was alive and then it was dead and now it is alive again but under a different name?
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Post by schooldad3 on Nov 25, 2021 14:42:41 GMT -6
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 28, 2021 9:56:50 GMT -6
Well school dad, you did great until about the 7th minute or so, every analysis was spot on, and then this Joel Richardson (amidst a few others) Islamic Anti-Christ which is found nowhere in the scriptures is thrust forth by you for some reason, even though your own argument argued against that very possibility. He conquers towards the East and towards the South and towards Israel, and this is all done remember (I think this escapes you) in the context of the four Generals inter-kingdom battle that covered a certain area so this end time Anti-Christ can only come out of Greece (Cassander), Seleucus (modern day Turkey basically) or Ptolemy (Egypt), the other kingdom is pretty much a non factor. We must remember, in all of Daniel chapter 11 this battle is told as the struggle between these four generals kingdoms, it is not told from the aspect of extending their borders, so when this end time Anti-Christ/Little Horn conquers Towards the East and Towards the South that has to be in the context off all of the Syrian Wars (SEE Footnote below in Red) between these Four Generals Kingdoms, and thus this Little Horn end time Anti-Christ conquering East and South shows the Anti-Christ can not be from Seleucus (The Turkey Region) nor Ptolemy (The Egypt Region) and can only be from the Cassander (Greece/Macedonia Region). It seems in your thought process you do not take chapter 11 into consideration, lets say the United States Conquered to THE SOUTH (Mexico) and THE EAST (England), then would the U.S. President qualify to maybe be an Anti-Christ/Little Horn? Yes, via your assumptions, see my point? He can't just conquer towards the East and towards the South, he must conquer in those directions but only in the contextual understanding of this four general inter-nation battle, which is why we are given such a detailed account of all the Greek leaders in Dan. ch. 11. There is not one iota of scriptural support for an Islamic Anti-Christ, that's just humans following other men's logic, with no biblical support at all. The Little Horn comes out of the Fourth Beasts Head AMONGST the 10 (Divided Europe who reunite/Complete Europe Reunites). And only Greece out of all of the Four Greek Generals kingdoms qualifies this man to become a leader in Europe. The word used for Exceedingly great in Dan. ch. 8 when looked at more closely is describing a remnant of sorts or excess that protrudes forth. As in a flower that OVERFLOWS a flower pot, as in a Rope that OVERHANGS a wall, so it is said to be Exceedingly as the 3rd meaning in Strong's, the first meaning is remnant and its used as in that which overflows or hangs over, so I take it that this Little Horn is a sort of Extension of the 3rd AND fourth Beast in that he has his genealogy (birth) in Greece and his Power extends from Rome (the E.U.), which both were major kingdoms at the exact same time and co-existed via a Greco-Roman world. These Arab countries will never unite, these kings with all this oil will never take a chance on being in a one world federation and becoming paupers themselves via losing their power. Joel Richardson matches up the threat of the day to this prophesy, but that is not how prophecy works, its sells books, but it is in error according unto the scriptures. I challenged him on his Youtube channel and his little buddy Dalton got so frustrated because he couldn't out debate me on this and my pre trib understanding, and thus I guess I made him look bad, he shadow banned me (LOL) where I could watch and post but no one saw my post but me, that is cowardice at its greatest, that is a liberal move of authoritative tactics, not a Christ like move. So I unsubscribed and sent him an e-mail telling him that doing that is not Christ like but is authoritarian like in nature. You are taking that which is not seen anywhere in the bible and just putting it forth as truth. It would be different if you had scriptures to back it up, there is none brother. The Little Horn ARISES amongst the 10 (Complete Europe). We see this Agreement with MANY in place right now, its called the European Neighborhood Policy and in it Europe has 7 Year Agreements with Israel, and (THE MANY) Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Libya, Morocco and Algeria. Its been in place for 20 years all that needs to happen is the Rapture and then the Anti-Christ comes forth to reaffirm these agreements or in other words to place his spin on these agreements that seeks to TRAP Israel in an Agreement that takes away their Nukes, no Arab Agreement with Israel could ever do that, PERIOD. But Israel so wants to be in the E.U. and have wanted that for 20 years, they see themselves as being protected by Europe in the same way Hawaii is protected by the USA. Thus they will only give up their Nukes after the Gog and Magog war so they can be in the E.U. where they currently play Football (Soccer) in the European division. This man then not only Conquers Israel but THE MANY also, as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us. God Bless. PS there were Five Syrian Wars with many saying there was a 6th Syrian War in 170-168 via Antiochus Epiphanes. As you see. only THREE of the Generas Kingdoms actually held power in reality. The Fourth just was never much of anything tbh. Facts Date 219 BCE - 217 • c. 245 BCE - c. 241 • 274 BCE - 271 • c. 260 BCE - c. 253 • 202 BCE - 200 Location Anatolia • Cyclades • Palestine • Phoenicia Participants Egypt • Macedonia • Seleucid empire
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Post by schooldad3 on Nov 28, 2021 13:40:59 GMT -6
This is where i stopped reading. Well school dad, you did great until about the 7th minute or so, every analysis was spot on, and then this Joel Richardson (amidst a few others) Islamic Anti-Christ which is found nowhere in the scriptures is thrust forth by you for some reason, even though your own argument argued against that very possibility.
I have read very little of Joel Richardson. Sorry you wasted so much time on the rest of whatever you said. if you want to be a man and stop hiding in the internet we can talk via phone. [phone number redacted by moderator]
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 28, 2021 17:53:29 GMT -6
This is where i stopped reading. Well school dad, you did great until about the 7th minute or so, every analysis was spot on, and then this Joel Richardson (amidst a few others) Islamic Anti-Christ which is found nowhere in the scriptures is thrust forth by you for some reason, even though your own argument argued against that very possibility. I have read very little of Joel Richardson. Sorry you wasted so much time on the rest of whatever you said. if you want to be a man and stop hiding in the internet we can talk via phone. 925 848 7188 Really brilliant, and shows you really don't want any pushback imho. It doesn't matter whether you have ever read, listened unto Joel Richardson or not, which is why I placed in parenthesis (AND OTHERS). And, it matters not to me if you read this or not, as long as others do and sees your understanding is in error. And no, I do not call people I don't know on the internet and thus give out my phone number. I had another guy who tried that and I think he was a federal agent, they love spying on conservatives and giving out ones phone number gives them the chance to track you, believe it or not. Since you have a Youtube channel with lots of Christian stuff on there I doubt that is you, but I think you use that because you are wise enough to understand people don't want to give their phone number out or call other they don't know or barely know, so that gives you an out, you can't just post without answering the obvious pushback where others shine a light. Be that as it may, I just proved everything about this Islamic Anti-Christ is not factual via the scriptures. You will just keep posting it and I will keep showing why it is not factual via the scriptures.
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Post by Natalie on Nov 29, 2021 8:44:48 GMT -6
schooldad3, rondonmonson, You both think the other is wrong, but you must remember to be kind. You are brothers in Christ and witnesses for Him. and Ron isn't totally wrong about the phone thing. I wouldn't give my number out online and wouldn't feel comfortable calling someone I met online. Anyone on line can pretend to be whoever they want. You would hope that on a site like Unsealed people would be genuine, but who knows who is out there reading along? And this is a discussion board. We should be able to share and discuss our opinions, even expecting pushback because we all have different opinions on how prophecy will play out. Sometimes we have to give further support for our position and sometimes we have to admit that we may be wrong. Some may take things to private messaging if desired, but even then we must remember to be respectful of each other.
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Post by mike on Nov 29, 2021 10:28:46 GMT -6
schooldad3 & rondonmonson - wonder if you would each consider the other position rather than considering the position to be wrong which leads to bickering and infighting? Having had some interaction with each of you, I am persuaded that you both love Jesus and desire to serve Him. Since we all consider One Master, please do treat one another as Natalie indicates with kindness, gentleness, respect, humility before our Creator. You are both heavily studied in respective areas, this is obvious. While these studies are far beyond my own, I would not be adding to the conversation if I pose my thoughts, so I will limit to this (in addition to the above) - is it possible for both stances to be partially correct & partially incorrect simultaneously? Since the Byzantine empire was a leg of the Roman Empire can the two be synonymous, interchangeable, or combined?
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 29, 2021 11:42:33 GMT -6
schooldad3 , rondonmonson , You both think the other is wrong, but you must remember to be kind. You are brothers in Christ and witnesses for Him. and Ron isn't totally wrong about the phone thing. I wouldn't give my number out online and wouldn't feel comfortable calling someone I met online. Anyone on line can pretend to be whoever they want. You would hope that on a site like Unsealed people would be genuine, but who knows who is out there reading along? And this is a discussion board. We should be able to share and discuss our opinions, even expecting pushback because we all have different opinions on how prophecy will play out. Sometimes we have to give further support for our position and sometimes we have to admit that we may be wrong. Some may take things to private messaging if desired, but even then we must remember to be respectful of each other. I understand your point Natalie, of course I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me, but I am willing to hear others, which is why I watched the video, he's using a ruse, trying to get people to call him, because he doesn't want to debate his ideas, he wants to spread his understandings without pushback. When he gets pushback he seems to get "semi offended", as when he called out those who do not attend Church, especially with a virus going around (I myself don't think that is a must as long as you hangout with brothers on-line like some here do). IMHO, it is still congregating together when you come together in any fashion and encourage others in Christ etc. Do I think he is in error via an Anti-Christ that is Islamic? Of course because the bible never says that (because it tells us in scripture where he is from), but I wouldn't have even used that word error, the only reason I used it was because it seems rather obvious, he doesn't want to debate it nor hear anything else, so it would be a waste of time for me to go over why I disagree again, thus I just stated my job is to showcase errors in scriptural understandings as a preacher of over 35 years, in everything, not just in his understandings, but in all things, it is my job to promote proper doctrine Paul says Jesus commands us to do that. The Galatians were promoting works via observing the Laws and Paul scolded them, "Who has bewitched you". So, it is indeed my job to overcome erroneous doctrine, but I do usually finesse it by just pointing out the scriptures that show otherwise, I don't try and point out to a person he is in error openly before others in one short rebuff, that is unless they refuse to even listen to the arguments against their understandings, then why go through the process of explaining these understandings of mine that differ with his at all if he's just not interested in even reading anyone else opine. It is very obvious he is using the "call me" as a ruse not to debate his video. Just say that, or better yet don't even reply to another persons reply if you just don't have time. So, even after he did that on his other post, I gave him one more shot via the above post, he doesn't want to debate anything, that is very clear. And that's OK. I will just not view his videos anymore. God Bless.
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 29, 2021 12:09:30 GMT -6
schooldad3 & rondonmonson - wonder if you would each consider the other position rather than considering the position to be wrong which leads to bickering and infighting? Having had some interaction with each of you, I am persuaded that you both love Jesus and desire to serve Him. Since we all consider One Master, please do treat one another as Natalie indicates with kindness, gentleness, respect, humility before our Creator. You are both heavily studied in respective areas, this is obvious. While these studies are far beyond my own, I would not be adding to the conversation if I pose my thoughts, so I will limit to this (in addition to the above) - is it possible for both stances to be partially correct & partially incorrect simultaneously? Since the Byzantine empire was a leg of the Roman Empire can the two be synonymous, interchangeable, or combined? I can discuss or debate anything with him Mike, but I do get the sense he doesn't really want to. Moving on to your question/observation. God gives us riddles that can always go in multi directions Mike, which is why we must follow God's ways for us to study the bible. Here a little, there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept as Isaiah 28:10 shows us. So, as pertaining to that point we have to take in more than the Dan. chapters 2 and 7 pictures we get and more than the Dan. 7:7-8 picture that tells us that Little Horn will arise out of the 10 kings that arise out of the old Fourth Beast. Even all those passages doesn't really clarify where he is from. It is very probably Europe via all of this biblical info, but as you say Rome had a Western and Eastern portion of the kingdom, even though the real powerbase started and was based in Rome. So one should probably lean to that power base, but even then there is still a lingering doubt. Thus one must ADD IN more scripture, with the above practice of the here a little there a little concept being used. This is where the Holy Spirit one day 5-6 years ago gave me a shock, we can know exactly where he is from via the scriptures, (my thoughts were like everyone else's for 30 years, we can't know exactly where this Anti-Christ is from). But alas, I saw it and marveled at the simplicity of this prophecy seen in Dan. 8:9. God gives us every king in Daniel 11 for a specific reason, thus when he gets to Antiochus Epiphanes he foretells via a SHADOW of things to come just what the future Anti-Christ will look and act like in verses 21-34-35, then he shows us the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45 and who he will eventually conquer. But back in Daniel 8:9 we get a simple Four Way Directional box and a story of the inter-nation battle of these four generals/kingdoms within Greece's power struggles. So, this has nothing to do with other nations which they may have conquered, but only the battles between themselves via Dan. 11, thus in Dan. 8:9 we are given the Little Horns direction of conquest in this same "four way directional box". He conquers towards the East, towards the South and towards Israel, thus via this four way directional box, the Anti-Christ can only come out of the Northwest portion of this four way directional box, because of the directions in which he waxes great towards or conquers towards. Thus he has to be from the Greece portion of the kingdom, and all Greeks as we speak are in the European Union, thus if a Greek man comes to power it must be through the ultimate power of the 10 kings (ALL Europe) of the E.U. not and it can't be from anywhere else, because of Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 7:7-8. So, when you combine Dan. 7:7-8 with Dan. 8:9 you therefore have an answer that can only be one thing, a man who is born in Greece, who must come to power amongst the 10 (complete Europe) as Dan. 7:7-8 says. Thus he can only come out of Europe unless somehow Greece decides to join a new nation made of of nations elsewhere, I don't see that happening this late, the Rapture is nigh as we speak via all the signs we now see, some may see the Trib coming first then the Rapture, but either way its still close via all the signs we are now seeing. I think the Greco-Roman kingdom spoken of in olden times in that way is a sorta clue as to the end time Anti-Christ, he will also be Greco-Roman (Europe) in nature via being born in one and arising to power in the other. I had never contemplated the Greco-Roman aspect until the other day, they both ruled in unison, the Anti-Christ will arise out of BOTH, its kind of telling tbh. As I say, I would still discuss this with schooldad, but I don't really think he wants to discuss it tbh. God Bless
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Post by boraddict on Nov 29, 2021 21:24:16 GMT -6
I think schooldad3 , is into teaching a classroom kind of stuff and not into debate. So I can only sit at the feet of this highly educated man to learn his take on things. Some of it I keep and some I do not. However, debate is not the answer in dealing with schooldad3 ; just question and answer. An old friend of mine who passed in 2018 would clarify to me that he was not interested in what I had to say but that I was to learn from his work. This guy was sharp at 80 something years old and so I did as he said and learned stuff. I have over the years found several errors in his work but that is only my opinion. I once found an 1880 something RLDS Bible at a yard sell for 25 cents and sent it to him only to find later that it was worth $700.00. It was their Joseph Smith translation that the LDS did not have access to or something like that. But my friend was into that area of analysis. Interestingly, it was the only book in the yard sell and it was for him. He was into Hebrew linguistics and very good IMO. Although, I was visiting with one of his contemporary's that told me he was a plagiarist of one of his books. I don't think so but they knew each other and not close friends. Both men were absolutely brilliant.
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Post by socalexile on Nov 30, 2021 6:35:16 GMT -6
...he doesn't want to debate his ideas, he wants to spread his understandings without pushback. When he gets pushback he seems to get "semi offended"... God Bless. This has been my experience interacting with him as well.
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Post by socalexile on Nov 30, 2021 7:16:13 GMT -6
I think schooldad3 , is into teaching a classroom kind of stuff and not into debate. That's not going to happen on the internet, or even in a classroom for that matter. If you don't have engagement with a dialogue then even those in a classroom will only warm a seat and do the bare minimum to pass rather than lose their financial investment. On the internet the investment is only time, and if someone who wants to be a teacher won't spend time on discussion then I'm not going to waste my time either - especially when they post stuff on a discussion board and browbeat others when they discuss. We are all grown adults and he must earn our attention rather than expect it out of hand like we're his kids or slaves. Be careful about Fauci syndrome where someone thinks his opinion is unquestionable as if it comes from God Himself (John Calvin thought the same) rather than just being something from the heart of a man that, "as iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17
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Post by yardstick on Nov 30, 2021 19:51:55 GMT -6
schooldad3 , rondonmonson , You both think the other is wrong, but you must remember to be kind. You are brothers in Christ and witnesses for Him. and Ron isn't totally wrong about the phone thing. I wouldn't give my number out online and wouldn't feel comfortable calling someone I met online. Anyone on line can pretend to be whoever they want. You would hope that on a site like Unsealed people would be genuine, but who knows who is out there reading along? And this is a discussion board. We should be able to share and discuss our opinions, even expecting pushback because we all have different opinions on how prophecy will play out. Sometimes we have to give further support for our position and sometimes we have to admit that we may be wrong. Some may take things to private messaging if desired, but even then we must remember to be respectful of each other. I understand your point Natalie, of course I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me, but I am willing to hear others, which is why I watched the video, he's using a ruse, trying to get people to call him, because he doesn't want to debate his ideas, he wants to spread his understandings without pushback. When he gets pushback he seems to get "semi offended", as when he called out those who do not attend Church, especially with a virus going around (I myself don't think that is a must as long as you hangout with brothers on-line like some here do). IMHO, it is still congregating together when you come together in any fashion and encourage others in Christ etc. Do I think he is in error via an Anti-Christ that is Islamic? Of course because the bible never says that (because it tells us in scripture where he is from), but I wouldn't have even used that word error, the only reason I used it was because it seems rather obvious, he doesn't want to debate it nor hear anything else, so it would be a waste of time for me to go over why I disagree again, thus I just stated my job is to showcase errors in scriptural understandings as a preacher of over 35 years, in everything, not just in his understandings, but in all things, it is my job to promote proper doctrine Paul says Jesus commands us to do that. The Galatians were promoting works via observing the Laws and Paul scolded them, "Who has bewitched you". So, it is indeed my job to overcome erroneous doctrine, but I do usually finesse it by just pointing out the scriptures that show otherwise, I don't try and point out to a person he is in error openly before others in one short rebuff, unless they refuse to even listen to the arguments against their understandings, why go through the process of explaining these understandings f mine tat differ at all if he's just not interested in even reading anyone else opine. It is very obvious he is using the "call me" as a ruse not to debate his video. Just say that, or better yet don't even reply to another persons reply if you just don't have time. So, even after he did that on his other post, I gave him one more shot via the above post, he doesn't want to debate anything, that is very clear. And that's OK. I will just not view his videos anymore. God Bless. Ron, Have you read the information regarding the roman legions that sacked Jerusalem and burned the temple? There may be secular evidence to support a Turkey/NW Iran argument for the AC geographic origin. I'll admit to having dug a lot of this up, and even used wikipedia, but knowing Erdogan's family comes from NE Turkey provides an intriguing piece of the puzzle if the above information is even close to accurate.
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Post by schooldad3 on Dec 1, 2021 0:33:37 GMT -6
"I think schooldad3 , is into teaching a classroom kind of stuff and not into debate. So I can only sit at the feet of this highly educated man to learn his take on things. Some of it I keep and some I do not. However, debate is not the answer in dealing with schooldad3; just question and answer".
Boraddict: I did not read most of the above but your statement caught my attention. Funny how Rondomonson states that I do not like push back and yet I give him a chance to talk to me directly but he still hides in the internet. Boraddict, You are correct. No one eve learns in Debate. I am a professional educator both at the middle school and High School level. In addition, I taught English in Russia and co-started a seminary in central Asia back in 1994 that still runs to this day. I have been told by many that I am the best bible teacher they have ever known and yes, I do not open topics to discussion. I am supposed to be the expert and have no room or time for discussion. I am married with 7 kids, three daughter in-laws, one grandson and run a fulltime business. In addition, I am studying at the advanced level in Hebrew from the university of Jerusalem and putting on new roof and preparing to write a book. Each video produced takes several hours of production and years of research to develope. At age 60 I have no interest in debate.
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