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Post by stormyknight on Jul 12, 2021 15:33:10 GMT -6
eliyahoo, please, brother, remember, the Spirit recognizes itself. And remember, "A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”" John 13:34-35Also, "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails." 1 Cor. 13:4-8We are not here to judge you, but to welcome another brother. We wait for the fullness of the Gentiles as it seems when that is finally reached, our blessed hope will be realized. Just make sure you test all things. "Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil." 1 Thess. 5:16-22We are commanded to test things, so please, don't be offended.
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Post by boraddict on Jul 12, 2021 19:30:25 GMT -6
eliyahoo , I live in Idaho and have never spoken to anyone on this site except as we are writing to each other right now. So it is all out in the open for everyone to see except on rare occasions that a personal message is given to someone. So everything that I am saying to you is in the open and no personal messages from me or to me has been sent in the past few weeks. There was some communication between myself and Natalie some time ago, perhaps a month, but nothing recently. So out in the open I can say to you that I think you are a friendly guy that loves the Lord, and I hope to be your friend. One friend among many that I have made here at unsealed is venge and I love his take on the scriptures. He and I have had our share of debates and I have had several debates with several people at this site. To me it is fun and engaging since no one else will put up with my theories and ideas on scripture. I have been kicked off two sites, and the first was because I dared to question the holy grail Denver Snuffer's take on the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants wherein he made several incorrect assertions. The other was that I dared to question Joseph Smith's elopement with Emma Hale (?) wherein Joseph became despised by Emma's father for taking his daughter from him (I guess). So here at Unsealed there is a forgiving nature that I love; we can consider things in scripture. We can debate those things and then reflect back upon our conversations. We grow from our interactions with each other and provide comfort to one another during this time of pre-tribulation. We strengthen one another and we love one another; and we love you. So please be our friend. Remember, this is a tough group of saints that are into scripture. If you want to grow then this is the place to be.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 13, 2021 18:28:30 GMT -6
eliyahoo , I live in Idaho and have never spoken to anyone on this site except as we are writing to each other right now. So it is all out in the open for everyone to see except on rare occasions that a personal message is given to someone. So everything that I am saying to you is in the open and no personal messages from me or to me has been sent in the past few weeks. There was some communication between myself and Natalie some time ago, perhaps a month, but nothing recently. So out in the open I can say to you that I think you are a friendly guy that loves the Lord, and I hope to be your friend. One friend among many that I have made here at unsealed is venge and I love his take on the scriptures. He and I have had our share of debates and I have had several debates with several people at this site. To me it is fun and engaging since no one else will put up with my theories and ideas on scripture. I have been kicked off two sites, and the first was because I dared to question the holy grail Denver Snuffer's take on the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants wherein he made several incorrect assertions. The other was that I dared to question Joseph Smith's elopement with Emma Hale (?) wherein Joseph became despised by Emma's father for taking his daughter from him (I guess). So here at Unsealed there is a forgiving nature that I love; we can consider things in scripture. We can debate those things and then reflect back upon our conversations. We grow from our interactions with each other and provide comfort to one another during this time of pre-tribulation. We strengthen one another and we love one another; and we love you. So please be our friend. Remember, this is a tough group of saints that are into scripture. If you want to grow then this is the place to be. Well Said. |
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servantofthelord
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 19, 2021 15:11:57 GMT -6
eliyahoo, Natalie, boraddict, yardstick, boymaker3, stormyknight, Our Lord say's blessed is the peacemaker. So, despite my inclination to stay out of this discussion, I will try to humbly point a few things out. As one who has been on both the recieving end and the giving end of a rebuke/correction, I tend to now see both sides with a new perspective. First off, I'd like to just point out that anyone, like myself, who just browses eliyahoo's post, can see that he has read the scriptures at the very least, since he quotes several within his post. Additionally, if we give each other at least a credit for having a basic knowledge of scripture, unless obviously shown to be otherwise, we do each other a great service in unity. I should state that I haven't completely read all the postings by eliyaoo, or watched the linked videos. So, I have no comment on them, for or against. I would like to commend both Boraddict and Natalie, for the way they handled this entire posting. I also recognize that eliyahoo seems a bit sensitive. But I give him lattitude in the knowledge that anyone who identifies themselves as a prophet, unfortunately, usually gets verbally attacked as a general rule, just about anywhere they post.(not specifically here) Our tendencies are to reject first, examine after. Understandable, but not exactly ver Christian like at times. I'm going to cut and paste a couple comments from this thread and make a few observations. You may take them in the spirit of help, as they are intended, ot ignore them, as you wish. yardstick- I redacted your 'personal information' as it is not a good idea to put 'personal information' in a public forum. However, anyone who wishes to message you and converse with you there is okay. That includes sharing personal information like email addresses. Be advised that your perspective may be challenged on this board as we are all here looking for an explanation of Truth to the matters you discuss.You should also be advised that false prophets are not looked upon kindly by the Lord. Tread carefully. I advise caution when self-proclaiming as a prophet of God.'In the mouth of two or three shall a thing be established' (2 Corinthians 13:1, Matthew 18:16, paraphrased; derived from Deuteronomy 17:6) Welcome to the board
Advising someone that they will be challenged, have to explain their truth, that false prophets are looked on unkindly by the Lord, to tread carefully and use caution if they are identifying as a prophet, definitely does not convey the welcome which is proclaimed immediately after. If someone exhibits knowledge of scripture in their posting, as eliyahoo did, why would we think they are oblivious to what the Lord says about prophets? Particularly if they have identified as one? Also, including "all here" in the statement is automatically creating an "us" and "you" environment, which is not very welcoming. I'd recommend that stating or overstating the obvious, is not needed unless the purpose is to drive a point home, which this certainly does. But is that point in keeping with a friendly welcome?boymaker3
Welcome to the board.
Not to be overly critical, but please understand, just as in ye days of olde, people today claim to hear God, to have dreams, revelations, etc. Posts like yours are extremely common and very much something I avoid reading.When I say they are common, I am being honest. I imagine these people up all night long, covered in sweat and spilt Red Bull, furiously trying to exceed the imitations of their Logos software and caffeine. Often, they join a board as a newbie and then dropping all of their theories onto a poor, unsuspecting community, then speaking with authority as someone personally connected to God.And that's what you just did.Have a great weekend.
I'll point out that you first welcomed, then said you wren't going to be overly critical, then asked for understanding. You followed this by calling his post common and something you avoid. These things are contrary to a friendly welcome. You further claim to be honest, then you make an incredibly dishonest description of a prophet, associating all who claim to be one as being of "one" variety. Then you elaborate on how predatory they are and that they think they have a personal connection to God. Finally accusing this person of doing just that. (which at least I hope, was only in reference to the very last part) I see very little of the understanding you are asking for given to the person you address here and quite a bit of the being overly critical, which you started off saying you weren't doing. As to having a personal connection to God. I thought this was exactly what the Holy Spirit gives us all. The comment is capped with "have a great weekend", which after the context of the comments, would seem at least on it's face as a sarcastic comment in relation to the prior statement. I honestly don't see or feel much of any welcome or even unity in this entire comment. At best, it is a series of very poorly chosen words, which contradict each other throughout. Perhaps try to add more love and mutual respect, and less personal commentary on individuals you don't personally know? stormynight-Jesus taught us time and again, "Do not be deceived." and also that in the time of the end there would be false prophets saying 'lo here is the Christ'. etc. I'm not accusing you, eliyahoo, of being false, but that all of us must be careful of being deceived because, now more than ever in all of time, is when Satan goes out seeking whom he may devour. So, our apprehension is justified when someone comes on here and proclaims themselves to be a prophet of God.
May the peace and truth of God be with you and all who come here seeking the Lord Jesus Christ.
Since pretty much anyone that claims to be or has read much of any scripture, knows what a false prophet is, and what is said about them, continuously stating this and warnings and then justifying it, is dedicating a lot of efforts into something we all should assume each other knows, unless stated otherwise. The continues use of "us" and "our", opposite of "you", does not unite and include the person, but rather sets them apart. Since eliyahoo himself identified as a prophet, using "someone proclaims", as if you are speaking of other people, rather than just saying "you", also separates and is much more divisive in language than inclusive. Though of the three comments I pasted here, this is the least in that nature. However, if all three had taken the lead of Natalie and Boraddict's language, perhaps you would be expressing more percieved welcome and get a better response. Again, just making a few points and not seeking to slander or pick on anyone. But can certainly see how this individual could feel that way based on reading replies. We meet anger with love and it diffuses the anger. IMHO
God Bless!
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Post by mike on Jul 26, 2021 7:01:45 GMT -6
servantofthelord - I think I understand what you are trying to convey in your response to other members. I would offer you a perspective I hope and eliyahoo would consider. stormyknight, boraddict, yardstick, me and you are sitting around a table in your yard, or a park, enjoying a meal (perhaps), coffee, etc. and in discussion of the events we see taking place in the world and the hope we hold dearly in the soon return of the Lord Jesus. Now Stick, Bora, Stormy and I have been friends for several years at this point, and you are a recently new addition to the table. As we are talking, catching up and discussing our observations, in walks eliyahoo. None of us at the table have ever met this individual. His first introduction to the group discussion is "Hey everybody I'm a prophet of God and you all need to listen up to what I have to say"...Well that is quite the introduction, not one I've heard of since John the baptist. Obviously I'm a bit kidding as it happens here more often than I would care to talk about. However everyone at the table indulges listening to eliyahoo, however when those at the table begin to respond, offense is taken because those responding with questions are not simply agreeing with what was said by the newcomer. The newcomer gets even more upset when the things posed are questioned by the people eliyahoo has taken zero interest in getting to know and says theres an agenda and the hearts of the people at the table are not right, then exits and doesnt come back again to further support what is being said as "God said so" Wow! Point being - eliyahoo came on the board with one agenda "listen to me, I am right about this cuz God said so". As a close knit group we often have very similar concerns when someone says "the Lord told me"...Have I told you of the person who claimed the Lord told him there would be a 10.0 earthquake back in 2017? This person was sooooooo convinced that the post made was permitted however with the caveat that if it wasnt correct it would be locked or deleted (I forget). The poster agreed and committed to never come back to post again as if this didnt happen the message was false and what he believed he was told was wrong and he wasnt hearing from the Lord. Do you remember that 10.0 quake of the coast of CA in 2017? Me either! You are correct - when someone says "God told me" this or that f course some are highly skeptical. How many more Harold Campings do we need? As Stormy cautioned us to what Christ said about many false Christs coming into the world, was his warning that of one that was not warranted? Perhaps some of the previous history on this site alone would help newer members and guests see things from that perspective. Also please consider that there are hundreds of guests that visit this site everyday. None of us know who they are but any one of those could read the posts by eliyahoo and consider them or place faith in them, but be lead astray.
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servantofthelord
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 26, 2021 8:52:09 GMT -6
servantofthelord - I think I understand what you are trying to convey in your response to other members. I would offer you a perspective I hope and eliyahoo would consider. stormyknight , boraddict , yardstick , me and you are sitting around a table in your yard, or a park, enjoying a meal (perhaps), coffee, etc. and in discussion of the events we see taking place in the world and the hope we hold dearly in the soon return of the Lord Jesus. Now Stick, Bora, Stormy and I have been friends for several years at this point, and you are a recently new addition to the table. As we are talking, catching up and discussing our observations, in walks eliyahoo. None of us at the table have ever met this individual. His first introduction to the group discussion is "Hey everybody I'm a prophet of God and you all need to listen up to what I have to say"...Well that is quite the introduction, not one I've heard of since John the baptist. Obviously I'm a bit kidding as it happens here more often than I would care to talk about. However everyone at the table indulges listening to eliyahoo, however when those at the table begin to respond, offense is taken because those responding with questions are not simply agreeing with what was said by the newcomer. The newcomer gets even more upset when the things posed are questioned by the people eliyahoo has taken zero interest in getting to know and says theres an agenda and the hearts of the people at the table are not right, then exits and doesnt come back again to further support what is being said as "God said so" Wow! Point being - eliyahoo came on the board with one agenda "listen to me, I am right about this cuz God said so". As a close knit group we often have very similar concerns when someone says "the Lord told me"...Have I told you of the person who claimed the Lord told him there would be a 10.0 earthquake back in 2017? This person was sooooooo convinced that the post made was permitted however with the caveat that if it wasnt correct it would be locked or deleted (I forget). The poster agreed and committed to never come back to post again as if this didnt happen the message was false and what he believed he was told was wrong and he wasnt hearing from the Lord. Do you remember that 10.0 quake of the coast of CA in 2017? Me either! You are correct - when someone says "God told me" this or that f course some are highly skeptical. How many more Harold Campings do we need? As Stormy cautioned us to what Christ said about many false Christs coming into the world, was his warning that of one that was not warranted? Perhaps some of the previous history on this site alone would help newer members and guests see things from that perspective. Also please consider that there are hundreds of guests that visit this site everyday. None of us know who they are but any one of those could read the posts by eliyahoo and consider them or place faith in them, but be lead astray. I don't disagree with your position stated here, or even the healthy skepticism. I just feel there is a way to be welcoming and a way to make someone feel "outside". The difference is usually language/words. Since we don't get to see one another's physical reactions and body languages, the words we choose convey more weight in a forum like this. Some instill an us and them mentality, some an inclusive one. Nobody is perfect, and moderating is rather thankless, I empathize! But if multiple people express the us and them languages, it "feels", from the outside, like your not being questioned, but ganged up on. This stifles the desire to share. There is unfortunately always going to be those that just want "to hear themselves talk". But I'd encourage people to simply ignore them, if they think this is the case, rather than head on "reminders" and vocabulary that can seem harsh to the hearer. It's a tricky thing, no real "correct" way to do things. I'm not seeking to admonish the admonishers, as much to point out word choice, having been on both ends, in different situations. If someone is used to being confronted, whether right or wrong, they will be gunshy in commenting on questions, expecting to be ganged up on, even seeing it when it may not be meant. So using this language just confirms in their mind your intent and they close down and either ignore or lash out. It's not anyones fault really just the way things work. But being more aware of the words you use, can prevent this. That's all I'm suggesting. |
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